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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:03 AM
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Bill Nelson, Dem., joining with Kyl, Rep. to repeal the estate tax.
I have no clue why. Someone in the Florida forum wrote him, and he said he wanted to help small businesses and farmers. Is he not aware that this only covers the upper echelon of our country? Here is an article about it.

http://www.cbpp.org/5-25-00tax.htm

A key component of President Bush's tax package would repeal the federal estate, gift, and generation-skipping transfer tax by 2009. Repealing the estate tax is costly, reducing revenues for both the federal government and states, and would provide a massive windfall for some of the country's wealthiest families.

In 1997, the estates of fewer than 43,000 people — fewer than 1.9 percent of the 2.3 million people who died that year — had to pay any estate tax. The Joint Committee on Taxation projects that the percentage of people who die whose estates will be subject to estate tax will remain at about two percent for the foreseeable future. In other words, 98 of every 100 people who die face no estate tax whatsoever.

To be subject to tax, the size of an estate must exceed $675,000 in 2001. The estate tax exemption is rising to $1 million by 2006. Note that an estate of any size may be bequeathed to a spouse free of estate tax.

The vast bulk of estate taxes are paid on very large estates. In 1997, some 2,400 estates — the largest five percent of estates that were of sufficient size to be taxable — paid nearly half of all estate taxes. These were estates with assets exceeding $5 million. This means about half of the estate tax was paid by the estates of the wealthiest one of every 1,000 people who died."


And here is the press release from Bill Nelson's office. I don't like this. But I guess he has his reasons. His press release appears to mispresent what the estate really is about.

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=244014&

WASHINGTON - - Two U.S. senators - one a Republican, the other a Democrat - on Thursday revived an effort to kill the so-called death tax on inherited estates.

Both senators - Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) - are longtime proponents of abolishing the tax that can allow the federal government to seize almost half a person's assets when he or she dies. The tax, they said, hurts families that inherit small businesses and farms.

Their bill would permanently repeal the estate tax at the end of this decade. It would do so then because a law passed as part of President Bush's tax cuts in 2001 gradually phases out the tax by 2010. But it allows the levy to come back to life in 2011, at an even higher rate. "


And here is an excellent explanation from the Washingotn Post earlier this year on how they are misrepresenting this tax.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/23/AR2005072300741.html?nav=rss_opinion

ONE OF THE chief arguments of those seeking permanent repeal of the estate tax is that it cruelly penalizes farmers and owners of small businesses whose heirs are forced to sell off their holdings to pay the tax. "In order to make sure our farms stay within our farming families, we need to get rid of the death tax once and for all," President Bush proclaimed in a speech last month to the Future Farmers of America.

This assertion, though, is more convenient myth than fact -- something that senators might consider when they're called on, perhaps as soon as this week, to vote on abolishing the tax. A new study by the Congressional Budget Office examined estate tax returns filed by farmers and owners of small businesses in 1999 and 2000. The numbers that owed estate tax, the CBO found, were paltry, and the number without enough cash on hand to pay the bill even punier: In 2000, for example, just 1,659 farm estates had taxes due, of which 138 didn't report enough liquid assets to cover their tax liability.

...."In other words, the image of the grieving heir packing up his hoe as he trudges away from the family farm is just that -- a powerful image but not an accurate one. Over the years, the discussion of the estate tax hasn't exactly been noted for its intellectual rigor. But members of Congress debating the issue now ought to look at the facts assembled by the CBO -- not the misinformation peddled by those maneuvering to make repeal permanent.


Bill Nelson, first the bankruptcy bill, then CAFTA, now this. I guess I need to make a call and send a link to a couple of articles.



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:51 PM
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1. they must pretend it's a bi-partisan bill.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:32 AM
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2. This kind of pretending on top of the Medicare/Medicaid cuts...
will hurt so many people. Instead of making the very rich pay a fair share of taxes, many of our own Democrats are going along with the cuts to the poor and the tax cuts for the very wealthy.

