Am I the only one to see the TRUE Harriet Miers repuke strategy???

[The Sushi Bandit]

Here is their strategy to get this Hard Core Fundie in the SC

1. Pass the word to all your loyalists that they need to doubt her conservative credentials publicly.

2. Keep he true stripes hidden by never releasing any documents (executive privilege)

3. Make the public think she is unfairly being judged by the far right and far left (makes he look middle of the road)

4. Get the Dem senators to pity this poor nice old lady and say nice things about her. "All the trashing is coming from the right wing of the Republican Party," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said in a conference call with reporters. "I really think it's despicable what they're doing."


5. Broadcast it all over and get the public to think the same.

6. get her approved

7. Then watch her blatant FUNDIE Christian rulings with Roberts on every case

8. They WIN!

[jackthesprat]

1. Who forced Harry Reid to endorse her?

[soleft]

9. his own feelings about abortion?

[MisterLiberal]

49. GRRRRR

Someone needs to poke Reid in the shoulder and remind him there's a "D" at the beginning of his name. Not just a "D", HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF OUR LEADERS!

He should voice disapproval no matter what he personally thinks; that's his job as a leader. If he can't hack it then he needs to go back to Utah with his magic underwear!

[dsc]

58. never mind that he opposed all those judges we filibustered

never mind that he voted for the provision in the bankrupcy bill which would have forbidden abortion protesters from writing off their fines in bankrupcy. Never mind any of that.

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[tatertop]

2. I think that's it

[tritsofme]

3. I'm starting to think that she will just be another of Scalia's minions.

She will be like Thomas and just do whatever Scalia tells her to.

It will be interesting to see what Thomas and Miers do once Scalia is gone.

[progressoid]

4. That's how it looks. But since Rove doesn't seem to be running the show

it's hard to tell what's going on. Before, we could easily read whatever they did as nefarious. But, now it's hard to know what the hell is going on.

[jaded_at_best]

5. there's only one strategy behind this

ugly bitch Harriet and that closeted freak Roberts:

OVERTURN ROE VS WADE

[sallyseven]

37. There will be too big a stink if they do that

Too many people don't want that to happen. Repukes will sink and they know it. Not get elected for many years. Power over.

[jaded_at_best]

51. that's what we thought before Iraq

America was against the war, they did it anyway. You forget that Repugs don't need votes to get elected, they have Diebold.

[LiberalEsto]

6. "Please don't throw me in that briar patch,"

said B'rer Rabbit.

[Chevy]

10. If they overturn ROE

The Regugs will be either hunted down or chased out of the country and if they don`t beleive that then they are truly delusional.:spank:

[Skittles]

55. who exactly is going to do this chasing

the same folk who allowed them to illegally invade a country?

[rzemanfl]

22. I think both sides think they are the rabbit. I have said this many

times here.

[MrBenchley]

7. So tell us, who do you think Chimpy will nominate

that will be better?

[The Sushi Bandit]

13. a Video Game Dork would be better!

These Fascist, Ne-Con, Fundies must be stopped NOW

[MrBenchley]

16. So do you think a Video Game Dork is likely to be nominated?

Some of us live in the real world....

"These Fascist, Ne-Con, Fundies must be stopped NOW"
Do you stomp your feet and make faces when you type stuff like that?

[The Sushi Bandit]

21. No, I dont act like a child, but i do have a sense of Humor!

Poison is poison, diluted or not.. it can still kill

[MrBenchley]

27. So what would be your strategy to stop her....

And how would you dodge the next bullet?

[Montauk6]

8. I humbly ask the apologists here to defend this:

"Behind the scenes, a half-dozen aides to Senate Democrats — speaking on condition of anonymity to protect their jobs — admit that they are enjoying watching the GOP's right wing beat up the president. None will say whether their bosses feel the same way — or might be insincere when they heap praise on Miers and call her critics unfair."

From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_su_co/miers

[MrBenchley]

18. What needs to be defended?

The GOP is self-destructing and the Democrats are sitting around enjoying the spectacle...

You'd have to have a head of stone to jump into the fight if you're a Democrat.

[MADem]

25. Bingo, tell Mr. Benchley what he's won, Bob!!!

[MrBenchley]

28. It's a BRANDNEWCAR!! Omigawd!!

Plus RiceaRoni (the San Francisco treat) and the home game!

[Montauk6]

45. Now before you enjoy that hot rod and 'roni

I meant that for those that claim that DUers get too rough with the Senate Dems; I would like to hear WHY it's "NOT" screwed up that there are Democratic aides in fear of losing their JOBS lest they, as you so eloquently put it, "sit around enjoying the spectacle" too conspicuously.

