Little Lord Pissypants is screwing with us bigtime! Lookie here!!!

[fooj]

Here's what the rat bastard had to say in April 2004! He spoke in Buffalo regarding the Patiot Act. The lying SOB KNOWS he broke the law!

http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=33849&keyword=wiretap&phrase=&contain=

<snip>

Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

But a roving wiretap means-it was primarily used for drug lords. A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones. And so he'd start changing cell phones, which made it hard for our DEA types to listen, to run down these guys polluting our streets. And that changed, the law changed on-roving wiretaps were available for chasing down drug lords. They weren't available for chasing down terrorists, see? And that didn't make any sense in the post-9/11 era. If we couldn't use a tool that we're using against mobsters on terrorists, something needed to happen.

The Patriot Act changed that. So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use what's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies.

Thirdly, to give you an example of what we're talking about, there's something called delayed notification warrants. Those are very important. I see some people, first responders nodding their heads about what they mean. These are a common tool used to catch mobsters. In other words, it allows people to collect data before everybody is aware of what's going on. It requires a court order. It requires protection under the law. We couldn't use these against terrorists, but we could use against gangs.

<snip>

Unbelievable. What a pathological piece of crap! Lie, lies and more lies...

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

Peace.

[beam me up scottie]

1. Great work!!!

:applause:

Recommended!

[Rosemary2205]

3. unfreakingbelievable

we need the video on this speech on every TV news in America. - won't happen but it's the right thing to do.

If I had the post count to recommend I would.

[tulsakatz]

7. that's ok.........I nominated it too! n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

24. Welcome to DU

I will recommend it for you :hi:

[hwmnbn]

71. Hi Rosemary2205, welcome to DU.....

:hi: You joined at an exciting time!

[liveoaktx]

37. AUDIO-MP3 of the Roving Wiretap comments

Bush-I am not a lawyer-from CanOFun

[liveoaktx]

49. VIDEO of that exchange plus some press conf footage from yesterday

Patriot Talk April 20 2004

[NoSheep]

62. excellent link. Thanks for the info.

:puke:

[wakeme2008]

2. Nom.... good job nt

[eleny]

4. R&K

Send this via the DU media blitz and to Conyers!

[Jamastiene]

5. You caught him in a lie. It's time to impeach the son of a bitch.

Good work! If they can do one of ours in that way, then we oughta seriously start moving toward getting back at them.

[ClintonTyree]

27. Everyone has caught him in a lie at one time or another.......

the piece of shit does nothing BUT lie. This time, however, he's really got his dick caught in a wringer. There's no explaining his way out of this one, the hackneyed "everything changed after 9/11" isn't going to cut it here. He broke the law and then he lied about it. When forced to face the charges against him he admitted to them, showed absolutely no remorse for committing them and has said he will continue to break the law as he sees fit.
Yes, the idiot bastard son has finally gone too far. Far enough so that even the most ignorant red-stater must pay attention and cease supporting this petulant child.
bush has broken the law and admitted it. Federal Marshals should arrest him immediately.

[Jamastiene]

31. Couldn't agree with you more.

He actually seems proud of himself for breaking the law behind the backs of the American people. What else has he done that we haven't found out about yet? That's what I wonder.

[fooj]

47. He's pathological.

:grr:

[tulsakatz]

6. great find!!!

someone should send this to David Gregory so he can ask Scotty about it...........

[Barad Simith]

8. plz RECOMMEND and keep it KICKED!

This is HUGE!

Little Lord Pissypants cannot in any way justify the crimes of espionage against American citizens, now that his own words prove that those crimes had no value whatsoever in the fight against terrorism.

thanks fooj!

[fasttense]

9. Great research fooj. The chimp knows what he is doing is illegal.

In April 2004 in a speech in New York he said the government got court orders whenever they used a wiretap. What a freaking liar. "A wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way." Except that I decided that to spy on American citizens and political opponents using wiretaps without court orders. The man is compulsive about his lies.

[MrSlayer]

10. Oh My. Chimp's in a pickle.

Now how do we get this simple fact out in the open?

[hootinholler]

33. Thanks for that mental image,

NOT. Chimp in Pickles, OOgie oogie, I need a shower.

-Hoot

[xchrom]

11. k & r

[Skittles]

12. lying piece of shit

honestly, the mentality of people who would support bush after this - I shudder to think

[Fridays Child]

13. Let's all send this to Keith Olbermann and Jack Cafferty.

Anyone have their email addresses?

[Fridays Child]

15. Here's the email address for Countdown with Keith Olbermann...

[e-mail]

Does anyone have an address for Jack Cafferty?

[tulsakatz]

16. I just sent it to Olbermann............ n/t

[tulsakatz]

17. I think Cafferty's email is........

[e-mail]

I'm going by memory so I might be wrong but I think that's what it is.

