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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:34 AM
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Santorum is already swiftboating "Bobby" Casey
Edited on Tue May-23-06 10:34 AM by RamboLiberal
Yes, in an ad I heard on KDKA radio this morning, with an "I'm Rick Santorum and I approved this ad" the swiftboating begins.

Ad began that Santorum challenged Casey to 10 debates to which Casey said no. Then it went on to accuse that a Casey supporter trespassed at Santorum's home in Penn Hills, PA to peer in the windows in order to dig up dirt on Santorum.

This ad was so negative! At the end the announcer called Casey - Bobby Casey and finished with Santorum's approval message.

What a bastard for Sanctimoneous to already start this!

Casey damn well better not sit back like Kerry did!

If anybody has the text of this Santorum ad I'd like to know.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:35 AM
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1. Santorum Shouldn't Snuggle with Fetuses
That would be a terrible story to spread....
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:38 AM
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2. Santorum doesn't even live in Penn Hills. He lives in VA! n/t
Edited on Tue May-23-06 10:42 AM by Mzztakable
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:39 AM
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3. Kerry DIDN'T sit back and take it - media didn't COVER his counterattacks
Edited on Tue May-23-06 10:40 AM by blm
on the swifts. The Research Forum has the data on that, and there's also a new book out that points to the media's WIDESPREAD complicity WITH The swifts in support of their story.

Dems do themselves NO FAVORS by ignoring the GOP control of media - they need to make exposing it a priority issue for the party.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:45 AM
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5. You're right...book is "Lapdogs" by Eric Boehlert.
The excerpt I read was great...I'm looking forward to reading the book.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:50 AM
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6. Kerry sat back a bit too
his campaign admitted they thought it would go away and didn't expect the media would aid and abet the swiftboaters by playing and covering their crap for free. And this was the period the Kerry campaign was dark trying to conserve their cash.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:46 AM
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9. That's why the DNC needs a media monitoring component. Here's an excerpt
from Lapdogs:

Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518

Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:33 PM
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12. The Democratic Spokespeople the Dems appointed were terrible
There was a woman who was turned to the most on behalf of Kerry, i think her name was Mary Beth Cahill ? (check that) ...

Every single Media Spokesperson invited on pundit shows were so mealy mouthed, so vague and inarticulate, so NOT skilled in fighting back.

Don't know who wrote their scripts, don't know who managed and authorized their talking points - but at best, it was always weak and very ineffective. I cringed every single time i listened in, hoping to hear formidable push back only to be left with the sinking feeling of dreaded doom every single time.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:48 PM
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13. Read this on the media's COMPLICITY - it goes far beyond spokespeople
Though I absolutely agree that the Dem spokspeople for the Dems have been very weak since 1997, because all the names most used were schooled in defending Clinton for years, but knew little about any other Dem to represent them effectively.


Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518

Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:55 PM
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14. I completely agree with the thrust..
But when the MSM is forced to invite Dems on the shows like during those pundit talk shows - they need to have the best and the brightest, but they need to have people with the Warrior Instinct and one who is Sharp Witted - and can smack down before the Media Shills even knows what the hit them.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:44 AM
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4. only defence against Nazi's, is SWIFT SUEING.. make it Public
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:59 AM
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7. Has either candidate been nominated yet? Debate talk would seem to
be a little premature until that happens, imo. Why 10 debates anyway? Besides being a nice round number, what is magical about 10 debates? I could see three debates - one on foreign policy, one on judicial nominations, and one on domestic policy. Maybe a fourth one just on Social Security and Medicare. But it is stupid to just propose some number without specifying what the debates would be about. But if Ricky really wants 10 debates here is my suggestion to Casey.

1: Social Security
2: Medicare
3: Medicare Part D and Prescription Drug Costs
4: The Patriot Act, Domestic Surveilance and FISA
5: Gitmo, Rendition, Torture, Secret Prisons and Abu Graib
6: The Deficits and the National Debt/Tax Policy
7: Government corruption and campaign finance
8: Public Education and residency requirements for U.S. Senators
9: Iraq, Intelligence Failures and Misuse by the Executive
10:The CIA, Government Leaks and the Plame Affair
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:37 AM
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8. PA Primary was last week
So race is official.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:14 PM
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11. But it would still be interesting to find out when Santorum asked
because if it was before - Santorum didn't have an opponent so he was the nominee but Casey had two opponents so he could clearly not say "YES" until it was official.

Plus the challenge right off the bat is nothing more than a ruse even if Casey was asked after the primaries. I would assume after Casey won his primary he needs to take a look at the campaign structure and adjust for going after Santorum and not his primary opponents. Santorum probably knew if he asked right after the primary was overwith that Casey would not be in position to decide until Casey Camp was ready to start working on the General election. And although I'm sure it probably only took a day or two for the adjustment, Santorum probably hit him right off the bat.

This is the thing, Casey had to say "no" to any request that Santorum made right after the primaries because this would have given the Santorum camp control of the debates. It's best that both parties work with a neutral group to work out the debate schedule so that it would be hopefully "fair & balanced". Thing is, after the first debate I doubt anyone will know who asked whom first on the debates
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:09 PM
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10. Um, when did Santorum ask for the debates
If he asked him BEFORE the primaries, the Casey has no choice but to say "NO". Although Casey was the clearcut frontrunner he wasn't the nominee.

Casey could probably debate Santorum with half his brain tied behind his back
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 01:04 PM
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15. F**king scumbag sanitorium...
Casey better damn well start answering back NOW!!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:03 PM
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16. Here's the text of this sleazy first ad
Edited on Tue May-23-06 03:04 PM by RamboLiberal
Santorum's First Ad!
It's a classic delegitimize-the-opponent-for-independents "negative"/"comparison" job.

Announcer: Primary election night, in front of cheering supporters in Pittsburgh, Rick Santorum challenged Bobby Casey to ten debates, and Casey responded with a loud, "No," saying voters didn't care about issues and that campaigns are a contact sport. Now we know what Casey meant. According to a KDKA investigative report, a Casey operative admitted to trespassing at the Santorums' home in Penn Hills, peering into the windows, looking for campaign dirt. But we shouldn't be surprised. Casey has a long history of slinging mud. The Philadelphia Daily News has called Casey's tactics "slash and trash and little else." The chairman of the Democratic Party said Casey took negative campaigning to a new height. And one Philadelphia paper called Casey's campaign "dishonest and nasty." Apparently, that's what we can expect from Bobby Casey again. Santorum: I'm Rick Santorum, candidate for the U.S. Senate, and I approve this message. Announcer: Paid for and authorized by Santorum 2006.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/05/santorums_first.html

Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) opened his media campaign against Democrat Bob Casey yesterday, putting up a radio ad in Pittsburgh that depicts his challenger as a dirty campaigner who won't debate the issues.

A Casey spokesman called the 60-second spot a "negative and dishonest attack."

The commercial signals the start of what is expected to be an intense ad war between the candidates, who have spent much of the last year stockpiling money for this phase of the campaign.

The Santorum campaign said last night that it was in the process of putting up a different ad in the Philadelphia media market.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/14643430.htm
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 08:41 PM
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17. Santorum radio interview
My mom lives in PA and she heard Santorum on a local talk radio show after the primary. Apparently, he keeps referring to Casey as "Bobby". I guess he feels this is some kind of a put down.

He also called Casey a thug in the interview. Even the right wing talk show host who was interviewing him was taken aback by that one.

Santorum sounds desperate. I think this one's going to get really ugly really fast.
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