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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:50 PM
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Why Do Republicans Hate America's Veterans?


In his quiet moments, Rep. John Murtha must sometimes catch himself thinking about how much easier his life would be if he had just kept his damn mouth shut and gone along to get along on the Iraq war. The Democrat, who has represented Pennsylvania's 12th Congressional District for 32 years, began angering the Republican party in late 2005 when, having seen enough of the Bush administration's incompetence, he became the most vocal critic of the White House's failed and dishonest Iraq policies.

"The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It's a flawed policy wrapped in illusion," said Murtha, in November 2005, in calling for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. "The American public is way ahead of the members of Congress. The United States and coalition troops have done all they can in Iraq. But it's time for a change in direction. Our military is suffering. The future of our country is at risk. We cannot continue on the present course. It is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interest of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf regime."

Despite Murtha's standing as a highly-decorated combat Veteran, who served in the U.S. Marine Corps for 37 years, it was off to the races for the right-wing smear machine. They immediately set upon Murtha, who just turned 74, for requesting moderation and a cautious course when risking the lives of our military men and women stationed in Iraq.

And who did most of the attacking? Conservative chickenhawks, who have never served a day in uniform in their lives, but who immediately began talking tough and accusing a man of Murtha's stature of running from a fight.

It started on Nov. 18, 2005, the day after Murtha's initial remarks, when Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, the most junior member of the House of Representatives at the time, implied loudly on the House floor that Murtha was a coward.

"Cowards cut and run, Marines never do," crowed Schmidt, as the House chamber erupted in shouting and came to a standstill. Schmidt was eventually forced to withdraw her statement as inappropriate but, knowing how the GOP leadership operates, it's safe to assume she was given major kudos behind closed doors for taking one for the team.

Dick Cheney, told in advance of Murtha's new stance on the war, had begun insulting former Marine Murtha almost immediately saying, "The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory or their backbone."

Meanwhile, Murtha, who was fighting in Southeast Asia while Cheney was kicking back on one of his five military deferments, fired back at the vice president.

"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that," said a disgusted Murtha. "I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."

But that didn't stop the likes of Cheney and Schmidt at the time, and it's proceeded to get worse ever since -- the same ugly specter of Republicans who claim to be so patriotic and to worship at the military altar smearing decorated veterans at every turn for the crime of being Democrats and voicing dissent with GOP policies.

They did it with former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam, famously brought out the Swift Boat Liars to smear John Kerry's war record, and they immediately started doing the same with Murtha, who volunteered for Vietnam in 1966 and for his service was awarded the Bronze Star with Combat "V," two Purple Hearts, the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry and the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.

In January 2006, a pseudo-news organization known as the Cybercast News Service (CNS) picked up with Murtha where the Swift Boat Liars left off with Kerry by questioning the circumstances in Vietnam that led to Murtha's two Purple Hearts.

This time it was David Thibault, editor in chief of CNS, who picked up the prevailing tactic of the GOP, which is to smear the patriotism and good name of any Democrat who dares question Bush and the war -- even if, like Murtha, you happen to be a 37-year military veteran and a former Parris Island drill instructor decorated for valor in combat.

CNS, which is part of the ultraconservative Media Research Center, trotted out the familiar, slimy routine of questioning the seriousness of Murtha's war injuries and the extent to which they were worthy of the Purple Heart awards. Thibault made his motivation clear, saying that Murtha had brought the attack on himself because "the congressman has really put himself in the forefront of the anti-war movement." There's the theme again: Shut up and go along with Bush or get slimed beyond recognition.

Which begs the obvious question: Why do the likes of Thibault and so many Republican operatives who so righteously question the courage and patriotism of guys like John Kerry, Max Cleland or John Murtha hate our veterans and the military so much?

Their deeds speak louder than their words, and one wonders how they would treat liberals who questioned the guts of men who put their lives on the line and bled for our country. The wailing and outrage would be deafening, and yet they believe it's perfectly acceptable to vilify certain veterans if they happen to be Democrats and it furthers the far-right political agenda.