Isn't that like me being a coach and I bench my players who high-five when the other team gets a 10-yard penalty?

See where I'm coming from?

OK, enjoy that ride!

(BTW, Mr. Benchley, I just have to tell you that "Jaws" really turned my life around, you are a modern bard, sir)

[MrBenchley]

46. Are you REALLY serious?

You really have to ask why a Senate aide who leaks to the press might be in fear of his or her job?

You really have to ask why a United States Senator might not want his aide running to the press behind his back?

"Isn't that like me being a coach and I bench my players who high-five when the other team gets a 10-yard penalty?"
In a word, no.

By the way, wrong Benchley.

[NYCGirl]

50. Is it THIS Mr. Benchley?

If so, my great admiration.

(Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread.)

[MrBenchley]

54. You got it...

I just found these folks the other day...

http://www.robertbenchley.org/

[emulatorloo]

34. let the GOP eat each other! EDITED TO ADD A WAPO ARTICLE

I am supposed to get all outraged about that?

Greasy Eddie Gillespie had a nasty strategy to play on the Dems. . .Poor thing now he has to use it on his own!!!!

fun reading here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/05/AR2005100502200.html

Conservatives Confront Bush Aides
Anger Over Nomination of Miers Boils Over During Private Meetings
By Peter Baker and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 6, 2005; Page A01

The conservative uprising against President Bush escalated yesterday as Republican activists angry over his nomination of White House counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court confronted the president's envoys during a pair of tense closed-door meetings.

A day after Bush publicly beseeched skeptical supporters to trust his judgment on Miers, a succession of prominent conservative leaders told his representatives that they did not. Over the course of several hours of sometimes testy exchanges, the dissenters complained that Miers was an unknown quantity with a thin résumé and that her selection -- Bush called her "the best person I could find" -- was a betrayal of years of struggle to move the court to the right.

At one point in the first of the two off-the-record sessions, according to several people in the room, White House adviser Ed Gillespie suggested that some of the unease about Miers "has a whiff of sexism and a whiff of elitism." Irate participants erupted and demanded that he take it back. Gillespie later said he did not mean to accuse anyone in the room but "was talking more broadly" about criticism of Miers.

[MrBenchley]

47. I am really really hoping that somebody like Crazy Tom Coburn

makes Harriet break down and cry on national TV during the hearings...

"White House adviser Ed Gillespie suggested that some of the unease about Miers "has a whiff of sexism and a whiff of elitism.""
What can you say? He knows his customers.

[ellenfl]

11. that had occurred to me, too. eom

[Liberal Veteran]

12. The question is why bother going to all that trouble?

I mean, it's not as though congress isn't a rubber stamp for the Bush administration. If they really want her in, the our democratic leadership isn't going to stand in their way, if the last few years have been any indication.

[xchrom]

15. gasp -- how can you say such a thing?!?!

[MADem]

26. Because the GOP can take this fall on their own, or with just a few

Dem votes. If the GOP decides NO WAY, they can kill her in COMMITTEE, and it never comes to the Senate Floor. Who looks obstructionist? The RULING party, who has the upper hand in committee...

[MrBenchley]

29. And don't you want to hear

Republicans ATTACKING a Republican nominee during the hearings?

I'm really hoping that Orrin Hatch or Tom Coburn can make her break down and cry on national television....

[BlueCaliDem]

35. I Think It's Just Dirty Politics...And the Dems Are Falling for...

...*'s Trojan Horse.

I read somewhere (I believe on Arianna Huffington's blog) that the Dems that had given a "yes" vote on Roberts were doing so based on a behind-the-scenes deal perhaps, with Bush, that he would nominate a "moderate" for O'Connor's seat.

Well, Miers now needs to LOOK like a moderate, and perhaps that's why you're hearing so much stink from the right-wingnuts and their friends on all the broadcast, and print media as if they're pissed about her being this so-called moderate, just to give support to the lie that she is.

This possibility was never more emphasized when Ann-the-Man Coulter appeared on Real Time last evening spewing through frothy thin lips that she wholeheartedly disagrees with Bush only on this from everything else he's done!

I believe Miers should be voted down.

I really believe she's *'s, and the angry right-wingnuts' Trojan Horse...

[The Sushi Bandit]

53. Glad you agree with my assesment

and I like the phrase "Trojan Horse" too.

[BlueCaliDem]

68. Your Assessment Is the MOST Plausible, I feel...

and I like the phrase "Trojan Horse" too.

