My Opinion on Bev Harris & BBV (Warning: Harsh Language) (From 12/30/04)

[IdaBriggs]

NOTE: This is a re-posting from December 30, 2004. Since Bev's name is coming up again, I think everyone should remember what happened last year. Please be aware that at the time of this posting, Andy Stephenson (who was a dear friend of mine) was still alive. The original link is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132

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For those who do not know me, I was responsible for the New Hampshire voter study, and helped make the recount in New Hampshire possible. You can search in the archives for the blow by blow details of how it actually happened. I spoke with Bev Harris only a few times, as most of my contacts with her organization were through Andy Stephenson (who is no longer affiliated with her group). I have been out of the loop recently due to my father's health (update: he passed in March of 2005), so what I am about to share must be taken in that context.

Bev Harris seemed to be someone who cared about election fraud investigation. Her group was able to raise money for their FOIA requests by also mentioning the New Hampshire recount (despite the fact the only support they provided was participation in a press conference with Ralph Nader), which caused a great deal of problems for fund raising efforts to cover the cost of the recount in New Hampshire as people thought they had already "helped" by giving her group money instead of the Nader campaign. I do not believe the confusion generated by the tie-in between Black Box Voting and the New Hampshire recount was "on purpose" but more in the nature of a really chaotic time, with things changing on a minute by minute basis. In short, I do not think the confusion was intended as deception.

As I said, BBV contributed ZERO SUPPORT to efforts to investigate fraud in New Hampshire, despite repeated requests for someone from their organization to help. At one point, it looked like we were going to have someone there to analyze the data they had requested with their FOIA request, but that person never showed up for reasons which have NEVER been explained; to the best of my knowledge, the data has not been collected at this point, or analyzed for any patterns of error. I am NOT happy about this.

In the early weeks following the election, Bev and her crew were active in Florida. A public posting on original signed machine tapes being found in a trash bag was made by Bev Harris and supported by testimony from Andy Stephenson, who was also a witness to the events which were all caught on video tape (per the public posting). If true, this was evidence of criminal conduct, and would have provided the excuse required for the Kerry team to unleash their resources. I personally had several conversations with skeptical people who were within one or two degrees of separation from the top people on the Kerry team who bluntly stated they needed to see the purported evidence for support to be forthcoming. Keith Olbermann, one of the few respected journalists covering the election fraud investigation, also had his producers request more information on the topic from the BBV team, to no avail.

To date, this "evidence" of criminal conduct has not been made available to the public despite repeated requests by myself and numerous other respected members of the voter fraud investigation community. The opportunity that was lost because of this can not be calculated, and the damage to our democracy as a result is intolerable. And yes, there are Kinkos in Florida, as well as people who can easily be found who can copy videotape, and anyone who wants to pretend the "Votergate" people wouldn't have provided it if some pressure from BBV was applied is working hard at playing dumb; I'm not interested in arguing the point.

BBV is not equipped to prosecute criminal activity; that is not within the scope of their charter, nor should anyone expect them to do so. If BBV actually has evidence of the kind they PUBLICLY claimed, at this point I believe THEY should be prosecuted for conspiracy after the fact for covering it up and/or not revealing it. (Did I mention I'm a little pissed off? I've watched the recount deadline for state after state pass by, with little that could be done because of a lack of financial and human resources -- problems which could have been easily remedied if one person had displayed better judgment -- and I'm not talking Kerry!)

I believe Bev Harris had good intentions; unfortunately, perhaps due to exhaustion, she has displayed some amazingly BAD judgment. For example, at one point volunteers from Common Cause were recruited to collect the FOIA requests from each of the counties in Florida (as opposed to three people driving to each one of them). Only one detail had to be worked out -- getting them the checks so they could pick stuff up. (Training and documentation had already been taken care of by another person.) Ms. Harris did not have time to address the funding issue, but she did have "time" to personally drive around the state of Florida for days instead. In my not-so-humble educated opinion, setting her and her team up in one place, and bringing the information to be analyzed to her while using the opportunity to train more people in the analysis skills (on what to look for) would have been a better use of her time; unfortunately, Ms. Harris did not agree, and another opportunity was lost.

It takes a lot of work to alienate as many people as BBV has done, but Bev Harris has displayed a remarkable skill when it comes to doing so. The public "incident" with Andy Stephenson consumed valuable time, and drained energy from an important ongoing investigation, while the public debacle with Keith Olbermann was so unnecessary as to be ridiculous. To say that Ms. Harris is lacking in common sense people skills would be an understatement.

