If you were in charge of Democratic campaign- Invent negative Ads game.

[bluedawg12]

Invent Negative Ads:evilgrin:

Come on, we know the opposition plays dirty.

Negative ads get attention and, sad but true, sway voters.

I say let’s have fun with ‘em!

Contribute a dream-wish-fantasy ad for 2008 as if you were in charge of the Democratic campaign ads.

Your only mission: get down, get dirty, and be clever.:freak:

News, radio or TV media- your choice. :hippie:

Here’s a starter.
...........

Grainy black and white photo’s of the white house, and Senate building and the S.court.

Deep male voice:

-They’ve had the House for 8 years.

-They’ve had the Senate for 8 years.

-They have had the Supreme Court for 8 years.


The deep male voice laced with sarcasm: No child left behind.

Picture of a little child crying, outside the Superdome, clearly left behind.

The Republican Party.
Picture of Delay and KKKarl.

Isn’t it time to leave the Republicans behind?

Vote Democratic.

Sponsored by the Democratic Party for a better-everything!

...................
Deep male voice on the radio:

Compassionate tax cuts for the wealthy.

Compassionate loss of good paying American jobs.

Compassionate cronyism.

Compassionate elective war.

This much compassion is killing us.




Vote Democratic and end the Republican brand of compassion.

Paid for by the Democrats who still give a shit.

..............

Lady Bird Johnson once said that she wanted to plant a tree, a shrub, or a bush.

Surely she didn't mean, no where else except in the white house.

End the destruction of our natural world.

Vote Democratic while we still have a tree somewhere..or other.

Sponsored by Demoractic flora and fauna.
..........

[alittlelark]

1. Fade in...

American soldiers in Iraq - it's all going to hell


Fade in NG units in New Orleans.... "it's all going to hell"


Merge.

[whatever4]

2. "Say no to thugs"

With appropriate pics of henchmen at work

Really funny post!

[Aimah]

3. Negative Ad

The voice would have to be James Earl Jones. It could use some flames in the TV Ad. Another could be a an ad that doesn't say anything but just an uncut snippet of a Bush malediction. It should be aired during NASCAR

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Nothing "dirty" about those. The first one is *excellent*.

Better than anything the DNC will produce, unfortunately. ( The republicans seem to get all the real talent in this field).

The other two are good. A+, B+ B.

It's too late in the day for me to be productive this way, but I know the real deal when I see it.

I like your ad.

[bklyncowgirl]

21. Me too! nt

[Kurovski]

5. Pillow fight with Karl , George, & Gay hookers in the Lincoln Bedroom.

Be sure to put 3 or 4 curlers in Rove's fringe and have George in big fuzzy pink slippers. A voice-over outlines the many visits and over-nighters by Jeff Gannon, his quickly granted security clearance, his prostitution, his bogus credentials as a reporter. (leave the fake news to pros like Jon Stewart, Jeffy.)

As the rollicking sleepover descends into a "make-out" party, the words "Honor and dignity in the White House?" appear on the screen.

I really want to see that. Even if its on Saturday Night Live.

[bluedawg12]

6. There is no separation of church and state.

In Iran.

Otherwise, read the US Constitution.

You are free to worship... or not.

Paid for by a few godless Democrats and the many who worship with out government interference.

..............

He said he'd cut taxes.

He gave us Halleyburton.

He said he'd make us safer.

He gave us FEMA.

He said he'd privatize social security.

He gave us a huge national debt.

It's time for a change- vote Democratic- because you already gave through your *ss for him.

Paid for by democrats who don't have cognitive dissonance...yet.

...........

[unblock]

7. liars, the whole lot of them

just get a series of quotes/videos of banana republicans caught in lies, interspersed with a big, black and white LIARS and a voiceover explaining the truth.

shrub talking about wmds, followed by LIARS and a voiceover saying "not only were there no wmds, but the republicans never had any of the evidence they claimed to have"

shrub during the 2000 campaign counting $1 bills, saying there's enough surplus. a trillion for this, a trillion for that. LIARS and a voiceover saying we now have the biggest deficit in our history.

i'm sure we could come up with a few thousand more examples. the hard part is picking out the best ones.

