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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:43 AM
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Who are the Republicans?
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 01:42 AM by joemurphy
I've thought about it some and here's what I think:

1. The rich. They basically own this country. The top 4 or 5% own around 45% of the wealth. They vote Republican because it's in their
economic interest to do so. Republican governments make them richer.
They like it when unions are castrated, free trade lets them do what they want (unless things go south -- then they get subsidies), and they really like having their taxes cut. Most didn't do much to get their money. Mostly they inherited it. But they take it for granted. Unfortunately, they are numerically few and need the votes of others to win elections. This requires distasteful compromises and strange bedfellows. Hence they throw in with these others to continue to run things:

2. The fundies. These worry about permissiveness and the irreverence of the Democrats. Abortion genuinely troubles many of them. They see homosexuals as perverts. They aren't deep thinkers. They are uncomfortable with change and find their answers to most of their problems in one passage or another of the Christian Bible. A multicultural society worries the hell out of them. Jews, Blacks, and Muslims are strange, foreign, and troubling. These people want certainty in a world that isn't black and white and are, as a consequence, never really happy. They fortify themselves in their home and family. These are the people that home-school their kids. The rich, who really run the Republican party, throw the fundies an occasional bone -- a pro-life Supreme Court appointee, an anti flag-burning amendment, a proposed Constitutional amendment allowing prayer in the public schools. But they never really let them run things because the rich don't really get on with them either. John Ashcroft was something of a joke even within his own party. Having the fundies around doesn't worry the rich much because they know that outside of the Republican party the fundies have nowhere else to go.

3. The libertarians. This is a strange group of people espousing laissez-faire economics and social permissivism. The economic side, however, is more important to them than the social side. They think that government is a bad thing, the only thing that is keeping them from climbing to the top. Lots of them are small businessmen. They all think they can be rich if government would only get off their back. They see themselves as intellectuals and rugged individualists. They claim they want to just be left alone and free to do what is necessary to maximize their potential. They are extremely naive about what kind of a world their philosophy would lead to. Most forget the reasons we have the Fed, the FDIC, Social Security, and an FDA. These guys, strangely, would legalize heroin and prostitution but ally themselves to rednecks and fundies. They like guns. Go figure.

4. The Anti-Liberals. This is the biggest group of Republican voters in my opinion. They are usually white, mostly but not always male, and their common denominator is an inability to empathize with anyone other than themselves. These are the kind of people that see affirmative action as reverse discrimination. If they've never been hungry or homeless, they simply can't relate to those that are. They see themselves as hard-working and the poor as lazy. They dislike blacks, Hispanics, other ethnicities, and gays because they have never been any of these things, can't relate to them and don't really want to understand them. They don't like people that are smarter than them because they've never been smart themselves. They are thus anti-intellectual because they can't relate to something they've never been or could ever be. They're the kind of people that called Adlai Stevenson an egghead and voted for Eisenhower. They like Bush because he's like them -- the kind of guy you could have a beer with. They don't read much and they revel in their own milieu --NASCAR, Fox News, and the latest missing white woman. They aren't often rich but would like to be and think they can be, chiefly by dint of their own effort. This group REALLY likes guns. They see Democrats as naive, lacking common sense, and as being stupidly tender-hearted. They love Rush Limbaugh.

5. The Supremacists. These are people that see themselves as superior to the unwashed masses that they perceive populate the Democratic party. They're the sort that think blacks are mentally inferior and Hispanics fit only for menial labor. Some are sort of effete racists sitting in ivory towers. Others are the sort that think the neighborhood is falling apart if a black family moves in. Still others fly the confederate flag and see themselves as the heirs of the old South. The effete shade off into the rednecks and the bigots. Lots of them are in the South or rural areas. The latter like guns too.

These, in my opinion, are the hard-core, mainstream Republicans. These are the 30%-40% of the country that would vote for Bush come hell or high water, in good times or bad no matter how badly he screws up. They're the enemy -- the ones that run things now.

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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:48 AM
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1. You hit the nail on the head.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:52 AM
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2. I would add one, sort of a combination of 3 & 5
The U.S. Exceptionalists, who believe that the U.S. is unlike every other nation and was created by God for a special purpose. They believe that, like Israel, Americans are a chosen people in the eyes of God, chosen to show the way to the benighted godless heathen of other lands.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:57 AM
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3. I'd think they are a subgroup of the Fundies.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:03 AM
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7. They believe religion is a tool to be used to keep the masses
in line. That's part of their Machiavellian/Straussian philosophy. They themselves are not religious. They might say they are, but that's because deception is also part of their philosophy.

Nor are the neocons part of "the rich". They may be rich, and their agenda coincides for a large part with that of the rich, but while the rich just want to get richer still, the neocons actually want total global domination.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:24 AM
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5. These are the Neocons.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 01:37 AM by joemurphy
The Perles,Wolfowitzes, and Cheneys. They are a little cabal that in my opinion is part of #1. They're the people with the time and money to fund think tanks. They're what passes for an intelligentsia in the Republican party now.

There is another group too -- the old mainline conservatives that dislike them but don't voice their opposition much. The latter are non-interventionist and isolationist. They like tariffs, low taxes, and are anti-immigrant. Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs are their kinds of guys. Reagan was an odd mix of both. Both groups see Reagan as their intellectual forbear. This is something of a misnomer, because there was never very much that was intellectual about Ronald Reagan
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:01 AM
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4. A cult of something but I I don't know what to name them..
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 01:02 AM by DanCa
They worship a god of war riches and madness. Jesus Christ was a god of peace philanthropy, and reason
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:25 AM
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6. Then there is the apathetic Republicans
who just vote party line out of habit.