Furthermore, instead of having investigations occur in fifty states (which her FOIA requests would have created: volunteers were mobilized to assist with it, and funding for which was available), she haphazardly investigated only some sections of Florida, did a little work in Washington, and nothing in any other part of the country.

I am a small business owner, and I have learned a great deal in the years I have run my company. It takes more than just being good at one thing to oversee a large project successfully; I have to be a manager, good with the public, able to collect funds, take care of my books, as well as the thousand and one details the government requires of me for the privilege of working for myself. The most important skill of all, however, is prioritizing my time and resources. If I don't display that critical ability, it doesn't matter how talented a database developer I am, because my business will fail.

Ms. Harris has made critical mistakes in the last two months; she over promised and under delivered. While I am sure her intentions were the best, she did not manage available resources in a fashion that would have benefited this country for decades to come. Some people work hard, and some people work smart. Ms. Harris worked hard, but not smart. I am NOT impressed with her or her organization, and would recommend anyone interested in fixing the voting system in this country look elsewhere if they wish for effective and competent leadership in this ongoing effort.

Some people may find my indictment of Ms. Harris' incompetence harsh; I am sharing my opinion, based on my experience, and people may ignore it or not as pleases them. I will add only this to my report:

At a certain point, TRYING isn't enough. If you can't DO IT, get out of the way so someone else can instead.

Regards,
Ida M. Briggs
www.invisibleida.com

[Loonman]

1. She made us look like fools

A pox on her house and 10 generations of her descendants.

[Stephanie]

2. Oh GEEZ, is she BACK?

How many times do we have to throw water on that witch? I had hoped never to hear her name again. She is a detriment to everything we stand for, and I mean EVERYTHING, especially compassion and humanity, and all I'd like to know is whose payroll is she on, because she's hurt the voting rights movement almost as much as she hurt Andy.

[IdaBriggs]

8. I hope not. Those who weren't around back then (or weren't paying

attention) wouldn't have any way of knowing what went on -- and she can certainly put on a good show! When a post about her being on the radio made it to the 'greatest' page, I decided it was time to dig this one out of the archives.

[MrBenchley]

3. Good post...

Thanks.

[sui generis]

4. wasn't she also later posting on free republic?

or some such - I dimly remember something like that in the various storms of that time.

Ida, here's what disturbed me about the whole thing:

When someone starts out so gung ho to change the system and then has the smoking gun in her hands, what on earth could have thrown her off track?

Something is missing here, whether it is a sanity check, the evidence was manufactured or she was "persuaded" not to. It's hard to draw a straight line between those dots, even though they seem so close together.

It does seem in the final analysis that her reasons for not sharing the "smoking gun" were that it never really existed. As we both know from people who "work hard pretending to be dumb", pretending to be a flake goes a long ways towards being successfully viewed as one.

I agree with your assessment that she should have been investigated.

Here's where another line between two dots requires tin foil: if the U.S. government knew for sure that it was manufactured, it would have been in the newly republican administration's best interest to use it to discredit all of us by association, in very public court and scrutiny, yet they didn't.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

[IdaBriggs]

5. Yes, she was talking to them about fraud in Washington.

To be fair, the Washington governor's race came down to "who cheated best" from what I've heard from sources I consider reliable. Still, she wasn't getting anymore money from the DU folks, so she went where the money was, and they forked it over for a while, so she officially "took" everyone -- an equal opportunity money machine, if you will. Sigh...

[Stephanie]

7. She also egged them on and assisted them in attacking Andy

May she rot in hell.

[IdaBriggs]

9. I haven't forgotten. I haven't forgotten ANY OF IT.

Grrrr......

But my above post was more about the "election fraud investigation" and how she was ZERO help, and less about her ... I can not even find the words -- personality problems?

[mopinko]

12. that's what i say- hmmmm

did more to paint election fraud as a tinfoil hat issue than anyone.

[EFerrari]

13. When I talked to her, she was out of control. Just because she is a

manipulator, it doesn't mean that she's sane.

Did she start out to change the system? It looks to me that she started out running from tax debt and tried to reinvent herself in WA state. Which is difficult if you keep behaving in the same way that got you into trouble in the first place.

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Yes

I was around when she was doing that. Wasn't she blaming the democrats for fraud too?

[Stephanie]

6. The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten

The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[crispini]

10. K&R.

Ida, you did a lot back in those dark days, and you were always nothing but a competent, consummate, professional.