[bluedawg12]

8. Thanks gang- glad you like 'em! Keep them coming. n/t

[KingFlorez]

9. Here's mine

(Insert Repuke Congressman name) isn't interested in representing you, they want to represent Tom Delay and bring a Banana Republic to our country. One Question (Insert Repuke Congressman name) Why do you hate America?

[phiddle]

10. I want a series of Rubber Stamp ads

A grainy black and white photo of an incumbent Repug Congress person stares out of the screen. A voice intones:
"He/She voted with Bush on the Iraq War" (Rubber stamp comes down on photo)
"He/She voted with Bush in adding $2.5 Trillion to our debt" (Rubber stamp comes down)
"He/She voted with Bush on the Medicare Scam" (Rubber stamp comes down)
etc. "Actually he/she voted with Bush 88% (or whatever) of the time."
(Congress person's face by this time is totally covered by Bush stamps)
"Vote for someone who won't be a rubber stamp" (color photo of the Dem)

[mestup]

13. You're Angry. You're white. You're male. AND YOU LOST.

Abortion is still legal.
Gays are still couples.
Blacks are going to Nascar races.

And last year the Filthy Rich Happy White Males you supported gave you a 2% cost of living raise, and higher gas prices.

The Republican Party stole your Big Wheel.
Whaddya gonna do about it?

[bluedawg12]

14. That's so funny cause it's true.. hah hah

Love the abortion, gays and blacks thing. Their worst nightmares. heh heh

[bluedawg12]

16. Republicans want gun control!

Republicans want gun control!

Who wants well armed, angry:
gays
blacks
..and pregnant women?

Vote Democratic...because the truth comes in unexpected ways.

Paid for by Democrats for gun control, those with guns didn't chip in.
..............

Vote Republican if you like:
gambling
drugs
..and abortion

Paid for by Democrats laughing at Rash Limpbag and Bill "Black Jack" Bennett.

.........

Why a week has seven days.

On the eight day God made Republicans and looked down and said.."nawww".

Vote Democratic, we have it on good faith that it's the correct decision.

[bluedawg12]

11. We went to war in Iraq and all I got was

this stinking tee-shirt.

( on the back of tee-shirt)

...and a $300 billion national debt.

.............
Republicans say:

America..love it

...or buy it.

Sales tax for big corporations not included.

The choice is yours.
Vote Democratic.
Paid for by Democrats who believe that government should not paid, bought, or sold.

..............

Neo=new
con= scam

Vote Republican neocon and get a new scam each day.

Paid for by Democrats- telling it straight to the American people.

No neos.
No cons.
Just plain truth.
........

[AZCat]

12. Ad in response to negative ad campaign

Ad begins with candidate walking down a street in small town America.

Candidate: Most of you have probably seen one of 's ads recently that has been accusing me of . It has been a long time since I have had to resort to playground tactics, so I have engaged a consultant well-versed in such an exchange. Candidate stops by a local schoolyard, and leans over fence to talk with a young boy playing nearby.

Candidate: This is Billy Jenkins, terror of the P.S. 408 schoolyard and my new campaign advisor. I have come here during recess to consult with him regarding the recent attack ads. Looks at Billy. Billy - have you seen the commercials that has been running lately?

Billy: Yeah, they were on all week on the tv.

Candidate: Billy, what would you do if someone on this playground accused you of something you knew was a lie?

Billy: Scratches his nose. I'd throw a dirt clod at him. We got some good ones out by the soccer field - they go real far.

Candidate: Do you think I should do the same thing to ?

Billy: Looks at his feet. No.

Candidate: Why? He did something that wasn't very nice. Shouldn't I do something back?

