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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:42 PM
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We have REALLY been had this time .... and we don't even know it
Well ...... maybe ........

After watching the wacko right vilify idiot son over this nomination of Miers, a very scary thought occurred to me.

It will come out in the hearings that she is somehow or another kinda sorta maybe could somehow favor upholding Rowe. This will be orchestrated. The moment will *not* be candid.

Fast forward to the 06 House races where we actually have a chance to make serious gains or - dare I say it? - win a hair's breadth majority.

Now flashback to that orchestrated moment.

Pro choice?

Bush is a lame duck with no coattails. **THIS** will be the rallying point.

The red meat efungelicals will be out in the streets with torches and pitchforks ... not our side. They will be the ones all fired up and out for blood. Republican candidates can then run against us ..... ***and*** ..... bush.

Clever, huh?

And by the way ... that pro choice thing ... she was just kiddin'.

And by, by the way ...... the whole charade ... the outrage we see from the right today? Also choreographed.

What am I bid for these two one-way tickets to Schipol Airport in Holland?
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:51 PM
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1. Sure it is orchestrated. Everything is by design.
What we want to know is who/what is the power that is above the USG. Who tells *, Frist and Delay what their policies are?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:03 PM
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2. Rich guys ... lots of super rich guys
Sciafe ... that ilk .... Heritage Foundation ....
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:07 PM
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3. While I don't trust the Bush Admin at all
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 08:08 PM by TayTay
and believe they have only their own interests at heart and not that of the country at large, I'm not with ya on this one. Sometimes a cigar is indeed just a cigar.

I thin the Bushies went with this woman because they are up to their armpits in trouble and punted. They went with a loyalist and are trusting that she has been around them long enough to have absorbed all the evil Bushies vibes and will vote accordingly. I think the Admin is so caught up in post-Katrina damage control and fear of the Fitzgerald investigation and possible indictments against top Admin people that they just threw Miers out there and trusted that she will be a lapdog.

There are a number of Rethug Senators who can jump ship on a nomination without fear of real reprisal due to Bush's slipping poll numbers. I think they lacked the clout to propel a really onerous Rethug through the Senate.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:19 PM
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4. All that may or may not be true ... but to me the real danger appears ....
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 08:20 PM by Husb2Sparkly
.... to be the firing up of the base come 06. We **must** make gains in the House come 06. Also in the Senate, but the House is the big prize.

We know it and they know it. This, if a calculation, could well be the cause celebe they need.

edit/spelling
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:49 PM
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8. Maybe, but she won't be on the Court until Dec., at the earliest
There are two abortion cases that cme up in Nov. She won't be on the court to rule on them. (It is doubtful that hearing will finish by then. It took two months to get the Roberts hearings going, it should be about the same if not longer for Miers.)

The Right has telegraphed their big issue for '06 already: immigration reform. They want to tag Democrats as soft on immigration reform. They want to take us out on the jobs and economics issues by saying that America would be fine and there would be plenty of jobs if we (Dems) would just stop coddling illegal immigrants and letting them on welfare and letting them bring down wages by taking our jobs. (They were going to push this heavy in African-American districts and say the Dems sell out AA's by pitting AA's against immigrants for jobs. Katrina has taken some of the wind out their sails on that strategy.)

This issue sells with working-class Repub voters. It conveniently gives Rethugs an out for bad economic times, drives yet another wedge between Dems and thier natural voting blocks and allows for another Big Lie that shifts responsbility for illegal immigration to the Dems. (There are no reform laws that offer up big penalties and jail time for employers caught employing illegals. That would piss off the Rethug base. Rove can't have that. So he is subtly implying that Dems are wrecking economic havoc by being lax on immigration law in order to get more illegal voters. It plays like all their strategies, right into fear and xenophobia.)
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:22 PM
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5. Just how large do you actually think the pitch fork, torch carrying
fundaholic base actually is?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:35 PM
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6. If it adds even two points to some races, it matters a lot
The races will all be very close. Every little bit matters.

Actually, I think the fundie base is closer to 20%.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:19 PM
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12. I know that I read, somewhere, a couple of years ago
that the fundie base makes up about 43 percent of the Republican party.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:13 AM
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14. Which would be about 20% of the electorate
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whalerider55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:47 PM
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7. generally, i tend to look
askance at the tinfoil rumblings...

but even paranoid people get followed occasionally.

whalerider
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:06 PM
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9. Maybe it is indeed a way for them to distance themselves from Chimpy
Or, maybe when I'm out of town and away from you too long, you grow wild hairs and start thinking funny. :P

(Course, I guess clowns always think funny, but sometimes your wild hairs need some grooming.)
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:09 PM
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10. Wild hair ... or
... wild hare. That would be you.

:hug:
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DaveColorado Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:12 PM
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11. Corporate lobbyists run the government
That's where the guys in washington get their instructions from - many dems included.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:29 PM
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13. The Republicans don't want to overturn Roe.
Sure the fundie part of the party does, but Republican political strategists know it would be absolute disaster for them, locking them out of northern elected offices and seriously hurting them in the west and moderate mountain states(Colorado and Nevada). It would put the Republicans in a horrible position on the state level and would bring the full force of the pro-Roe majority in this country against them.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:01 AM
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15. When asked the row vs. wade question she said tahn she preferred
to wade.
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