Sadly, this story needs to be retold and retold so that new people will realize what they are getting into if they choose to support Bev.

[EFerrari]

11. There is a special hell waiting for Bev Harris.

She's not only incompetent but she's also vicious. She couldn't tell the truth to save her life and she's got the ethics of sink scum.

It's a measure of how unbalanced she is, that after ripping off DU AND stalking at least respected members here, she keeps trying to come back here and rehabilitate herself.

I will never ever forget what this horrible witch did to Andy, even weeks before he died. How she sat there at FR, slandering him and encouraging his stalkers. Bevy Harris will never eat lunch in this town again and Jim March would do well to find a less toxic associate.

:puke::puke::puke:

[goclark]

14. I hear you Ida but

I don't want to take time to beat up on a fellow Democrat.

I would rather spend time beating up on the real enemy, DIEBOLD, ROVE and Company.

To the best of my knowledge Bev Harris did not steal the votes, the real enemy did.

PEACE and may we all join in honoring Andy by our deeds.


Let's go get DIEBOLD, today!:headbang:

[Stephanie]

17. She is NOT a Democrat

She is a proud Freeper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=100516

[goclark]

41. Whatever she is I don't think Rove would be happy

that she called attention to a little problem with the Voting.


I am not trying to start a flame war at all.

I just want the problem of voting fraud solved.


It is too important an issue to let Bev or anyone else stop the show.

PEACE

[tavalon]

49. No he would love it

because she is so obviously a scam artist that she paints the whole fraud issue with a sense that it isn't any more legitimate than she is. She is his dream come true. The only thing that would be better is if no one was talking about the issue but that isn't happening so he's happy to have this crazy harpy out there making the rest of us look bad.

[Stephanie]

54. Rove would be delighted that she's done so much to discredit the movement

She has done more damage to the cause than Rove could ever do, and I'm sure he'd be delighted to cut her a check to further her "work". If you want to be seen as a tinfoil conspiracy nut, just associate yourself with Bev Harris. Promise that hard evidence is just around the corner, big news, a scoop! Beg for just a little more money to get the job done. Then don't account for your fundraising in any way. Explain that the audit is in the mail. Meanwhile hire a monkey to hack the software in a public demonstration. Because that makes the voting rights movement look serious and respectable. Rove LOVES Bev Harris, I have no doubt.

[goclark]

56. In no way am I or have I ever been associated with Bev

all I am saying is do we fight Bev or Diebold?

[Stephanie]

58. Bev and Diebold are on the same team

that's all I'm saying -

[goclark]

59. I hear you but Diebold is a bigger target

and in my brain, Bev mixes up the message.

DU understands about Bev and her involvement but try to explain that to Joe Average.


I recall Bev being on a major news program and talking about how the machines were rigged.

People at DU were so excited that finally the message about the stolen election was getting out.

At the time, I didn't have any idea who Bev Harris even was ~ but after that TV show any Democrat that watched it would "think" she was on our side.


IMO, What Joe Average needs to hear is "DIEBOLD and GWBush stole the elections!"

I can just see the Republicans now with little Bev "Swift Boat" bandages on their faces.

If we keep our eye on the prize ~ the prize is 2006 and getting those machines out of every state and paper ballots, we can win this country back.

PEACE

[Stephanie]

61. that program was before Bev's secret qui tam settlement was revealed

the settlement that prevented the evidence against Diebold in CA from ever being revealed. Yes, DU used to follow and support Bev. Then we learned the truth. She does us no favors meddling in election reform. Bev needs to sit down and shut up. And it would be nice if she'd reveal what she did with our donations, but I won't hold my breath. Maybe the WA state atty gen'l can look into that.

[IdaBriggs]

24. I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, Bev played "enabler"

for the criminals. Please don't mistakenly think she is a Democrat. She is whatever helps her collect money.

[kansasblue]

15. I met Bev in Washington DC. And I followed her work but......

DU has openned my eyes.

[Stephanie]

18. I used to support her too

Until I got to know her.

[troubleinwinter]

16. Bev HARMS our movement

The top elections official from a very large California county (a personal friend who is adamantly fighting against Diebold/black box and is PRO-Voter Verified paper ballot/random recount/proper auditing) told me that Bev has DISCREDITED the movement among California's elections officials. They have all seen her in action and think she is a complete nutcase who ends up doing the opposite of promoting VVPBs.

We need as many election officials on our side as we can get. She scuttles that by her ugly antics.

I don't have words for what a despicable person she is, given how she has smeared and harmed so many good people.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Exactly!