Billy: No. You're an adult, and adults don't act like that.

Candidate: But is an adult, and does.

Billy: Well, maybe needs to go stand in the corner. The whistle blows, and Billy runs off.

Candidate stands and faces camera smiling.
Candidate: There you have it - a simple, but clear message from one who knows. While I don't think needs to go stand in the corner, perhaps we all need to think a little harder before supporting someone who isn't even up to the standards of little Billy Jenkins. After all, don't we want someone representing us who is less like a schoolyard bully and more like an adult?

Scene fades out to screen with candidate's slogan/name/etc.

[rockthevote2006]

15. Positive Ads

We Democrats need to focus less on attacking Bush, and more on telling people why they should vote Democrat. Example:

Good Ad: More jobs, better schools. Smarter security, stronger economy.

Bad Ad: Vote for us cause Bush did this, and Bush did that...

[bluedawg12]

17. I agree and there were some great positive ideas pitched today& yest.

there were quite a few really good positive thoughtful threads this weekend- here are a couple you might find of interest.

Peace-

..........


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2146715

Here's one I posted earlier today at that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2146715

Being an American
By The New Millennium Democrat

American courage: the sentinel of liberty, sealed with American blood and self sacrifice.

American might: power balanced with integrity. A strong and capable military and gratitude to those who serve with honor so that this great and free nation may stand in pride and freedom.

American patriotism: love of country, respect for the flag- paid for by the blood of hero’s, and honoring our troops who serve today and vowing that veterans who have answered the call, will not be forgotten.

American ingenuity: taking us from outer space to energy independence. Rich ideas and novel solutions, born and nurtured in freedom, will prevail.

American fairness: preserving and promoting human rights and freedoms for all Americans. The strong protect the weak, the many will not trample on the few. Every American, every individual counts.

American values: stewardship of the environment, valuing education for our kids to raise them up through knowledge and discovery, elevating all Americans to prosperity with good jobs and trusted long term benefits, and ensuring access to great health care.

American support for the ideals of liberty, equality and opportunity. This is the land that many have chosen as their adopted home, and from the farms of the great plains to the steel mill cities, they came for the American Dream and have found a welcoming home and freedom from tyranny.

Now is the time.

Now is the time for American strength.
Now is the time to be secure in our homes and lives and jobs.
Now is the time to ensure for ourselves and for our families, that the ideals of democracy and freedom that we cherish and many have given so much for, will endure.

The New Millennium Democratic Party- together we are stronger than apart, Americans united for prosperity, opportunity, and strength.

And here is another positive thread I posted yesterday that got good replies and ideas.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2143477

The next time some one calls you liberal tell ‘em that liberal and liberty derive from the same latin root: “free,” as in freedom.

Ask them if they have a problem with freedom?

‘a liberal is a man who believes in liberty’ (Cranston, 459). (3)

Tell them that:

>The fundamental principles of liberalism include these. That governments should rule with the consent of the governed; that individuals have a right to life, liberty and property; and that all citizens have equal rights under the law. (1)<

Is there a problem with law and order?

Is there a problem with individuals having rights with in the bounds of consent from the governed? Or should men live in a society ruled by a few who tell the many how to live, how to die, who to love, and when and what they should worship?

>‘he burden of proof is supposed to with those who are against liberty; who contend for any restriction or prohibition…. The a priori assumption is in favour of freedom…’(Mill, 1991 <1859>: 472). This might be called the Fundamental Liberal Principle (Gaus, 1996: 162-166): freedom is normatively basic, and so the onus of justification is on those who would limit freedom.< (3)

Are there those who prefer that men live with out the rule of law under the tyranny of a few, or in a society where the voices of individuals are silenced and with out recourse to public vote and public policy?

Would some prefer thinking in lock step and goose- marching to the same tune, or in alternate, if in resistence, to the gallows?