And what of their disgracefully insulting treatment of the very military institutions they claim to support? Those of us who have served know that you don't just walk into the PX and buy yourself a Bronze Star or a Purple Heart -- they're awarded at great discretion by the leadership of the military. Yet even those who have reached the upper echelons of our Defense Department now have their wisdom and integrity called into question by people who will stoop so low as to question whether or not someone came close enough to dying in combat to receive a Purple Heart.

My guess is that it's just a matter of time before House Republicans don Purple Heart bandages to ridicule Murtha's service as their people did on the floor of the GOP national convention in 2004 in an effort to minimize John Kerry's service.

It's repulsive, insulting and demeaning to every veteran, whether or not they have ever been unfortunate enough to receive that decoration.

The latest salvo appears to be a new smear site, MurthaLied.com, which is about to be drawn out from under a rock and it certainly has all the looks of the same people who brought you pure fiction about Kerry in 2004. The website is run by a woman named Amanda Doss, who has a long alliance with -- guess who? -- the Swift Boat Liars and a whack job named Ted Sampley, who runs the hate site, The U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

That name may sound familiar to you. This is the same guy who once wrote of John McCain as "The Manchurian Candidate" and suggested that McCain had been brainwashed during his lengthy captivity while a POW in Vietnam. Oh, yeah, he also said McCain was a KGB Spy. It's also the same Sampley who headed Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry and was responsible in 1992 for faking a photo of Kerry allegedly shooting an American MIA in Vietnam.

It was Republican McCain who called Sampley "one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter" and said "Sampley has a nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies."

If you want to know what kind of people are going after a legitimate American hero like John Murtha, look no further than the likes of Sampley, Doss, Thibault and their Republican backers.

There's also right-wing prom queen Ann Coulter, who recently said that Murtha was "the reason soldiers invented fragging," suggesting that Murtha should be killed. She followed that up by saying that "if he did get fragged, he'd finally deserve one of those Purple Hearts."

Only time will tell how much more repulsive this gets, but the mainstream media needs to explain how these cretins keep managing to get ink and air time. At least in Coulter's case, it can be partially explained in her being a high-profile cretin who may be good for ratings. But the mystery endures of how little-known -- and discredited -- "sources" like Sampley and the laughable CNS continue to get attention and relevance.

So we'll watch and see what happens in the coming days and weeks to Rep. Murtha, a man who has dedicated his life to serving his country both in the military and in the halls of Congress. How much character assassination will the 74-year-old Murtha have to endure for simply being a veteran who has seen war, doesn't like war and believes that a solid national security posture has nothing to do with starting wars for no reason?

And how much stomach do the American people have to continue watching Republicans and their operatives so piously chanting "support the troops" while turning right around and treating veterans and our military with such outrageous disrespect?

"War's a nasty business," Murtha said on CBS's "60 Minutes" earlier this year. "It sears the soul. The shadow of friends killed, the shadow of killing people lives with you the rest of your life. So there's no experience like being in combat."

When I was in the military, no matter what personality conflicts arose during long sleepless hours at sea or on patrol, the main measure of your regard for a shipmate or fireteam partner was this: Who do you trust to hang tough when the crap hits the fan and true courage needs to kick in? Who do you want in that ditch, in those weeds or sitting in that foxhole with you?

It would be interesting to take a poll and see if, faced with those circumstances, most Americans would choose the likes of Ted Sampley, David Thibault, Jean Schmidt and Dick Cheney, or men like John Kerry, Max Cleland and John Murtha.

Yeah, that's a tough call.

Update: Is Congressman Duncan Hunter also somehow involved in the smears against highly-decorated Veteran, John Murtha? One of my favorite bloggers, Taylor Marsh, investigates here and here.

You can reach Bob Geiger at geiger.bob@gmail.com and read more from him at Democrats.com.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:56 PM
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1. I'm a Veteran and I feel hated by these bastards
bush and his band of pirates are bitching because there is a proposal to increase the pay of active personnel by 1/2 percent more than originally planned. And perish the thought, someone in congress is contemplating giving reservists an assist with health insurance and the bush administration is outraged. Yes, republicans and their supporters hate veterans.
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IndependentVoice Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:04 PM
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2. It pisses me off every time when I think of how they screwed over my
grandfather who was in WW2, not much gets me madder
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:20 PM
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6. I watched my dad, who spend 25 in the Air Force
slowly lose the benefits he signed up for in 1949. By the time he died in 2001, he was damn lucky the job he took after military retirement offered decent medical benefits otherwise he would have been almost totally dependent on VA and Medicare.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:25 PM
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8. Every time I see that bitch with the Purple Heart band-aid on her chin
I think "that would make a very nice target for my fist".

