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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:59 AM
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Poll question: If/when Kucinich leaves the primary, who would he endorse?
There's another thread afoot regarding how the Kucinich votes would split if he left the race. I think Kucinich has a long way to go still, maybe all the way to the convention "just" to make a point. In any case, while I give him zero odds of winning the primary, he still has the potential to endorse a candidate. I suspect this will have some effect on Kucinich voters.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:16 AM
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1. Thank God Kucinich is independent.
But in the end he will support the parties nominee. I am in no mood to compromise with any of the others..I listen to them and they do absolutely nothing for me. Only Sharpeton has a solution to our medical problems.
All the others would not reform our patchwork medical system,but make it even more expensive. I doubt any of Dennis contributors/workers are one bit discouraged. The cause is supreme.Edwards might have the highest personal integrity,but on issues he is certainly not attractive to me. I see the rest and their message just is such drivel compared to Dennis'. Dennis better stay in to the end to make this party's positions worth my time.
Anyone note last night MSNBC's panel including Buchanan said Kucinich had the highest score on debating points.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:20 AM
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2. DK has said he would not run except as a Dem, so I think he


will endorse the nominee. But he plans to be at the convention, with his delegates, and thinks he can be the choice of a brokered convention. He can certainly influence the platform if he has enough delegate.

Please, everyone vote for Kucinich in the primary if you want real change!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:26 AM
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3. Dennis should NOT endorse a prowar candidate
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 04:40 AM by IndianaGreen
It was a mistake to do so in Iowa, it would be an even bigger mistake for Dennis to not support Wes Clark or Howard Dean.

Endorsing Kerry would cast Kucinich in the role of a charlatan and demagogue, a Democratic Perot.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:48 AM
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6. if dean and clark dont make it they will endorse a prowar cannidate but
what is the deal w/clark i dont get it he is a fucking imperalist he is a Freetrader who supports the brutal thugs who enforce it i mean wes clark is a shill for the military industrial complex and is pro occupation along w/dean
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 08:00 AM
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8. Not Dennis, DEMOCRATS!
If this election is taken over by two pro-war candidates, everyone loses. Nobody BUT Dennis is truly anti-war, to believe otherwise is like believing anything GW said in his campaign. If the Democratic Party is NOT anti-war (well, of course they arent, but at the voter level at least) then you can have all the other distinctions, because those and the proverbial dime will buy you a cup of coffee in Hell.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 08:28 AM
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9. So you don't think Sharpton is "truly anti-war"? Only DK?
I've never seen Reverend Al say anything nice about war, especially this most recent one, but maybe I missed a crucial moment in one of the many debates? Truly, Al Sharpton is looking better to me by the day. He's pretty much like Kooch on the issues, but has more charisma, interviews well, and he's an awesome orator. No legislative or executive experience, but hell, maybe that really is overrated. If someone like Kathryn "job? what job?" Harris can do it, it's not any great shakes anyway.

Slap that donkey, Al! Slaaaap it all the way to the whitehouse!

Al should run for mayor of NYC next, get pretender bloomberg the hell out of there.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 08:34 AM
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10. excellent suggestion
yes, I fell into the trap of looking directly at the "major" candidates who seem to have the lions share of support here. Al certainly gets a lot of respect and play. I can only wonder at his backer's interest, though?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 08:50 AM
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11. we've all done that, of course
It's easy to forget about DK and Al (and CMB back when she was in the race), they're "conscience candidates". I only wish we had more like them.

I admit I don't know much about Sharpton's history in NYC, it's possible he'd be a lousy candidate because people there know him too well. I had a college roommate from Brooklyn who joked about Sharpton a lot. Still, I find myself having tremendous respect for the man. He has a stage presence that some of the "majors" can only envy.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 09:02 AM
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13. I think if we don't mention Sharpton it's because
we know damn well that if a White boy from Ohio can't make it, there's no way a Black Preacher from NY is going to make it.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 09:05 AM
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14. no!
Surely the reason that we have not had several black and women presidents is sheerest coincidence!
:silly:
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 09:30 PM
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15. hey, at least we got Clarence Thomas!
I understand he does weddings?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 08:56 AM
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12. Why would it be any more a mistake than to endorse any one other
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 09:00 AM by Tinoire
than Clark or Dean?