>Conservatism is a universal ideology or philosophy: conservatives consider their values to be valid for all persons, not just for themselves. Consequently, there is no great tradition of conservative separatism, and conservatism is a political force, seeking to implement policy. Since not everyone is a conservative, now or in the past, conservatism is historically associated with repression of non-conservatives. (2)<

Aren’t the same people who fear social engineering the same ones who have fallen prey to it?

>Conservatives often claim that their values are the 'national values' or 'community values', which are beyond political discussion and must be enforced. (2)<

Next time some one calls you a liberal ask them if they have a problem with liberty.


Of interest to anyone wanting to delve into what the conservative jurists think, check out the Federalist Society web site. Newly appointed Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts is a member.

Here is a sample from Judge Bork, a former nominee to the USSC;

>Robert H. Bork, "Neutral Principles and Some First Amendment Problems," 47 Ind. L.J. 1 (1971). ..Judge Bork then attempts to derive some neutral principles in the free speech area, concluding that "onstitutional protection should be accorded only to speech that is explicitly political" and excepting speech that advocates the overthrow of government or other violations of the law.< (4)

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
(2)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative
(3)http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism /
(4)http://www.fed-soc.org/Publications/biblio/biblio.htm#t...


Main Entry: 1liberal
Etymology: Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free;

BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
synonyms LIBERAL, GENEROUS, BOUNTIFUL, MUNIFICENT mean giving or given freely and unstintingly.

LIBERAL suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given <a teacher liberal with her praise>.
GENEROUS stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift <a generous offer of help>.
BOUNTIFUL suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing <children spoiled by bountiful presents>.
MUNIFICENT suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes <a munificent foundation grant>.

Main Entry: liberty
Etymology: Latin libertat-, libertas, from liber free -- more at LIBERAL
1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
2 a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : PRIVILEGE b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
synonym see FREEDOM
- at liberty 1 : FREE

[bluedawg12]

18. Just remembered this positive thread , too

check it out if you haven't seen it. People posted some good ideas here too.

The time is ripe for a "Democratic contract with America"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2145106


Here was my idea on that thread.
.....
Here's my big Three pick:

Pro-growth Initiative For A Strong and Secure Democracy.

1.) The Economy- Pride and strength for our working middle class.

Good paying jobs with a future.
Support for the American Working Middle Class.
Affordable, high quality, health care.
Vouchers for working families who chose a stay at home parent option.
Keeping good jobs here at home- American workers are our priority.
Affordable energy.

2.) National Security- Pride in a Strong America

A rational strategic plan for security here at home.
Safe and secure national borders.
A strong military.
Support for active duty troops.
Support for the families of over seas active duty troops.
Support for veterans.
A ratioanl foriegn policy based on diplomacy, as well as, military might.


3.) Human rights-

Access to voting in America is free, no poll tax or costly voter ID's- a living Democracy in action.
Support for families and the rights of "all" American families.
Fairness in work, housing, and benefits for all Americans.
Less government interference in the private lives of Americans and a smaller government.
Good stewardship of the environment for ourselves and for future generations.

.....
Check out this Pew Poll:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=948

[OneBlueSky]

20. "Creating the New American Dream . . . That WORKS!" . . . n/t

.

[Neil Lisst]

19. Bush v. Bush

Split screen
Bush v. Bush

What he said v. What he did

"bring morality back to Washington" v. Rove, DeLay, Frist


I like the theme of promises broken.


------
TERROR ALERT!
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[mrcheerful]

22. Nice ideal but

Your dealing with two issues americans don't get, damage done and taking time to fix it. The reason repukes are able to get the sheep to follow them is they want quick easy fixes that don't cost them anything to get it done. Also truth don't work well with the sheep, they live in a dream world where only lazy people are poor. Homeless people want to be homeless in their eyes. Everyone on welfare are lazy. As long as sheep have jobs they will vote repukes in because they thrive on being two faced bigots.Also sheep think because they worship the ''right'' religion and vote for repukes nothing bad will happen to them. Look at the way under Clinton doing all he did to better america, the repukes were able to twist that around.