Yeah I know it's wrong to even think something like that, but that band-aid thing was about the lowest, most insulting thing they could have done. :mad:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:31 PM
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10. I know the one you are talking about
and bitch is appropriate. She and her kind are what is wrong with America. And no, its not wrong to think that way. I don't have a purple heart but she and the rest of the republican party shit on every one of my military awards and my 24 years of service during their convention. They are scum. I wish I was at that convention.
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LIBERALNAVYVET Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:00 PM
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19. I agree
Any time I see the "patriots" i just want to vomit. They all need to rot in hell
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:10 AM
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35. They are rotting
in their own personal hells right here on earth. It's called the Republican Party. As a 100% disabled combat veteran I refuse to be civil with these scumbags. I just tell them their heroes are lying jerk offs. In essence I'm calling them lying jerk offs by proxy, and they know it. If they don't know it, the land mine will go off in their heads somewhere down the road. They can all go eat shit and bark at the moon.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:18 PM
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22. Took the words out of my mouth Chief

Everytime I see those pictures with their smug smiles....well it's a good thing I wasn't around any of them while they were wearing those...GRRR
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:20 PM
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13. I agree. Like you, I know it is wrong...
but I would love to knock that band-aid right off her fat face.

I cannot believe how low will go; to make fun of a man who earned a Purple Heart in combat.

I get irate every time I see that woman's face.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:24 PM
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14. I have one of those as a neighbor
she actually said that anyone who has a Purple Heart, MOH or Disabled Veteran license plate is just out for sympathy! This from someone whose immediate family has had NOT ONE member serve in any capacity.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:58 PM
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18. someone needs to bundle up her son or grandson OR GRANDDAUGHTER and hustle
their young ass on over to Iraq.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:12 PM
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3. Because Vets had the gall to live
and make them face their essential cowardise
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:09 PM
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12. That's really it.
Well put.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Every time they see a veteran, or hear about somebody who actually did some brave shit, it exposes them for the cowardly chickenshit chickenhawks that they are, and it frightens them and makes their peckers shrink inside their flabby, bloated, pimply bodies.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:14 PM
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4. Envy pure and simple
They know not one of them could make it through boot, let alone actually function in a situation where they had to think clearly and act decisively under threat. In short they are cowards, they know it and they are insanely jealous of those who are not and were not.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:19 PM
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5. Because their are so few of "their own" in that group...
ya know?

TC

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foreverdem Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:24 PM
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7. Because just the thought of serving their country is alien to them
Only corporations should be served.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:30 PM
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9. Recommend. It seems the right wing has decided who the minorities
are. My feeling that everything they say that sounds positive is phony - their words do not match their legislation and their tweaking of everything that does not have to be legislated. Stinking creatures.

I fear so much for those coming home from this 'illegal act' hurt or broken. They didn't deserve this mockery of a war presented with the big P. All words. All only words.

I'll be anxious to hear all the comments.

Good job on your post.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:01 PM
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11. Even; though two years have gone by, the sight of that c*** from Texas
with her bad buck-teeth dentures wearing the "purple heart" band-aids still pisses me off to no end. Seriously, someone needs to slap that dirty cowboy hat off her head and grab her by the hair VERY ABRUPTLY until those ugly dentures go flying from her face. Phewww, lots o' anger. It's oh-so-easy for those that have never had to sacrifice to demean those that have. And now we know ALL of the Swift Liars were just, well, LYING, it pisses me off further. I hope that photo haunts her until the day she dies. She dishonored THOUSANDS of Americans that day. Thousands. And for what? A liar, cheat and thief with substance abuse issues that is as much of a failure in his current vocation as he has been in EVERY previous one.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:46 PM
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15. GOP is more interested in protecting revenues of EXXON-Mobil (et al) than
veterans' welfare. They are quick to vote for military intervention but later when vets come home and need help - you can't find any of those hawks to vote for veterans' health care.