Tons of Democrats and Republicans have no clue what's really going on, unfortunately our society indirectly promotes apathy.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:10 AM
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8. I would like to add one, the decisive one
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 05:14 AM by joeprogressive
The anti-liberal wife. They find themselves spewing the Limbaugh/Hannity talking points because they heard their husbands do the same.

They are upper middle class women that have bought into the idea that they will get to shop more, and drive the the latest SUV if they vote like their husbands do. Half are complete whores because they have sold out many of their core beliefs for a lie. They have sold out the present and future welfare of their children so they can live in material bliss. The other half were aways prone to be sheep. They went to college for one purpose: find a man so they could marry, move to suburbia and have 2.3 kids. They have never read a paper and get all their info and marching orders from the man that provides for them.

The idealistic ones used to vote dem and we have lost many because they value material possession over anything else or they actually believe Bush makes them safer. Either way, they have won the debate through deception. This is the one group we can get back. When we can convince them that A) economically they are better off with dems in office and B) Their children will have a much brighter future with dems in office

I think the supremacists are a much lower % than you stated, lets say 10% and the anti-liberal wife makes up 20% or so. Out of all the groups, I think the idealist/progressive, wife of the anti-liberal will be the voter we get back when this whole republican experiment destroys our way of life.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:43 AM
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9. now to do market research -like affairs
Karl Rove did it (fairly) why don't we?
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wmills551 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:30 AM
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10. wow!
Can I use your categories, I have some co-workers who voted for Bush in 2004 , but I think I can get them to consider changing in 2008 with the valuable insights you have provided. I will just walk right up to them and say; "Hi there, you shallow, naive, racist dumb fucks, you are my enemy, will you consider voting democrat".
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:02 AM
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16. I don't think you'll convince any of the types I listed of anything
I think I said in my posting that the people I categorized were what I thought were the hard core Republican voting bloc.

If you disagree with me (and I think you obviously do), then tell me what sort of people you think your Republican friends are. What made them vote for Bush? What makes them Republican?

What do you think could be done that could make them vote Democratic?

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:43 AM
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11. Great post. nt
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:41 AM
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12. What about the corporatists?
How about the people who are considered wealthy by any standard, but who still fall below that 4%-5% you cited, and don't own as much inherited wealth as the top 1%-4%.

In other words, people who are pro-business to keep themselves on top...even though they aren't at the VERY top.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:44 AM
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13. Group #2 scares me the most....
Because they are the biggest threat to turning this country into a complete theocracy.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:47 AM
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14. I actually question the Supremacist label....
not the type - but the label...because from what i understand - the true white supremacists (aryans, neo-nazis and the like) want Bush impeached as much as we do, except they want him impeached because they think Bush has handed control over to the Jews.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:55 AM
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15. Supremacist is probably too strong
but nothing better came to mind. Heirarchicals?
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:17 PM
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21. the Archie Bunkers! nt
nt
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:30 PM
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22. Yeah. I know a lot like that
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:10 AM
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17. Libertarians are NOT republicans
libertarians hate Bush. Many republicans like to claim they are libertarians but they are Limbiciles.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:30 AM
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18. There are two very different factions of libertarians from
what I understand. The O'Reilly types and the Bill Maher types. It is easy to distinguish the liberals from the conservatives if you drop the label.
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:40 AM
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20. O'Reilly is a libertarian?
Is that a self given label? The only times I notice him argueing for less government are either taxes or 'legislating from the bench'.
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:37 AM
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19. I kinda agree
Most libertarians I know (ok, all 5 of them), do not like Bush at all. They constantly complain about him. However, 3 of them voted for him anyway in 2004.

Why? As Joemurphy said, "The economic side, however, is more important to them than the social side." I'd listen to em talk about Badnarik, but when it came time to vote...

I think Libertarians vote republican for the same reason some Greens vote Democrat. They might not completely agree, but their own candidate has zero chance of winning so they vote for who they think is the lesser of two evils.

As one of my friends put it, "It's easier to break laws in your bedroom than in your 1040."
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:50 PM
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23. Not all Republicans are idiots
but all idiots are Republicans...is that how it goes?
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:23 PM
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28. On rereading it, I sort of agree with you. That's why I
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 02:27 PM by joemurphy
revised my posting in a later thread. Of course, the rich and business types aren't idiots. Voting Republican makes perfect economic sense for them. As to the others I've categorized, well, I don't see the point of their being Republicans really.

The mainline wealthy and business-oriented Republicans aren't really going to do much for the Fundies, the Libertarians (except economically maybe) or the Anti-Liberals. Howard Dean has pointed out that the stereotypical pickup driving, Confederate flag-waving, good-old-boy isn't going to benefit by Republican policies. So, honestly, in their cases, I don't think these groups are particularly intelligent in being Republican.

But do the Republicans have a monopoly on idiocy? No. I don't think that. But yes, I do think a shitload of Republicans are idiots in their voting preferences.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:50 PM
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24. Another group - because I/my parents/my neighbors have always been...
they vote out of habit and perhaps peer pressure. They have always identified themselves as a Republcian, they like what it connotates: "I'm a Republican therefore I am upper class, etc."
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:17 PM
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27. Or in the case of some rural Pennsylvanians I met
A republican came by 60-70 years ago and fixed the grinding poverty here.

Regardless of the area being left to rot...they're still voting that way out of their grandfathers' gratitude. Just sad.
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aspberger Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:50 PM
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25. Very Very Good Post
n/t
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:58 PM
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26. Best... POST... EVER!!!!
Bravo

:yourock:
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evolved Anarchopunk Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:42 PM
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29. great post ! just got my printer busy on it...
its gonna be a while. Thank you.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 04:55 PM
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30. You could split this up into subcategories
It would be even more interesting!
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