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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:33 PM
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Why I stand behind Clark, and support Dean and Kucinich if nominated
On the IWR issue, which I think is a decent test case for how candidates put their professional competence in practice, Kerry is now saying, essentially, that as a lawmaker he wanted to provide the President with a necessary credible threat of force. What he is not saying, is that as a Senator he failed his constitutional duty to see through the BS and read the intent of the President, instead of issuing politically correct blank checks.

Of course, Kerry, Lieberman and Edwards aren't the only ones to be "fooled" by Bush; the overwhelming majority of Democratis in Congress are guilty of the same tame attitude towards a rogue President. And that explains why, for example as shown in the most recent LATimes / CNN poll, a majority of Democratic voters in AZ, SC and MO agree with this statement: "Democratic leaders in Washington have failed to stand up aggressively enough to President Bush."

For an example of a member of Congress who knew his duty and acted accordingly, look at Dennis Kucinich's record on the IWR; he got Bush's number from the get-go.

The last straw, in my opinion, is what happened with the omnibus bill. I can't understand how people can justify three (THREE) candidates simply dropping their constitutional duty, refusing to do what they're paid for, and not doing what they ask other people to do: vote.

By contrast, Clark took three days off during his campaign to testify against Milosevic, which he considered his duty.

I can't get myself to support three candidates (Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards) when they go AWOL during the campaign, when they're full of weighty words yet refuse to do their job. If they can abstain, so can I: for me, bringing up excuses to do the right thing don't amount to a credible case against the current guy in the White House, whose widely known record and agenda are at least just as objectionable as they are transparent. The fact that the press doesn't do its job in reporting fairly and accurately is no excuse, nor is the much more insidious excuse that 50% doesn't bother to vote. I want "my guy" to lead by example.

The reason I can wholeheartedly support Dean is because I trust his character and integrity, to shake up things in DC and yank the country back to sanity.

Kerry, Lieberman and Edwards are worrisome examples of what's wrong with American politics - and I don't feel like enabling them.

And I won't apologize for putting my convictions into practice, either.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:37 PM
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1. But they went with the conventional wisdom....
which was, if you're going to run for president, you cannot vote against the war of a popular president. It was a political calculation, in my opinion.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:39 PM
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3. I use the C-word instead
Cowardice.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:37 PM
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2. No doubt
Kerry is too used to playing the same old game. I am tired of it. I do not believe he or any did NOT understand that Bush was lying to the UN and to the congress. I do NOT believe he, with all of his years of experience, was fooled by an ignoramus like Bush, and if we are to believe that, that certainly tells me that Kerry is rather an ignoramus himself to have bought it. HE bought it for one reason--his own political surivival ,as did the rest of the cowards.

I will vote for whoever does get the nomination, but I love Kucinich and I still support Dean.
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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:39 PM
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4. Totally agree
Thank you for posting.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:43 PM
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5. You listed several of the reasons
why I can't support Kerry in the primaries.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:55 PM
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6. The three shirked the job that they were hired to do in the first
place. A lot of people are really explicit, direct, and nasty about demanding that they get a full day's worth of work for a full day's worth of pay for their tax dollars. I am one of those people.
I don't believe in Dean either.
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Bill of Rights Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:09 PM
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7. They want/expect us to vote, but they don't vote!
When we counted on them to vote, they didn't! They didn't want their names to go on record for or against the Medicare and OMNIBUS bills.

They stink!
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:10 PM
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8. Here's another argument
There isn't that much difference among the candidates on their respective positions; that includes Sharpton, who I didn't mention earlier.

Don't think it's true? Then take a look at this comparison, where you can see positions side-by-side.

With such relative homogeneity, the consistency of their acts v their words becomes all the more important.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:16 PM
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9. Welcome to the Cheap seats
We can all get comfortable and watch through the window as the "democrats" wine and dine "Their " candidates.
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