I think the problem is there are very few rich veterans. GOP aren't interested in people who don't live on dividend checks and capital gains (not much potential for big 'campaign contributions' from people who aren't wealthy).

Unfortunately, there will always be people who sacrifice the public good for wealth and power. Whether they are called the GOP or something else we will always have 'Republicans' with us. The important thing is for people to realize what there real purpose is and not fall for all the sanctimonious rhetoric about 'values' and self righteous talk about 'morality' from those who are basically sociopaths.









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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:25 PM
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16. A post-frontpage K&R because this article is damn good (nt)
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 04:25 PM by Ian_rd
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:42 PM
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17. It's not that they hate America's veterans
It's just that they fear them--are terrified of them,
in fact. They fear the real vets the way Rove, Cheney, and
DeLay et al. fear the next Democratic Attorney General. Anyone
who can expose them and bring their phoniness or corruption
to enough light where it either wilts, or becomes impossible
for a prosecutor to ignore, puts a terror into them greater
than any Islamic "terrrrist" ever could.

That's not hate you detect there. It is cold, mind-numbing fear.
They ducked where others stood, and now they want to stand and
wave the flag without being reminded that they have no right to
claim to be our defenders (not to mention their demonstrated
lack of competence to do so).
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:00 PM
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20. Lest we forget: Purple Heart Band-aid woman:
Her name is Pat Peale and she is a member of the Texas rethuglican party. Drop the c*** a line.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/09/07_purple.html
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:11 PM
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21. it's simple--virtually none of them are veterans
they hate everyone who is not one of them
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:25 PM
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23. I tell you as a vet the proff they hate us just happen today
Bush wants a $160 million for the data rip off .But here's the hate he wants $30 million out of veterans health care
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:35 PM
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24. Their support lies in buying magnetic ribbons and shouting "support the
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 06:35 PM by Sapere aude
troops" which is nothing but hollow gestures. They never have to risk anything or pay anything. It is like a guy who watches the NFL every weekend and puts Charger stickers all over his car. He never butts heads on the field, he never gets racked up but he fantasizes that he is mr joe tough guy because he sits on the Barcowlounger swilling Bud and eating chips yelling at the umps.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:03 PM
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25. You are exactly right.
I've posted this before and serves well here as a reminder.

Republicans:

* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)



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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:42 PM
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26. Yep great reminder
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:51 PM
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38. thank you for posting that.
That was the first time I've ever seen that.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:11 PM
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27. Same reason they hate America's women.
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 11:18 PM by BlueIris
They hate those who have the guts, strength and integrity that they themselves can rarely claim. Also, like the massive piles of shit work other pissy, whiney, cowardly white men expect women to do without pay, respect or complaint, most Republicans consider military service in warfare to be beneath them. It's only natural to them to look with disdain upon those proudly doing what they themselves deem unsuitable for them, and probably couldn't manage to endure even if they had to. Can you imagine how much they must hate veterans who are also women? If we could bottle that rage and convert it to a usable replacement for fuel, we could solve the energy crisis.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:50 PM
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28. I sent this to my baby in school she agrees
Thanks women in Nam saved my life only then they where called nurses but most were just as smart as the doc;s oops I am a male
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:18 AM
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29. Why don't Democratic Candidates remember this?
Why doesn't the eventual candidate of the Democratic Party mention this from the podium during his or her acceptance speech? Why not produce a band-aid like the ones the Republicans wore, and tell the world that the Republicans shamed the veterans they support - and not just with this gesture?

Why not? Well, because I'm not sure that there are any candidates currently being considered by the Democrats who have the guts. Maybe some of them might - maybe not the Big Three who are so often mentioned - but perhaps if the others want an issue to bring the focus of the country on their "minor league" campaigns, they might do just this while campaigning. Or talking on any talk shows.

Better yet, why don't all Democrats carry a band-aid when this is mentioned, produce it, and say "The Republicans dishonor veterans"?