Apparently I must've liked it more than I though--though subconsciously--that I just realized I'd typed it TWICE in my post. :shrug:

A bit redundant, but I guess I got the point through. :-)

[Enraged_Ape]

14. You know, a few days ago, I would have agreed, but not now

If this was the original game plan of the neocons (to make everyone think that Miers was liberal or centrist when she is, in fact, not), then they overplayed their hand terribly. Limbaugh, Coulter, and various other crazies continue to express their contempt for this woman and have even voiced their anger at Shrub for choosing her. They've been so strident that they've actually turned enormous numbers of Bushbots off.

I'm starting to think that Bush is really losing his connection to "the powers that be". I think he did this one on his own (to try to save his a$$ if he's ever indicted) and it's blowing up in his face.

[peekaloo]

33. Hell even Toadie Blankley on The McLaughlin Group seemed

genuinely dismayed by Bu$h's choice. It was a joy to see him squirm and actually bad mouth his meal ticket.

He also thinks she will withdraw her nomination before it goes to Committee.

I think Herr Bu$h thought his dictatortotness would stifle any criticism from his own party.

[Nay]

44. At first, I also thought she might be a Trojan horse, but now I think

she really has dismayed the fundie nutcases. They really did want a far-right fundie on the SC, and Miers looks like another Bush CYA crony appointment.

As far as what she would actually do on the SC, I have no idea. My feeling is that she will vote whichever way serves her masters, whoever that might be at the moment. This isn't terribly good for the Dems, but frankly, we are fucked no matter what. * is not going to nominate anyone reasonable.

[patricia92243]

17. How do numbers 1-5 equal number 6? n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Yeah, you're a genius..

:eyes:

[HardWorkingDem]

20. I agree with you mostly....

but don't think they necessarily passed the word to the conservatives to attack her. I think Bush has known all along how she thinks and wants others to simply go by his word but they are leery about it.

(I used to have a boss exactly like Bush - he "knew it all" and expected everyone to accept his thinking. It was like a personality disorder.)

And I strongly agree about the part of making the public think she has been attacked by the right wing and that since she has been, then of course she "can't be that bad."

But on the other hand, maybe Bush drank a little too much and had some fun with her. Has anyone else noticed that both she and Mrs Bush have that same crazy look in their eyes?

[The Sushi Bandit]

23. Picture of Bush's SC review process

[win_in_06]

24. This is diabolical. I think you're right except for #1

I don't think the word needed to be passed. The fundies are making the plan work without realizing it. They really are upset because they can't be sure of her fundiness.

#3 is good old Clintonian triangulation


Bush isn't worried about the heat he is taking now, he knows that before he leaves office his selection of Miers will be justified to the right.

Then Reid, Harkin and others will realize that they've been had.

[MADem]

30. And the reason they cannot be sure of her FUNDINESS

...is because they too, know that the MONKEY is a FAKE FUNDY. He runs to the right to get (s)elected. He is an unreformed boozehound, an AWOL cokehead, a bum...but he made a deal with the fundies: back me, and I will throw you more bones than you could get from anyone else. When you look at the shit he COULD have pulled when he was riding high in the polls, he sure didn't take advantage of his strength back then, which might lead them to believe he is all talk, little walk.

It's a real bummer when you finally wake up and see you've been conned.

[win_in_06]

31. It is hard to argue that he is not a fundie:

Faith-based stuff
Stem cell stuff
Tipping the SC to the right (Roe v Wade threatened like never before)
Proclaimed Jesus as his favorite Philosopher
Prayer meetings in the White House
Crusade vs Islam
Gay Marriage Thing

[MADem]

40. But, since STEM CELL, what has he really done?

And even with the stem cell thing, the research continues, just not at government labs with government money. All the good researchers left the government labs and went to private or state facilities, like California, which is poised to dump three billion into research. His shitty little attempt to take his ball and go home might actually have spurred other agencies to say FUCK YOU, George, California being the most mentioned in the news.

Roberts is not promising, but who knows, we have to wait and see how he rules. He could be a Scalia, or he could be a Souter...funny how not having to answer to anyone but history can affect the perspective of a thinking and well educated individual.

As for gay marriage, civil unions, and partnerships, well, there's been MORE of it since he got elected, not less. VT was the 'oddball' state, what with their civil unions, but now, marriage is authorized in MA, CT just got onboard on 1 OCT with civil unions, and even CA now has domestic partnerships. Now, if Monkey were a liberal, he'd be taking CREDIT for those changes!!! http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=21812

The CRUSADE business actually hurt him. If he had just said, DEMOCRACY AND OIL, he probably would have been better off. His crusading pissed off the fundies on the other side, and kids are coming home in boxes because of it.