[Fridays Child]

19. Thanks. I just sent it to the address you provided.

If it doesn't come back, we'll know it's a good address. :hi:

[beam me up scottie]

14. I'm going to post the link at Neural Gourmet.

Again, fooj, great work!

[Nothing Without Hope]

18. DUPE of this GD thread - and see the replies for additional goodies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643625
thread title (12/20 GD): April 2004: Bush tells audiences Wiretaps Require a Court Order

I'm glad to see it again - this important story is now on the Greatest page TWICE, so it's more likely to be seen. Also, it's in both GD and GD-P. This is good!

Be sure to read though the replies in the other thread - there's some good stuff there.

[fooj]

45. Thanks. I'm on my way...

Enough is enough.

Peace.

[fooj]

80. Gonzales LIED during his confirmation hearings, eh?

It never ends, does it?

Peace.

[malaise]

20. Should I laugh or cry

By the way I was watching BBC International news last night and I heard the 'I' word.

[mia]

21. roving wiretaps & prepaid cell phones

Do roving wiretaps work with prepaid, disposable cellphones?

Gossip has it that drug lords and DC staffers have had the means to avoid roving wiretaps for a while. Mobsters and other types of terrorists surely must use the prepaid cellphones too.


“I know this all sounds like a dime store novel but that’s the depth we’ve all sunk to around here,” says an aide who has worked in previous administrations as well as on the current White House staff.

One female staffer says working at the White House has gone from “the most exciting time of my life to a daily hell. You’re always being watched, always under suspicion, always second-guessed. I hate it now. I just want it to be over.”


How long before the average US citizen starts to feel this way?

[Surya Gayatri]

22. Great detective work, fooj...

Some fine blood-hound instincts there! May every filthy, rotten lie that's ever crossed his odorous lips come back and haunt him to hell!
:mad: :banghead: :argh: :grr:

[HeeBGBz]

23. k&r, Nice find. fooj!

I will share it.

[POAS]

25. Let's not overlook the semantic game being played

Bush has been very careful to slip into his "admissions" on the domestic spying story that they are doing "detecting" and NOT "monitoring".

I'm sure that this points to a technical detail that the administration hopes to exploit to avoid tripping over the Constitution and/or existing law.

[seafan]

39. Bush has said they were "monitoring", according to David Sirota.

snip

And so we're back to the same question: why did the President order domestic surveillance operations without even asking retroactively for warrants? In his press conference, Bush tried to ramrod the entire issue into one of him working to defend America, and critics supposedly being weak on national security. But he frontally refused to answer the very simple question when a reporter put it to him:

QUESTION: Getting back to the domestic spying issue for a moment, according to FISA's own records, it's received nearly 19,000 requests for wiretaps or search warrants since 1979, rejected just five of them. It also operates in secret, so security shouldn't be a concern. And it can be applied retroactively. Given such a powerful tool of law enforcement is at your disposal, sir, why did you see fit to sidetrack that process?

BUSH: We used the process to monitor. But also, this is a different era, different war. It's a war where people are changing phone numbers and phone calls, and they're moving quick. And we've got to be able to detect and prevent. I keep saying that. But this is -- it requires quick action.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/bushs-need-for-speed-a_b_12550.html

Looks like he can't cover all of his tracks.

[POAS]

40. And yet at another point

Bush was careful to say that they didn't monitor but rather detected.

I'll have to find the transcript to be sure, I'm going by memory now. Probably a case of not keeping the lie straight.

[dutchdemocrat]

26. Got it up at Booman and Kos.

With link to whitehouse.gov and kudos to DU.

http://www2.boomantribune.com/user/ghandi/diary

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/20/64953/061

[rodeodance]

28. great find--we ALL need to media blast this!

[rodeodance]

29. and send to Keith Olbermann

[ClayZ]

30. Great Find!

:kick:

[zbdent]

32. Straight from the White House web site

First, the one you refer to; April 20, 2004 - http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html

And yesterday's speech; December 19, 2005 - http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-2.html

[NoSheep]

63. What a bunch of idiots.

[BamaBecky]

34. wow

[mzteris]

35. send this to Barbara Boxer

(see front page this am - Dec 20th)

[schmuls]

36. hee hee hee..."little lord pissy-pants!" I love it when you call him

that!

[wicket]

38. He's a dirty filthy liar

:grr:

[Boxerfan]

41. Game-Set-MATCH!

You are sooooo outa here!!!:patriot:

Nice find....Let's make sure the talking heads get a wiff ok?

[Boxerfan]

42. Game-Set-MATCH!

You are sooooo outa here!!!:patriot:

Nice find....Let's make sure the talking heads get a wiff ok?

[indigo32]

43. Kick

:kick:

[Oceansaway]

44. K&R

:kick:

[GreenPartyVoter]

46. I can barely understand what is being said here but enough so to

get that the beast has been lying. Again.

[dutchdemocrat]

48. I have the video

I found it.

Going to edit. Coming up soon.