All people have to do is look at the stuff she has done to other people etc. and it'd make people really question everything. Whether or not fraud happens. This is why the messenger is important. I trust John Conyers and BradBlog more than I would her.

[rman]

19. Bev is not the issue, election fraud is

If all info that comes from/via Bev/BBV, is false (because she makes mistakes, hurts our cause or whatever) - then there's no such thing as election fraud.
But clearly there is such a thing as election fraud, regardless of suspicions about Bev/BBV.
So let's focus on election fraud and evidence thereof.

[IdaBriggs]

22. In my opinion, Bev *is* an issue, because she wants to be one.

If you read my post, you would have learned she either a) lied about or b) withheld critical evidence of a criminal act.

Bev Harris has no place in any legitimate discussion of election fraud.

[rman]

25. As i suggested: don't pay to much attention to her

As far as i can see Bev is not typically a topic in discussions about election fraud.

She might become a topic if people bring her up often enough.
You help making her a topic.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Oh yes she is

The messenger is important. If someone is so tainted with the issue and all she has done people might not trust whether or not it happens or not. Look at us with Bush and the neocons. We don't trust them (and for good reason) so it could be the same way with her. John Conyers is a better messenger.

[troubleinwinter]

36. Indeed!!!!

She has done a lot to wreck the movement's credibility with many of our strongest and most important potential allies... the election officials themselves.

[rman]

37. There are many other sources besides BBV

In fact BBV isn't very often referred to as a source. It used to, but not anymore - not very often anyway.
It is now, but that's exceptional - as it is exceptional for the occurrence of several simultaneous threads that contribute to discounting BBV as a source all together, and that distract from the actual issue: election fraud.

Alternative sources abound in the DU Election Reform forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[dpbrown]

20. Thank you, Bev Harris

Saving our democracy is a lot more important than whether or not you piss a few people off on a discussion board.

[IdaBriggs]

23. Did you read the post or just the title?

Bev Harris either a) lied about or b) withheld critical evidence of a criminal event. She has no place in any legitimate discussion of election fraud investigation. She is someone who uses an important issue -- election fraud -- as a fund raising ploy for her own interests.

If you are truly interested in helping to "save our democracy", there are MANY groups of COMPETENT PEOPLE who possess both credibility and integrity -- two traits you will NOT find with Ms. Harris (at least in my own personal experience).

[dpbrown]

40. Bev is the face of fighting black box voting

None of the allegations by people who don't like her were proven, so they could be lies themselves. I don't know. I know what she did. For that, I salute her for fighting to protect democracy. For all I know, the people who are seeking to undermine her work for Diebold. That's the way it is in anonymous land.

[symbolman]

46. RIGHT

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people from MULTIPLE BOARDS who dismissed her or KICKED HER OUT are all working for DIEBOLD.

Thanks for the Insult, wish I could return the favor but I've got a little bit more class than that, plus I'm sane.

[LittleClarkie]

48. I think that honor goes to Rep. John Conyers, actually

At least I've heard from him this last year.

Where has Little Ms. Nixonian been lately, anyway?

[BlueIris]

52. Posts LC, so I don't have to.

The people who get the credit for investigating, substantiating, and promoting awareness about voter fraud should be the ones who are intelligent, honest, skilled AND effective. I can't call Harris an orchestrator or a perpetrator exactly, but the net result of her fuck ups, whatever their motivations or cause may have been, is tragic. Just tragic. I'm not inclined to give any points for effort here.

[tavalon]

50. Thank goodness you aren't right in this assertion

She used to be prominent but no more. She fights to protect her pocketbook and not much else.

[IdaBriggs]

55. Uh, NO, she is NOT the face of fighting black box voting for ANY OF US

who are actually involved in doing it. I was there, I am not lying, my name is not anonymous, and you can do a google search to read all about the interviews I gave to legitimate journalists if you don't have the time to do a DU archival search of what REALLY happened (including Bev's public postings HERE ON DU where she either a) lied about criminal behavior, or b) withheld crucial evidence that would have helped send people to JAIL). It is your choice -- play stupid, or play with the grown-ups.

But do not insult me with your ignorance when the truth is out there for anyone with eyes to see.

:shrug:

[Kelvin Mace]

28. Amazing how people ignore facts

A person lies and scams people out of money and that is fine with you as long as they LOOK like they are doing something you approve of.

[dpbrown]

39. BBV will destroy democracy like Stalin said

If someone is effective in fighting BBV, more power to them.