Nelson has a way of pretending a lot...he just uses too many of their talking points at times.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:40 AM
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3. why does bill nelson remain a dem???
hell he votes repub all the time..wtf?? i can't stand his traitor ass!

fla voter..

disgusted..

fly
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 AM
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4. I will vote for him, but I point out when he's wrong.
:hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:59 AM
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10. what choice do we have // we have to vote for him...
but if i had a choice..he would be the last person on earth i would vote for!!

i ran a vip section last yr during the election cycle ( with edwards in st pete) ..and i had 3 kids who wanted his autograph and to meet him..i brought the kids up to him..and he was downright nasty and rude...that was the last nail in his coffin for me...i thought..but he never ceases to disappoint me with his republican votes!
or to piss off other dem congress people!
i remember the vote with boxer about the election and i saw schummer reaming him out on the congress floor...that sticks in my craw ..for good!

i will vote for him..but i have to hold my nose!!

fly
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:44 AM
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5. Argh. This is really upsetting.
I donated to his reelection campaign and I have generally been supportive of him, but this is too far. I can get over CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill, because I don't want Katherine Harris in office, but I will NOT get behind him on this. I simply cannot vote for someone who wants to repeal the estate tax, and unfortunately this time it's a democrat. I will call him and tell his staff that he has lost my vote if he indeed is on board with this estate tax repeal, for what it's worth. :(
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:44 AM
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6. Inform him that Democrats will actively search for a primary
candidate to replace him unless he changes his position.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:48 AM
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7. Won't work here.
Our state chair works hand in hand with him, loyalties abound.

He has good votes, I try to remember those. But I will point out when he is wrong in my mind.

I think it was last week they made so many cuts for the poor, and some said it was a precursor to cutting more taxes for the rich.
I guess I did not expect it to be proposed by one of our own, who is acting naive about it.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:56 AM
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9. I read in our local paper that they want to take away the tax deduction
for the middle class on their interest on their homes.

Take..take...take...

but then GIVE to the rich?!
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:03 PM
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11. I talked to her for a while last week
I told her of my concerns about Nelson's betrayal of Democrats and I thought she was going to start crying. I said I would hold my nose and vote for him and she didn't know what to say. The only reason to vote for Bill Nelson is that he is NOT Katherine Harris.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:45 PM
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17. I have concerns, but am keeping them to myself for now.
I don't have enough to go on.

I do know this much....she is supposed to consult with the state committee men and women. I think that is the way. I understand she is mainly working with DEC chairs in the counties....and has not talked to committeepersons at all.

Luis Navarro had a conference call with them recently, the committeepeople that is. He is the political director she hired. I won't say for how much as I got slammed for not being a good Democrat when I did.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:24 PM
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15. Then there needs to be a serious change made within
the Florida Democratic party. Get the cronies booted out, and bring decent people in.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:56 AM
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8. Wal-Mart family lobbies for tax cuts
Wal-Mart (WMT) drew broad scrutiny last year as its political spending soared in nationwide battles over health care, labor and other hot-button issues threatening the giant retailer's growth.

Now, in a little-noticed move, the company's founding family has plunged into a fight to pass income tax changes and other legislation that could preserve its grip on the USA's biggest business and the family's $84 billion fortune.

Led by Sam Walton's only daughter, Alice, the family spent $3.2 million on lobbying, conservative causes and candidates for last year's federal elections. That's more than double what it spent in the previous two elections combined, public documents show.

The Waltons have joined a coterie of wealthy families trying to save fortunes through permanent repeal of the estate tax, government watchdogs say. The election of President Bush and more conservatives to Congress gave momentum to the long-fought effort. The Waltons add more.

"To see the wealthiest family in America weighing in is scary," says Chuck Collins, co-founder of Responsible Wealth, a non-profit group that tracks the super-rich.


http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2005-04-05-waltons-usat_x.htm

Gotta wonder if Nelson received any donations from Wal-Mart.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:22 PM
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13. Alice hasn't given to him directly...
34 . Walton, Alice
10/20/2004 $1,000,000.00
Mineral Wells, TX 76067
Rocking W Ranch Inc
Progress For America Voter Fund

36 . Walton, Alice
8/3/2004 $600,000.00
Mineral Wells, TX 76067
Rocking W Ranch Inc
Progress For America Voter Fund

37 . Walton, Alice
10/7/2004 $1,000,000.00
Mineral Wells, TX 76067
Rocking W Ranch Inc
Progress For America Voter Fund

She gives to lots of PACs, but I couldn't find any donations directed towards Nelson either. The only Democrat I recognized on her donations page is Blanche Lincoln.

