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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:53 AM
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Did Libby's Jewishness impact the CIA leak scandal?
When Joshua Muravchik, perhaps the pre-eminent expert on the interventionist foreign policy that has become known as neo-conservatism, was looking for non-Jewish neo-cons to prove that the movement isn't pervasively Jewish, he naturally included Lewis Libby.

"Non-Jews figuring prominently in current foreign-policy debates and today called neo-cons include Libby, (John) Bolton, American Enterprise Institute president Christopher DeMuth, and Gary Schmitt of the Project for the New American Century," Muravchik wrote in Commentary magazine two years ago.

"Go easy on me," Muravchik laughingly told a reporter this week, after it emerged that the man at the center of the White House leak scandal indeed is Jewish.

Libby resigned last Friday as Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff just hours after his indictment on perjury charges related to the leaking of the name of a CIA operative married to a prominent Bush administration critic.

.... more here...two page article
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:58 AM
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1. He's JEWISH??? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
How am I going to tell my mother?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:45 AM
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8. Are YOU Jewish?!
If so, WHY would you tell your mother?! You should want that she worry?!

:evilgrin:

(I am sure, well, I hope, that aquart knows this post is :sarcasm: and Jewish humor.)
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jfern Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:01 AM
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2. I care far more about his unethical and illegal behavoir
Then whether he is Jewish.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:09 AM
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3. Excuse me for asking, but...
why should being Jewish be linked to being a neocon? This sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:42 AM
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7. Ya think?
However, look around, you will see how many will link the religion to "Israel's control" of the US government.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:02 AM
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9. It's always the other way around...
political leaders may use their religion to achieve ulterior motives. Hitler even used Christianity to a certain extent. I'm not directly involved myself, but I would guess that Zionism is at issue here. It doesn't help when certain Arab leaders make that the central issue and I can understand the sensitivity.

Although I don't agree with neocon philosophy, I do feel they have the right to exist and I would support anyone who tries to separate the political philosophy from any religion.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:05 AM
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10. Because the PNAC is more about protecting Israel's interests
then it is about protecting US interests.

See a "Clean Break" which was written by the same folks for Israel back in 1996. Though a much shorter document then the PNAC one, both documents go hand in hand.

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israel’s socialist institutions—which include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"—undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous government’s "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass— including a palpable sense of national exhaustion—and forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israel’s efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s government comes in with a new set of ideas. While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nation’s streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can:

* Work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll-back some of its most dangerous threats. This implies clean break from the slogan, "comprehensive peace" to a traditional concept of strategy based on balance of power.

* Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas and nurturing alternatives to Arafat’s exclusive grip on Palestinian society.

* Forge a new basis for relations with the United States—stressing self-reliance, maturity, strategic cooperation on areas of mutual concern, and furthering values inherent to the West. This can only be done if Israel takes serious steps to terminate aid, which prevents economic reform.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:46 AM
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12. I'm all for defending our allies
but the aggression and preemptive business will only endanger Israel further, sooner or later. Plus, Americans are only willing to do so much and there's always the problem of Blowback.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:58 AM
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15. Anyone who hasn't figured that out..
... yet (that PNAC is about Israel, not the US) doesn't want to know.

It's right there in black and white.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:11 AM
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4. My reaction to this...
...is the same as to a news story back in 1998 wondering if Monica Lewinsky had caused the widespread revival of various negative stereotypes about Jewish women.

My thought then, as now: "I didn't even know they were Jewish."


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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:13 AM
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5. Joshua Muravchik and I share a common trait. . .
we'd both make terrible bigots.

I had no idea Libby is a Jew, but unlike Muravchik it would never occur to me to ask. In regards to neo-cons, I'm only interested in how they're destroying my nation and threatening the world and what can be done to stop them. I've no interest in their individual races or religions.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:16 AM
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6. I did not think he was Jewish
Sure, a disproportionate number of neo-conservatives are Jewish, but just as many of them are not, and all indications suggest that most Americans who are Jewish reject neo-conservative silliness.

Kerry won 74% of the Jewish vote, and 80% of the New York Jewish vote.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:00 AM
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16. You said...
" all indications suggest that most Americans who are Jewish reject neo-conservative silliness"

That is a statement I agree with. So how do you explain the huge percentage of PNACers who are Jewish?

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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:45 AM
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11. Will Libby eventually play the "anti-Semitism" card?
ala OJ?

The stakes are high (30 yrs) so I wouldn't be surprised.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:00 AM
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13. If he hadn't dropped his first name, Irve, it would be more obvious
Irve Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Kinda get the feeling he's just a bit uncomfortable with it, himself.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:33 AM
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14. It doesn't matter what we think or who we blame, it is my
definite impression that anti-semitism is back full-force among freeptards and ordinary people. I think PNAC will be shown to have set back Israel and the Jewish people a century or so. Every day people say to me that the war was about Israel and oil and as they turn against the war, guess who will get blamed?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:02 AM
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17. I could not .
.... disagree more. The entire PNAC agenda is nothing more than a Tom Sawyer act to get the US to clean up the Middle East so Israel doesn't have to do it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:17 AM
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18. Bush and Sharon?
I don't think anyone is blaming the Jewish people. We are blaming a particular group of people who have taken control of both the US and the Israeli governments.
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 AM
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19. Locking
This is flamebait.
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