It was because of Reagan and daddy Bush that Clinton had a growing working economy. GW inherited the deficit from Clinton, things were about to fall apart when Clinton left office. reality and sheep don't go well together. Remember how upset the sheep were when Dem's did do negative ads. They over look the repukes doing it and blame Dem's.

Your dealing with dim witted people that are great at repeating what they are told, its the education system behind it, read whats in the school books and repeat it but don't research or question the book.

To understand the sheep your dealing with just listen to what they say. Until something happens to them they continue to live with blinders on. Thats why Fox appeals to them so much, it tells them what they want to hear and believe, truth never enters into the picture. These sheep don't want truth or ways to fix things, they just want to be told that they are exempt from harm. What got americans to vote Dem's in was the great depression. As soon as they were doing better what did they do? Voted in repukes, just in 1960 the Dem's had someone that could talk at the sheep's level and he got through to them. After the sheep said they were duped into voting Dem's in and the Dem's tricked them. How do you win with the non-thinking sheep out there? They live in red states by the way.

[bluedawg12]

24. Well said. Sheeple find it easy to have a lynch mob mentality

hey let's find some scapegoats and blame everything on them that will solve all our problems--and then let's pop another brewski and go watch me some fast car racing.

[bluedawg12]

23. "You all raise a serious issue; what about going negative?"

I posted this initially to blow off steam and laughter is the best medicine sometimes, for anger, frustration and...well, anger.

And plenty of policy oriented positive posts have been posted on this forum with some very good ideas. In fact we were starting to posts "positive ads" on another thread when I noticed that a few were going in the other direction and that's another reason I started a separate thread-- why not have a silly, humorous, negative ad thread. no one is suggesting these be used, and we are all pointing out one monstrous lie and failure after another, as our beloved country goes into a tail spin and hypocrites keep spouting their self righteous radicalrightwingbag message- so why not a little break from seriousness and make fun of the blatant discrepancies between words and deeds on the radicalrightwingbags.

Besides, I was traumatized, I went to a seminar last night and actually had to listen to two blow hard neo-cons lionize and drool over Tory "I wanna be Rummy" Clark, former pentagon baghdad bobbette and then some repug started in on the righwingnut talking points about Blanco not nationalizing the Guard. Ya' know, I no longer feel like I want to shut up when I stand two feet away from these douche bags, and one of them even tried to shut me up, "enough of this Monday morning quarter back stuff.." yea enough so he could begin his neocon lecture..."Ex-squeeze me?" So, I guess I decided to blow off steam with some humor. Oh yea,...by the way....I did not shut up..I have listened to these maroons on TV for almost 5 years, but when they are neighbors and ideologues in my community I have an obligation to speak truth to propaganda. Thankfully, I have taken the time to educate myself in the issues at hand and the obfuscation and misinformation is easy to refute with just a little patience and a vast arsenal of facts and truths from this forum and other sources.

But, as far as advertising there is an art to it.

I am not sure how to do it, but I now it when I see it.

I know that negative ads work:

I know that a good man who served his country in war, who volunteered to go in harms way was damaged badly by a bunch of conveniently available fatboat vets with none-too-swift memory.

I have read about the push polls, whisper campaigns, anonymous fliers outside meeting halls,

ask Dukakis
ask McCain
ask Anne Richards

whether Dem's in power will run negative ads is an interesting question. Probably not. Let the surrogates do it. But, do it.

Play nice and watch our candidate stand up for months defending his war record against a texas fly boy who's only hardship was warm martini's.

[tx_dem41]

25. I want positive ads that actually state what our policies would be...

and why people should vote for us. That would be novel.

[bluedawg12]

26. I want positive ads from the candidates

but I want ads that expose our enemies/opponents when ever necessary it's time we told Americans who they are voting for on both sides. Those ads should come from allied groups not the Dems themsleves.