Poverty too is a weapon of mass destruction according to DK. Genetically engineered foods are weapons of mass destruction.

NAFTA, WTO are a form of war too. Why would he endorse people supporting those types of wars or weapons?

There's sadly a little more to it than bombs. Our entire system is war-mongering in more ways than bombs and you, of all people, know that because you've pointed out the obscenity of many of those things these last few years and shared so much with people here.

Who could he possibly endorse? He couldn't in all honesty endorse Clark because he fought him tooth and nail over Yugoslavia and is not too pleased about Clark having drafted the plans for the occupation of Iraq; his response when people asked him if he would consider teaming up with Clark was as clear as one can politely get.

He can't endorse Dean because Dean's in favor of all this decade's past and future wars- just not this one for which we have no real proof of what Dean would have done except for his words (and there have been a few too many inconsistent ones).

Plus neither Clark nor Dean is anti-NAFTA, anti-WTO. Those are 2 very important issues to Kucinich and to his supporters. Just like the wars abroad and just like the domestic war against the little American. Nobody comes close to Kucinich when it comes to a real understanding of how obscene all of this is. Many people seem flabbergasted at the strategic deal he made with Edwards and think it was an endorsement- it was not, but if you look at Edwards closely, he is very much for the little man and is anti-NAFTA (another form of war). He is also not DLC and was dis-enrolled by the DLC. Last summer he was dis-invited from the DLC's annual meeting. Both Dean and Clark were there.

http://www.newdem.org/annualmeeting/


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I think Kucinich, if he doesn't make it, would gracefully bow out and tell his supporters to do what's in their heart. He knows what the deal is and so do we. Some of us will go with Dean who at least has the redeeming grace of having a people's movement behind him; some will go with Kerry, who is a domestic liberal; some with Clark, who says all the right things; some with Edwards who is for the little man; some will go third party- but all will weigh their conscience and that, I think, is what Kucinich would ask us to do.

Kucinich puts no more stock in Clark and Dean's "I would have" answers than most of us do. Besides, both are pro-occupation and what is occupation if not war?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:36 AM
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4. I think, maybe Clark
Because Clark wants to streamline the DOD and bookkeeping at the Pentagon, etc. IOW, make them accountable. This is also a goal of Kucinich. I also think it's possible he would endorse Edwards, and also that he would endorse nobody, because when it comes down to it, his positions are unique. Love Dennis. I want him to run for the senate from Ohio. I've heard Ohioans(?) also express this sentiment. IMHO, we need a new conscious in the Senate ala, Wellstone. Dennis is the only one who fits the bill.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:08 AM
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5. Ohio is like the south
I doubt any Democrat can win, at least for now.Republicans will carry 3-5 seats in the south..At one time, Ohio was a right to work state, with the south of Ohio,pretty much like the south. Any one note, Giuliani will beat Hilary Clinton..
Kucinich is too valuable as chair of Progressive caucus..DK now has the stature to fight for populist causes, that is where he should remain.- Progressive chair..He is too valuable to be put at risk to run for Ohio Democrats'scapegoat candidate. They can't seem to find anyone else..Voincoich is too strong...
Besides anyone hear Rep. Sanders..He said he would choose not to be in the Senate with all that decorum crap..have to mince words with likes of Sen Katherine Harris or Trent Lott. God, in the House at least the likes of TOm Delay stays hidden from the House floor most of the time- he does his dirty work in back door cloak rooms, where the sun doesn't shine.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:35 AM
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7. I presume it will be kerry if he stays front runner
I also presume, perhaps wrongly, that he will take a position in that administration and campaign for it, as i'd rather have him heading the Dept. of Justice than in his house of rep. role.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 09:43 PM
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16. Any Candidate Not Supporting Any Party's Nominee Other Than Self
ought not to be running in that party's primaries to begin with.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:04 PM
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17. Dennis will not endorse another candidate
in the primary. He will not leave the primary.

He will endorse whoever is the nominee after the convention.
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