[Maestro]

50. What a lying sack of shit!

Nothing too much more to say. Let's hope the MSM gets to balls to publicize this.

[understandinglife]

51. Great find, fooj!!!

Peace, my friend.

[Doctor_J]

52. I need a Bush-English dictionary

"A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones."

An idiot lives in the WH

[wickerwoman]

76. Me too...

I get nauseous just seeing the asshole and now even reading his dribble gives me a headache. Why didn't we impeach this jackass years and years ago? The problems in America start with Bush but they go soooo much deeper too.

[hiley]

53. fooj!

you are a peach
:yourock:

[guidod]

54. Nice job fooj

What Bush said in that speech says it all. I wonder if he know that Frist voted against the Patriot Act last week?

[dutchdemocrat]

55. PLEASE CHECK OUT THE VIDEO EVIDENCE!!!!

Thanks to Canofun and some other video I found.

We have some solid footage up!

http://www.chris-floyd.com/bush/

Comments welcome... and we need some text.

[guidod]

56. Ed Schultz just

played a piece of that speech on the Radio. The part talking about wire taps and how Bush respects the constitution. Once again, nice heads-up post.

[donkeyotay]

57. Here's another quote with no mention of the "big hurry" clause

From the 2nd debate btw Bush and Kerry:

Q President Bush, 45 days after 9/11, Congress passed the Patriot Act, which takes away checks on law enforcement, weakens American citizens' rights and freedoms, especially Fourth Amendment rights. With expansions of the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II, my question to you is, why are my rights being watered down and my citizens around me, and what are the specific justifications for these reforms?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes, I appreciate that. I really don't think your rights are being watered down. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't support it if I thought that. Every action being taken against terrorists requires a court order, requires scrutiny. As a matter of fact, the tools now given to the terrorist fighters are the same tools that we've been using against drug dealers and white-collar criminals. So I really don't think so. I hope you don't think that. I mean, I -- because I think whoever is the President must guard your liberties, must not erode your rights in America.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/10/20041009-2.html

And just for old time's sake, here's AG Ashcroft on you liberals whining about freedom:

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1098217027243

[Doctor_J]

58. I just sent this to Brian Williams

To: [e-mail]
Subj: Another lie from Mr. Bush

Dear Brian -

I am forwarding you a link to and some pertinent passages from a speech Mr. Bush gave in April 2004, with regards to his respect for the Constitution as it pertains to warrants for wiretaps. I know you won't investigate, since you've become nothing but a WH propaganda outlet, and it would certainly diminish your chances for another love fest with The Emperor next Christmas, but the few remaining real journalists will soon be running with it. In fairness to Mr. Bush, I am sure he's just repeating what he's told my Rove, but it's probably treason nonetheless. Have a nice evening, I won't be watching,

Jeff from Chicago

http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=33849&keyword=wiretap&phrase=&contain=

<snip>

" Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. ..."

Thanks, fooj!

[MsAnthropy]

59. My new favorite name for him: Little Lord Pissypants

:rofl:

[BrklynLiberal]

60. I sent this to Mike Malloy!! He'll know what to do with it.

:evilgrin:

[sellitman]

66. I want to hear Mike on this tonight.

I bet it's an "interesting show".

:popcorn:

[rucky]

78. He played the tape today - filling in for Randi. n/t

[SpiralHawk]

61. k & r fer sure

spread the word: BushCo lies

[SONUVABUSH]

64. He is

a lying Son of a Bush!

[Amonester]

65. Keepitkickedup! K & R - eom

[Straight Shooter]

67. Apparently bush is saying there's some communication technology out there

which Americans aren't aware of because it's too state-of-the-art, but the terrorists are aware of this high-tech innovation and actually using it, and so bush has decided to eviscerate the Fourth Amendment to "protect" us as he tries to snooker us into thinking that the terrorists actually have technology that we don't know about.

I have actually heard this argument, that he's protecting us because the current laws don't take into consideration the current state of technology available to the terrorists.

[Wordie]

68. GWB...the "dubya" stands for "wiretap" K&R n/t

[Maraya1969]

69. I saw the clips on the TV today. You must have tipped them off! Great

work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Digit]

70. Great find, fooj

:kick:

[K8-EEE]

72. 92nd Recommendation From Me THANKS!

For helping me kick an ignorant freeper's ASS with this!!!!!

[Justice Is Comin]

73. Fooj Fooj Fooj

You are are now certified to be officially on file at FISA. Nice grab. :thumbsup:

[fooj]

79. Truth is our most powerful weapon!

If spreading truth puts me on an official list...then so be it.

Peace.:patriot:

It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.- Thomas Paine

[Usrename]

74. Heads on pikes!!!

:kick:

[Spiffarino]

75. This story has been picked up all over the mass media

Ed Schultz had the sound clip, and the video was played on Hardball. Great detective work!

:kick:

[leftofthedial]

77. spying

and lying