Ask Daschle how playing nice works for us.

[tx_dem41]

27. Who said anything about playing nice?

That said, I don't disagree with the sentiments in your response to my post.

[mrcheerful]

28. Actually

When ever dem's point out defects in repukes, the sheep start whinning about campagns being run negative. Yet when repukes come out with people like Rush (give me another vicaden) Limbough or the swift boat hid from vietnam liers they are just ''telling it like it was''. We will never win until the sheep learn how to think for themselves, remember sheep want leaders to tell them how to live, god forbid they have to take responsilbilty for themselves or their off spring, they want everyone else to do it for them. That way they remain safe and guiltless in their actions. Look at the religions most belong to and you can see how much they thrive on being told what to do.

[tx_dem41]

29. Yes....calling people "sheep" is a sure way to get them...

to vote for you.

[bluedawg12]

32. Hey that would be a good ad! Sheep!

(Solemn deep male voice)

They said they would smoke him out.


They said there were WMD's.


They said Iraq would be a cake walk.

Now our are children are facing a national debt that their children will inherit.

Good jobs have gone over seas- while factories at home shut down.

And some (here voices grow deeper) even suggest we should draft our kids for more of their war. (Show Friedmans article on the draft)

Go to picture of sheep in peacful green pasture- oblivious.

Voice intones softly:

Is this how they see Americans?

Then stronger voice:

Vote Democratic and tell them the sheep have come home to roost.

Paid for by people who believe in a strong and Democratic America.

[tx_dem41]

34. Not bad....only I don't think sheep come home to roost..

Chickens do. I'm not sure what sheep come home to. Hmmmmm.

[bluedawg12]

36. having been duely shorn- they can only mix metaphores! n/t

[bluedawg12]

30. Phew, Tex, for a minute I thought we were having a Kumbaya moment

Playing nice is for the lead candidate- who has to look statesman/woman like.

What kills me is that people vote their emotions and not their heads.

The insanity of the last elections when the repukes labeled us
" tax and spend" well, look what they did. Gas rose from $1.50 /gallon to $3/gallon or more, now, if we had actually raised gas taxes by a dollar we would still be under $3./gallon and have money for the environment and perhaps even conservation of gas.

It's great that we have a heart and a conscience but we also have to be tough as nails and as dogged as pitbulls.


I just read Jonathan Alters op ed in Newsweek Oct. 10. 2005. We (Americans) have voted into power , "the leadership of the House hijacked by a small band of extremists building a ruthless shakedown machine lining the pockets of the richest and rolling back popular protections for ordinary people..." that's from Alter MSM, IMHO.

Even if Defelon is gone- others will rise like graveyard soulless zombies to pursue their American dream: power and money at any cost.
They will continue the politics of personal destruction of any candidate we put up for a position of power.

If truth and great ideals had been enough, with or with out Diebold, we would be in power.

[tx_dem41]

31. I don't do Kumbaya moments...

C'mon...you know that! :)

[bluedawg12]

33. LOL- I thought I'd get you Tex.

Note to self: tex from Dallas, cancel Kumbaya moments.:patriot:

[bluedawg12]

35. "the ferocious Bush assault on Kerry this spring has been extraordinary"

In case we forget whom we deal with.

Expect more of the same.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3222-2004May30.html

From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity
Scholars Say Campaign Is Making History With Often-Misleading Attacks

By Dana Milbank and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, May 31, 2004; Page A01

snip>

Three-quarters of the ads aired by Bush's campaign have been attacks on Kerry. Bush so far has aired 49,050 negative ads in the top 100 markets, or 75 percent of his advertising. Kerry has run 13,336 negative ads -- or 27 percent of his total.

The assault on Kerry is multi-tiered: It involves television ads, news releases, Web sites and e-mail, and statements by Bush spokesmen and surrogates -- all coordinated to drive home the message that Kerry has equivocated and "flip-flopped" on Iraq, support for the military, taxes, education and other matters.