[Kelvin Mace]

62. Again

you place yoruself on hte side of someone scamming people for money, not "saving democracy"

[LittleClarkie]

47. So how did she do amid the freaks and geeks on Coast to Coast?

Has she gotten any offers to tell her story to the Weekly World News yet?

[symbolman]

21. Ida, have I told you I loved you today?

I want people to try and realize something and I hear this a lot..and it's Bullshit.

It goes like this, "You need to look at the bigger picture and let those that are working on it do their job.." This is insane. It's unfair to those who have been screwed and it also shows the "dark" side of Progressives. Or the idiocy.

We were heavily involved in the Electronic Voting scene, even made a film about it, spent a year doing it.. and it broke my back, my bank account,& my poor wife's heart, and we still haven't recovered.

The film has been marketed poorly for a long time without any permission from all parties involved, especially US, even copyrighted by another person while we sat there stunned. We did the Majority of the research, it was our idea, it had our name all over it in numerous trailers, we sank thousands into the printing,replication, travel and were marketing it before it "ran off" - with websites, individuals who are HUGE in the Progressive community, but had to back off and wait for legal actions to be fulfilled.

We heard that same line from a lot of people. Now. Imagine if someone stole your car and everyone said, "You need to look at the bigger picture, people NEED transportation and that means the person who stole your car does too.. so you need to just roll over. Your car, and payments you have to continue to make while the carjacker cruises around are not important in the BIG PICTURE."

Meanwhile we're still paying heavy interest charges on credit cards, we're STILL PAYING for that film, in many ways. Our site sat neglected during this period going down from the top 60,000 sites as we expected to recoup our investment at minimum and do the whole COUNTRY a favor, fighting for the most important thing in America - the right for your vote to be counted.

To say, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.." when the bathwater is nothing but a vat of baby SHIT makes no sense at all.

People that screw people should not be rewarded.

You should HEAR the show where Randi Rhodes CUT HARRIS TO RIBBONS, you should READ the threads where Harris threatened to SUE the DU over her BBV "trademark", which was not possible legally in the first place. I watched TONS Of people hand over what some thing may be a MILLION dollars to someone that didn't even have a PRODUCT, or never SOLVED anything, yet kept screaming "SMOKING GUN, SMOKING GUN" preying on people's REAL NEEDS to WANT Bush OUT.. something a CONMAN does.

It was sickening and the DU was not the only Place.. Bartcop tossed her out, she was an object of derision at KOS, ATRIOS, etc.. I have a lobbyist pal (my wife's college friend) who said that Harris was a "Laughing Stock" in Washington DC...

The Book she "wrote" was assembled (okay, so she assembled it, but not without the help of David Skinner - the other David Skinner, the REAL BBV.COM) from Research done right HERE ON THE DU..

I get sick just thinking about anyone believing her, and she LIED on Randi's show when Andy had been FIRED and she pretended NOT TO KNOW while it sat on her own WEBSITE, backed up with a group of people, the board of directors who were her FRIENDS AND FAMILY, a LOT of her Family.

Dropping Andy like a ROCK right after he'd gotten back from his own sister's funeral and finding out he had cancer himself is an OUTRAGE, UNCIVILIZED and lower than Whale Shit.

I created THIS flash for Andy when he died, HE I RESPECTED. SHE can go piss up a rope.. and most people here know that *I* am not a Mean or Viscious guy, you have to really torque me off to get me to say these things about anyone, like Bev did to so many..

Here's for Andy:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20050710095608538

For Bev. Nothing. No Respect, no money and I really do wish someone would find out where all that money went.

WE CANNOT demand accountability and MORALITY if WE don't DO IT Ourselves. We have to be the GOOD GUYS to Beat the BAD GUYS.

[IdaBriggs]

26. Love you, too, Symbolman! You and Julie totally ROCK!!!

That flash is wonderful -- it moved me to tears, and then helped me remember to stay mad.

I'm sorry for what happened to you folks; it was wrong, and you didn't deserve it, yet you continue to teach and inspire because you NEVER give up.

Thank you for that. Thank you very, very, very much.

:hug: :rock:

[Stephanie]

35. thanks for that! right to the point

I think you mean David Allen, not David Skinner. Kelvin Maice is David Allen and DU's Skinner is also David Allen - no relation. :)

[jbnow]

53. I have to say

if she really can "piss up a rope" I have to respect her in an odd way.

You can't donate to everything, I did not donate to bev and later I was very glad.