I'm not saying he isn't TRYING to walk the fundy walk, and talk the fundy talk, but he seems to be weaving all over the place and slurring his words. A drunk fundy, as it were. He has been incredibly INEFFECTIVE at pushing their agenda, and it is even more surprising considering he owns the House, the Senate, and the Judiciary. You'd think he would have, and could have, done better than he has.

And the fundies are starting to get it, I suspect, and they are getting PISSED OFF: he has been a MISERABLE FAILURE in pushing THEIR AGENDA as well--and odds are, they won't get another bite at the apple anytime soon, the way things are going.

[Catchawave]

32. When does the confirmation hearing start?

Also wondering, how many federal court judges out there are pissed they were "passed over" for a crony?

I tried to understand the politics of this appointment, and even bringing diversity to the position, BUT, Ms.Harry just doesn't make any sense to me. :shrug:

[jody]

36. IMO, Miers is neither Repug nor Dem, she's supports the Corporatist agenda

See Corporatism

Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

[opihimoimoi]

38. That has been my feelings of late.......its a setup.......

We canardly trust these guys...they are not in the best interest of America...only themelves...very selfish and very arrogant/sneaky/conniving/cheating/etc

[VPStoltz]

39. My only doubt , re: #5, is that very many people really care about

who gets on the court. That Roberts was rewarded for his work on the the Bush v. Gore case before the SCOTUS didn't seem to rattle anyone. I do agree with your premise however.

[sandnsea]

41. Ann Coulter convinced me

After I watched her on Maher last night, I knew we were being had. I don't quite know the long term strategy, but there definitely is one.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

43. You guys are either

the biggest craziest bunch of conspiracy loonies I have ever come across or you are street smart and con-proof. I wish I could figure out which!

[HardWorkingDem]

48. Here it is....

I think the conservatives know exactly what is on her mind and how she will rule. I also think she is a hard right ideologue.

So what is the best way to get one like her on the Supreme Court? Let the hard right wingers attack her. It might not be a specific and planned out strategy, but I think Bush knows exactly what he is doing in trying to get her on the USSCT.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

56. My gut feeling about

her ideologies is the same. Who else BUT a major RWer would work for that administration and be one of the cronies?

It is going to be interesting. I think they'll Bork her.

[win_in_06]

57. I believe it would be too hard to organize a collective right-wing revolt

like we're seeing. I think that it is a result of them not getting Owens or Rogers Brown like they wanted.

What bothers me is if Miers gets seated and ends up being arch-conservative, Bush will have snuck two in without a fight. He'll be praised for his political savvy.

[Don1]

52. Yeah, I have seen it, too.

Except everyone's in on it.

It's kind of like how the first FEMA director that Bush appointed, Allbaugh, was confirmed 91-0.

[whatever4]

59. No you're not, I agree

And to me, the funny part of all this is how the lying faces tying to convince the liberals of her "liberal leanings" are so very good at it that they appear to be convincing the conservative public instead. They're trying to get through their underhanded truth (nudge nudge, she's as conservative as the President, views are never going to change, wink wink) to that faithful, dunderheaded crowd, but, those simple enough to have fallen for their agenda in the first place (and all along, through all this nonsense, disbelieving their own eyes and believing propaganda) are then too simple to realize their leaders are lying about her being moderate. The President and others get on the tube and try to let their flock know how it really is, with nods and winks, but their poor simple flock just doesn't get it. They don't know their own audience.

Complete with all this double-dealing mess, I think some republicans might actually vote against her, if that act convinces Democrats to vote for her. They still win, she still gets nominated. Lose a few Republican votes, in order to gain the Democratic votes, no brainer.

To me, it's amusing as hell. The neocon leaders have to keep quiet about her true antigayantiabortion agenda. They never come right out and say what she believes, which makes NO sense, because with anyone else, it wouldn't be a secret at all, it would be a selling point, something to brag about, and they WOULD brag. The more conservative, the better.

It's a ruse, make the liberals believe she's liberal by pretending she isn't conservative enough, but they can't come right out and reassure the neocon evangelical followers, who, being simple followers and not introspective, can't figure out what's going on. Hilarious.

[win_in_06]

60. But those same evangelical followers will eventually be pleased

once Miers starts making judgements from the SC.

[win_in_06]

61. Just saw on This Week that Dr. Dobson gave Rove the

"Thumbs Up" on Miers before she was nominated.