If anyone wants to remind me who the other Wal Mart heirs are I'll look them up as well...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:08 PM
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12. Sounds like he's being
purposely Obtuse.

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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:55 PM
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14. PLease, name me one family farm that has gone out of business
b/c of the Estate Tax?


I'm waiting...


Still waiting...


Let's go....


Anyone?....


Didn't think so!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:39 PM
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16. This bill, S.420 has 21 co-sponsors, only 1 is a Democrat, Bill Nelson, FL
Truly despicable! First a vote for the bankruptcy bill, and now this. Why kind of Democrat is Bill Nelson, anyway? And "what good is he" as Molly Ivins said after the Democrats enabled the passage of the bankruptcy bill.

S.420

Title: A bill to make the repeal of the estate tax permanent.

Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon (introduced 2/17/2005) Cosponsors (21)
Related Bills: H.R.8, H.R.64, H.R.183

Latest Major Action: 2/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

COSPONSORS(21), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Allard, Wayne - 2/17/2005
Sen Allen, George - 2/17/2005
Sen Bond, Christopher S. - 4/25/2005
Sen Burns, Conrad R. - 2/17/2005
Sen Burr, Richard - 4/19/2005
Sen Chambliss, Saxby - 4/11/2005
Sen Cornyn, John - 4/28/2005
Sen Craig, Larry E. - 9/7/2005
Sen Crapo, Mike - 3/3/2005
Sen Enzi, Michael B. - 4/22/2005
Sen Hagel, Chuck - 4/4/2005
Sen Hutchison, Kay Bailey - 5/20/2005
Sen Inhofe, James M. - 2/17/2005
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 5/9/2005
Sen Lott, Trent - 4/14/2005
Sen Martinez, Mel - 4/14/2005
Sen Nelson, Bill - 2/17/2005
Sen Smith, Gordon H. - 4/19/2005
Sen Talent, Jim - 2/17/2005
Sen Thune, John - 2/17/2005
Sen Vitter, David - 3/7/2005
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:18 PM
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18. I've Been Talking Nelson Down For Some Time Now!
How I wish WE had another person to run in his place!

Katherine (Cruella) Harris is so bad, I think almost anyone could beat her!!

I'm NOT a NELSON "fanny!" He better WAKE UP!!

Oh, I forgot... he does have that "blowin in the wind" thing going!!!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:25 PM
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19. Nelson
is one of those "hold your nose until you're about the pass out-just to get a Dem majority" kind of votes you make.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:36 PM
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20. Just outrageous...how will they make up the difference in lost revenue
borrow...borrow...borrow....it's out of control
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:14 PM
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21. But, but, but... he's just representing his conservative constituents!
By screwing them up the ass.

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DoctorGonzo Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:38 PM
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22. Sounds like Nelson likes to sell out his constituents
I'm a moderate but this is just plain ridiculous. How could he support that corporate wet dream bankruptcy bill???? What the fuck happened to him? Are his pockets that greased with credit industry money??!?!?

And then CAFTA? I guess he values cheap socks and affordable toothbrushes over American jobs.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:29 AM
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23. Kick! Bill Nelson is the ONLY Dem co-sponsor of estate tax repeal!
Truly despicable. What kind of Democrat is he, anyway?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:39 AM
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24. Nelson's sorry, disingenuous reply.
Dear________________,

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Federal estate and gift tax.

I am supportive of permanent tax relief for small businesses and family farms. I believe the estate tax discourages savings and prevents hard-working people from passing on the fruits of their labor to their children. As a member of the Budget Committee, I also take very seriously the role of Congress in maintaining fiscal responsibility. For this reason, I carefully consider the impact laws, taxes, and regulations have on all my constituents.

I support the permanent repeal of the estate tax because I believe the detrimental impact this tax has on small- and medium-sized businesses outweighs any future budgeting difficulties created by its full repeal. S. 420, the Estate Tax Bill, would allow the current phase-out to proceed as planned, and then fully repeal the estate tax permanently after 2010. This bill was proposed on February 17, 2005, and is now being considered by the Senate Finance Committee.

Although we disagree on this issue, I appreciate you taking the time to contact me. Please do not hesitate to contact me again with future concerns about other issues.
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