She could have been a crazy bitch but if she had real accomplishments in 04 there would be some respect, even if she can't piss up a rope.
But all she did was...tell stories with no follow through. That bag of the real votes, so exciting, that we never heard more about. Stories.

I don't know her tie in what happened to Andy at the end, I do know he was fired and put down when he went to see his dying sister,

My heart sure goes out to his parents, that is way too much loss.

[IdaBriggs]

57. Andy was the latest "technical" person in her crew. (She eats them up.)

She can be a "challenging" person to deal with, which translates to "abusive" and I know from talking to Andy that he got tired of it. Anyway, he went to his sister's funeral, was sick with what turned out to be cancer, she spent a lot of time screaming at him for not being in Florida helping instead (despite the fact she was ignoring the offers of assistance from a whole lot of people, including well respected Common Cause), then fired him a few weeks later ON A MESSAGE BOARD with a bunch of slander -- he found out he was no longer employed (I think) when she was talking on a radio show that he had been scheduled to go on. (Andy was a very personable fellow, and Bev is not; one theory is that her professional jealous of his publicity was helping to cause "problems" between them.) She refused to pay him the back wages that were due, kept his computer equipment, slandered him left and right, and then got her new freeper friends to do everything they could to interfere with his cancer treatment by making phone calls claiming his cancer was just a hoax to get money. (Funds were being raised to cover his medical treatment since he had no insurance.) Their harassment literally delayed his surgery and treatment by (I think) between four to eight weeks, which with pancreatic cancer was pretty much a death sentence. That doesn't even include the stress this type of personal attack caused him.

It was despicable. :mad:

[TrogL]

64. I offered some minor technical assistance

and basically got abused for my trouble.

The nascient lawyer in me prevents me from saying anything further.

[jbnow]

77. Thanks for your answer

I am a fan of yours and though the results of the recount weren't what was expected I am grateful for your time and work. It was a worthy cause.

I was here during all of this since the election, donated to Andy's cause too and grieved the outcome.

Once in a while I did follow a link to where freepers were bashing him. I couldn't stand it. Why should they even care if we were being scammed and why did one thing have to be proved to them?
I do recall the PayPal delay, just didn't know bev was related to that part.
I didn't care what they thought but I hated Andy being hurt.

You know I wish it was a wrong diagnosis. It all went so fast from Andy not feeling well to looking for care to the hope of the surgery to being gone.

[symbolman]

69. I was making a FILM about electronic voting fraud

spent a YEAR doing it (a decision is being handed down on it soon as to who has ownership, that's why we haven't talked about it much) and we interviewed EVERYONE involved in the subject, as well as doing a TON of research, etc - so we KNOW a LOT about it.. hopefully we'll get to release a FILM that everyone will love and will explain a LOT about what happened and before..

and I will be the first to say that if Harris had come up with ONE THING that was believeable I would have invited her to tell her story.. but she never did..

BUT then when she fired Andy and then acted all surprised when asked on AIr America Radio LIVE why he was fired by Randi Rhodes, that it was RIGHT THERE on the front page of her website that's when I LOST IT and never would believe a single word out of her mouth..

Some things can be forgiven, and that was only ONE of the many BIZARRE things she did, you could write a BOOK about all of her BS like War and Peace thickness..

okay so piss up a rope is sexist and nasty, I apologise for that.. there is a lot of emotional baggage attached to that name and most people are sick of talking about it, until we see a bright eyed FOOL saying SHE has ANY Credentials as a human being.

I'd leave the planet to avoid that person.

[jbnow]

76. I didn't know her

but I was here reading since last election and saw it all go down. I wasn't defending her at all.

When I first heard of her she seemed to promise much but it was all hot air as far as what she produced. Firing Andy in the way she did or reason she did was horrible.

I hope your film can come out soon. Thanks for your work.

I've never heard the term piss up a rope and found it unique and funny. I didn't mean to make light of the issues around her by saying I'd admire her if she could piss up a rope. I just was amused (not offended) by the phrase, while she is offensive and not amusing.

[symbolman]

78. I must be getting old

using colloquialisms that no one understands anymore, but sound intriguing :)

That's like my grand mother wanting to "trip the light fantastic".. when I heard that I thought, "oh no! She's been into my Stash!" (at 16) when it actually means to Dance Wonderfully or with gusto..

Funny, when in college I discovered a book of English words that were no longer in use, and I don't mean like Beowulf old english, I mean since like the late 1700's on.. it was fascinating, always wanted to write a poem using them, just to mess with people's heads.. like, "Hmm.. that sounds familiar but I don't know why.. wonder what language that is?" :)

Yeah, like I said most people are sick of talking about Harris, but when they do the blood boils sometimes .. I just wish someone would investigate her finances and see what comes up, then make it public, you never know, maybe her books are on the up and up and she could try and redeem herself..