[Savannah Progressive]

62. You aren't the only one, and all the arguments that we see are

Absolute BS. A Conservative Friend at work, well maybe friend is too strong of a word, I don't trust him either, was flashing around an Ann Coulter article a few weeks ago. http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=66 is the one I think he had, showing how Judge Roberts was not what he and the other Repugs wanted.

What brought this to mind was this weeks missive from the rabid fascist B***h Coulter. Being a Supreme Court justice ought to be a mind-numbingly tedious job suitable only for super-nerds trained in legal reasoning like John Roberts.http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

I know I had to go and wash after getting those links, forgive me fellows, I wouldn't have done it but I wanted to show a pattern. First Coulter was dramatically and completely opposed to the Roberts Nomination. Considering it a sell out by the Shrub, she ranted for weeks about it. Now, she uses him as the standard for the next nominee?

About the time the hearings begin, Coulter will warm to Myers, and shortly thereafter, before the vote, Coulter will be a big fan.

Right now I can easily imagine a conference call going on between coulter, hannity, limbaugh, and perhaps even Boortz. They are working on the strategy with Rove, planning on when they will announce they have talked with Myers, and found her to be a rock ribbed Repug.

In the mean time, we are sitting back, and enjoying the show, and by the time we figure out we have been had, again, we will be watching the Supreme Court announce that only Intelligent Design is allowed to be taught in public schools, anything else is Unconstitutional. Perhaps they will decide that cruel and unusual only applies to Christians, not Muslims. Nothing is beyond the imagination when it comes to these Nazi's. Nothing is impossible when it comes to these fundies either. Heck, Coulter believes we should convert the middle east to Christianity. The Bible at bayonet point if you will. Apparently they haven't heard of the Inquisition and it's general failure to convert anyone.

[The Sushi Bandit]

67. Well said

it gives 'Intelligent Design" a whole new meaning!

[Lars39]

63. I agree with your analysis.

Stealth candidates, both Roberts and Miers.

[Cookie wookie]

64. The only "strategy" was that Bush Inc. wanted

her because she'll do whatever she's told to do and they won't have to worry about her having a sudden sense of doing what's right for the country (or the world for that matter). Her name was thrown in, and if she didn't make it he'll draw another out of the hat filled with names of those who will rule as they are told to, and who will have neither the education, intellectual skills, morals, ethics, or mental health to ever even want to do otherwise.

I find all the debate about what's the strategy and how she might or might not vote unsupported by any facts.

She has no experience as a judge and doesn't know constitutional law! She's *'s personal attorney.

That's the bottom line. There is no strategy. There is no question as to how she will vote. Is everyone nuts?

She'll be the rubber stamp who rules in Rumsfeld vs Padea when it comes back around that * has star-chamber powers, etc., etc., etc.

[GOPNotForMe]

65. Unneccessary

They have the majority in the Senate. There is no reason why conservatives would go to such lengths to confirm a nominee. They have the votes already.

Miers' nomination = Bush's arrogance. PLain and simple. He's a neocon, but above all else, he is a psychotically arrogant asshole and this is pretty much the proof.

There is no grand conspiracy.

[Kurovski]

71. I'm with you on this one, GOPNotForMe.

Add to that the immense damage the Republican dissent is doing to the Bush White House. Bush is already in trouble for Iraq, gas prices, Katrina response, etc.

It isn't necessary, it does not make sense to me that they would cause so much damage in a tactic that is completely pointless.

They lose broad swaths of their own base with such a tactic. Will the average voter detect a "wink, wink" in George Wills column against Bush? Of course they won't.

[John_H]

66. Exactly! Which is why we need to FORCE a RvW decision THIS TERM

It's time for every dem to figure out what you have figured out and what all these psuedo-teeth gnashing wingnuts know, that R v W is dead.

There is only one thing we can do: Do whatever we can to bring about a decision this term. Since they're going to do it anyway, lets make them do it BEFORE the midterms.

[sendero]

69. R v W was dead..

... the day Bush** was elected to a second term. With a female crossover vote.

There isn't jack that the Dems can do to stop this now. It doesn't matter if it is Miers, or someo other wingnut, the country is infested with them and they WILL get one on the court.

The horse has left the barn. Closing the door now is quaintly useless.

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[Muddy Waters Guitar]

72. Exactly, don't trust Reid-- REJECT HARRIET MIERS!

She also ran an incredibly corrupt law firm and is a crony of the President's, with apparently some dirt on him. Reject her, and Bush falls apart at the seams.

[genius]

73. Good analysis.

The right wing reaction is all staged so she will look more moderate

[The Sushi Bandit]

74. Its all "smoke and mirrors"!!!

May we can give out 3D glasses to every american so they can see the truth!! LOL