"There is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period against either candidate," said University of Pennsylvania professor Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an authority on political communication. "This is a very high level of attack, particularly for an incumbent." <

Here's a final quote that says a lot bout the imporatnce of sond bites. You know, the bit you hear on your way out to the kitchen to grab a snack and the words stay with you like an ear worm?

>"Sometimes the charges ring true. Last week, Kerry told NBC: "I'm for the Patriot Act, but I'm not for the Patriot Act the way they abuse the Constitution." That brought to mind Kerry's much-mocked contention in March on Iraq spending: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."<

[bluedawg12]

37. In their crazy world tax cuts

are the solution to terrorism.

In their crazy world sending good jobs overseas
helps American working men and women.

In their crazy world conservation of oil
means raising oil prices and profits.

In the real world
the Repug-licans are just plain bad for America.

Vote Democratic because morality begins with truth.

Real solutions for security, jobs, and energy.

[Awsi Dooger]

38. Our handicapping continues to royally suck

Negative ads are the last thing we need. I'm amazed this even needs to be explained. Every cent that MoveOn organization spent last year was wasted, monumental ignorance.

Stop pretending their gameplan will work for us. The GOP is trying to energize and expand the angry and narrow minded, people who thrive on hate. We are trying to rescue the support of thoughtful but conflicted middle class married white women. That is the only voting block that matters. Every study indicates our fortunes are directly tied to how they vote, and they drifted away from us partially due to Monica and mostly due to 9/11 and national security fears. Negative ads don't mean squat to that group. The questions you hear are not, "Who do you hate and why?," but, "What do you stand for and why is that best for the country ?" If we continue to ignore the baseline truths behind the need to answer the latter question, we'll continue to run masochistic negative ads, and run second.

[bluedawg12]

40. How do you know that negative ads don't work?

"We are trying to rescue the support of thoughtful but conflicted middle class married white women. That is the only voting block that matters. Every study indicates our fortunes are directly tied to how they vote, and they drifted away from us partially due to .."

I don't know what studies you are referring to. Can you point mein the right direction.

Why do you think they don't work with women?

Why are they the only vote that counts?

I know that the negative ads against Kerry worked during the Presidential elections.

[mrcheerful]

41. Besides the fact that

Jimmy carter ran both the 75 campagn and the 79 just on the facts of Ford and Reagan voting and leadership records. It worked in 75, for 2 reasons, People were upset with Ford for giving Nixon a pardon and second, the negative ads weren't as bad at that time. That all changed with Mr. Honest Ronnie Reagan who ran ads that an very little known, failed business man whose daddy happened to be Reagans running mate came up with. Remember also GW went to the chirsten right wing confessed his sins to them and then GW said I'm one of you and so is my daddy and uncle Reagan. A vote for Reagan Bush is a vote for chirst! Those are the tactics I will refuse to accept from the dems. We should take the high road and leave the mud slinging to those like GW.

[bluedawg12]

42. Didn't Kerry run his campaign on the facts?

Shrubco surrogates planted negative ads 3:1 compared to Kerry.

All people remember are the fatboat vets.

What about Willie Horton? And the tank? And kitty?

It seems those worked.

We took the high road when the swifties appeared and Mary Beth did not lower the candidate to respond to such none sense.

What happened?

The one man who served over seas and was wounded was made out to be a coward and a flip flopper.

True negative ads, not silly jokes written here, but professionally written negative ads are simply about telling the truth about the failures of the opposition but doing it in a way the sticks.

Campaigns should have strong, memorable positive ads, but since we are on the topic of campaign strategy I am asking why they don't work for us but they work for the other side?

I am not talking abou the obvious ethical sense of why not do it- but am asking why is it strategically wrong?

[MichiganVote]

39. Republicans sliding down the slippery slope of Social Security

Do you know where your money has gone?