But that would take a lot of work as reanimating Andy and apologising to him for the next 200 years would take her a LONG time..

I wasn't mad at you, hope you didn't get that from my post.. the english language, especially posting makes it so hard to be satirical, wry, droll, etc, etc.. my apologies if I freaked you out somewhat..

[katinmn]

79. That flash is a wonderful tribute.

Can't believe this is the first time I've seen it. Thanks for providing the link again.

Andy's passion for the cause of election reform left a permanent mark on so many of us. This is one issue we will NEVER compromise on.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Could I get some assistance on

this flyer I am taking to a Diebold demo today?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2311690&mesg_id=2311690

[symbolman]

34. Publish my book

and I'll help you :)

Wait, you published Harris's book.. Eeewwwww.. ;)

[Kelvin Mace]

63. Hey, that was before I knew the real Bev

and it cost me an arm and a leg.

[symbolman]

66. I know ol' buddy

I was just yanking your chain, no harm meant - I think my wife went to that link and offered to help you out, at least that's what she told me..

Did it go okay?

Wonder if DU'rs would want a SYMBOLMAN book?

[Kelvin Mace]

70. I haven't forgotten

just trying to finish out a dismal year and regroup.

[symbolman]

73. Me too

we're expecting to hear a Formal Ruling on that movie deal so we're on tenterhooks on that, I mean we could hear in hours now.. plus I broke a rib and that shut me up for about three weeks - creating the Fitzmas tree, the "Rove's War" film, trying to bring in money to run the show so we don't have to shut it all down and get McJobs..

I hope all is well with you, and if we get a good ruling we'll send some FILM folks your way like we discussed :)

[Gregorian]

29. Thanks. Some of us needed this.

I was lurking, and watching the phenomenon. I didn't know what was going on. I needed to have someone explain what happened. I saw here bounced from Bartcop. I saw the same here.

Let me say what I think is most important. Some of us are not as bright as some of you. I am constantly frustrated at my stupidity. I read and read and read. And it seems to flow right out of my head. And therein lies the importance of these forums. As a group of diverse people, we are able to learn. And we can then take this into our communities and spread the knowledge.

There is nothing worse than being half armed with facts. It has taken me four years of these forums to even get to a basic understanding of politics and history.

Thank you. I needed this. And thank you to Symbolman for his contribution.

Thanks to some of the people in these forums, we will finally begin to make changes.

[FreedomAngel82]

30. Thank you for the history

I wasn't around for a lot of what happened so it's nice to have a refresher of what happened.

[Zhade]

38. Her hate helped kill Andy by delaying his treatment.

I will NEVER forgive her for that - her OR her freeper friends who got Paypal to delay the funds for his surgery.

[elehhhhna]

42. She'sa frigging double agent. Face it. She takes money wherever

she can grab it and Carlyle Group probably owns her ass lock, stock & barrel.

If anybody's seen here lately--has she moved? Bought/sold property? New car?

She was a very, very effective DISTRACTION.

Follow the money.

[stickdog]

43. Who is worse: Bev or the DLC?

Bev DEFINITELY isn't perfect, but I support her efforts whenever they help to publicize the problem of BBV.

[tavalon]

51. She's a con man

or con woman. She brings no credibility to the cause and in fact hurts it because people see how inappropriate and plain crazy she acts and decide that the cause can't be any more credible than she is. Bev Harris = zero credibility therefore, BBV issues = zero credibility. It isn't rational but it's a human tendency. That in a nutshell is why she must be removed from this cause, preferably via a jail cell.

[stickdog]

65. How about execution? I'd suggest poisoning her with bird flu,

but you know how contagious that might someday get be.

[eppur_se_muova]

44. Thanks for reposting, however painful. Not only are some of use new...

to this whole business, but I, for one, learned about blackboxvoting.org *before* I learned about DU...fortunately, bbv struck me as kind of strangely organized which kept me at a distance, so no great amount of deprogramming was necessary.

[nicknameless]

45. It's a freaking double-edged sword.

I want nothing more than to see the vote-stealing machines dumped. When I send links to articles, I try like hell to avoid hers.
Her reputation is mud, but unfortunately, she's still too involved in this issue. (Regardless of the fact that her main concern is self-glorification and self-enrichment.)
She was involved in the Harri Hursti test in Florida.
She filed a 19202 Request last June to test Diebold machines and components in California. McPherson is in violation of that section of the CA Election Code. To my knowledge, no one else has filed a 19202 Request.

I want to send CA Dem leaders related info -- but it is extremely difficult to keep BBV.org out of the discussion.
I wish that weren't the case.

[goclark]

60. Good points, whatever works to keep DIEBOLD out

and paper ballots in.

[nicknameless]

67. Exactly.

I hope that their current problems escalate and blow the lid off of this issue.
... And may the shrapnel hit all of the paid-off repugs and DINOs.

;)

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. OK here is something I have always wondered

What did Bev think when Andy died? Did she ever say anything? Did she send his mom a sympathy card? Did she post anything on any of the numerous web sites she frequented to indicate she had ANY sympathy or felt even a little bit bad about what happened to him?

I realize this is probably a pipe dream. But I wanted to be a fly on the wall in Bev's world when she got the news that Andy had died. I was hoping it would be a jolt to her conscience. IF she had anything to do with all that nastiness that delayed his surgery (and I suspect she probably did) I was hoping she felt a bit of guilt. But then, she could be one of the ones who believes he is on an island in the South Pacific right now. :eyes:

[Stephanie]

71. She had no compassion for Andy. She continued to torment him.

It really really hurt him and he was already suffering so much. He never got his laptop back. She never paid him what she owed him. She was not at the service. I don't know if she sent a card but if she did I doubt Termite would open it. Andy thought she wanted him to die. Can you imagine?

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. No I really can't imagine

having no heart.

[Stephanie]

72. Here she is egging them on at FR >

There were other threads that were deleted and who knows what she did by email etc. But these posts survive the FR purge. These are from threads dedicated to persecuting Andy. The sickest behavior I have ever seen in my life. Bev joined right in.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=100516


DUmmie FUnnies 05-26-05 ("My blog is under assault by the graveyard rats" ---Pitt)
Posted by BevHarris to franksolich
On Bloggers & Personal 05/27/2005 7:55:44 AM PDT · 126 of 1,014

If one has a perfectly valid social security number, and of course is undeniably an American citizen, why would one get a second social security number?

I am equally interested in this line of questioning.

By the way, in the State of Washington the SS # is required to start a bank account, get a safe deposit box, and for obtaining a UBI number on a sole proprietorship. Not all states require the SS# for safe deposit boxes, however.

Also, at one time, I was investigating an embezzlement and learned while tracing bank account transactions in Florida that (at least at that time) Florida banks were a pretty great place to start hard-to-trace accounts and impossible-to-trace safe deposit boxes.

I've been looking into these matters more recently, of course, for the investigation Black Box Voting is doing on the money trail behind voting machine procurement and use. Thought it might be of interest in your quest for the truth.
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DUmmie FUnnies 05-17-05 ("I'm pretty upset right now, and I need an explanation" ---Pitt)
Posted by BevHarris to speed_addiction
On Bloggers & Personal 05/19/2005 11:25:19 PM PDT · 2,856 of 4,575

whoops, last one I promise.

>Bev, Andy said yesterday when he called me that there was a matter of $33,000 between you and him. He said you stiffed him on it. BS? I felt it was.

Good Golly Miss Molly. $33,000? From what? I shall breathlessly await documentation or substantiation of any kind on that. It is interesting that such an "amount owed" would never be mentioned to a single member of the board, nor ever put in a letter of any kind, but instead asserted over the phone to a complete stranger? Well, while clarifying everything else, perhaps someone can ask him to clarify: Is this amount owed from me personally, Bev Harris? Is it owed from Black Box Voting Inc.? What exactly is it supposed to be for?

I'm wondering what category of compensation could possibly qualify under nonprofit law. You can't just go passing out extraneous compensation. Did he explain how he came up with this amount? Bizarre.

That is a hoot, but it is also very irritating.

Thanks, speed_addiction, for passing this along.

Bev

[proud2BlibKansan]

75. extraneous compensation?

LOL what a bitch.

[Kelvin Mace]

80. Not an ounce of guilt

and she got ROYALLY pissed when people accused her of treating Andy poorly.

[liberalnurse]

81. I hope she had a seizure.....

:smoke:

[Kelvin Mace]

82. Try as I might

I can't wish that on her. I only wish that one day she will be judged by the same criteria she has judged other people.

[Timefortruth]

83. Where did she land?

Who is she bamboozling now that the liberal blogs are on to her?