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:40 AM
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30. Good question
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 12:41 AM by ismnotwasm
Because they are considered expendables, cannon fodder, part of the "lines on the map", a number, deployments, titles and rank and uniforms, they're called soldiers, marines, special forces, They're called almost anything but human beings, with human feelings and human reactions.

They hate them for their humanity, for their vulnerability. they hate them because they are really fathers and daughters and uncles and mothers and sons who have gone out and died for a lie. They hate them because they consider the deaths and maimings an inconvenience to their twisted politics.

They hate them because to love them, to honor them, the respect and recognize their humanness, with their human frailty would mean facing the lie.

So they cut the VA budget without shame, they wave flags and call them hero's when they come or go and then forget about them. Unless it makes a good photo op.

They deny the devastating effect war has ALWAYS had on the human spirit. And always will.
This particular bunch of haters, are unprecedented because of access to mass media. Disgusting beyond belief.

edit: Kicked and nominated.
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:43 AM
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31. They only hate Democrat veterans
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 07:47 AM by exlrrp
Being offensive is their best defense when George W Bush has an "honorable discharge" that shows he was discharged completely unqualified to do ANYTHING in the military. See:
Not only does Bush have NO qualifications, his discharge also shows him credited without ANY medals at all. THATS why they attack other peoples service records--to keep the focus off of Bush's miserable record. This discharge shows that Bush was kept fraudulently listed--and PAID-- as a pilot for 14 months after he lost ALL his qualifications.
I am currently demolishing the myth of Bush's military service in my journal. If you want to read how Bush scammed his way out of the military and all the crimes he and his superiors committed, check it out. Here's the latest: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1502770
Bush and his superiors committed crimes in getting him an "honorable discharge" like fraudulent discharge, monetary and statutory fraud, embezzlement, falsification of federal documents and dereliction of duty. And the evidence is all righht there, once its unscrambled, the way the Bush people did on their document dump/
Wake Up America--Bush's whole" honorable discharge" is a scam
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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:54 AM
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32. they hate dem. veterans and let them mostly without care
because it could be an experienced, well fight proven army they could face one day when
their atrocities bring your country to the next famine and the new world order.

sounds scary, doesn't it?

I am not american but I feel strongly with thinking people all over the world.

:grouphug:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:58 AM
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33. Well, if you look at Veterans' Benefits and the medical care at
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 08:02 AM by Totally Committed
th Veterans' Hospitals, I think the disrespect is pretty much across-the-board. If you look at how they "protect" our troops in harm's way (with substandard transport, helmets and vests) you'd think they were trying to have as few "veterans" come back as possible, actually.

Nope, they hate 'em, and we should be shouting that from the rooftops. Any Party that would, as part of political campaign, allow ANY VETEREAN to be smeared as they have smeared Cleland, Kerry, Clark, and even one of their own (McCain) to be "Swift Boated" is one that HATES those Veterans and ALL the Veterans they represent! I look at those Band-Aid pictures and the glee on the faces of those pig-people, and I AM ASHAMED... for this country and for the Veterans.

TC

Note to Bob Geiger about OP: Outstanding OP, Bob, but along with Murtha, Kerry and Cleland -- who are all fine and honorable Veterans who are speaking out for the Democratic Party, we have WES CLARK, who is out there slugging away for our side after a 34-year career of service to this country. I'm not trying to be picky, just saying...
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:50 AM
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36. Veterans!! Compare this to your own!!
I urge every veteran to pull out your DD214 and compare it to this (given above) --the sorriest "Honorable discharge" in Presidential History. How many qualifications are in your box? How many medals?? (self, 6&5 respectively and I was just a grunt) Did you show up to SIGN your discharge? How did our Commander in Chief get paid for being a pilot when he had been suspended from flying his last 14 months? the ONLY job he's listed as having?
This is not a normal discharge!! This is a Kiss of Death discharge--the only thing that makes it "honorable" is that the Bush Administration says it is-- the information it shows says it isn't!
This discharge shows Bush being completely unqualified to do ANYTHING in the military, not even paint rocks white! Thats right, our Commander in Chief's discharge clearly shows, in no uncertain terms, that Bush was disqualified from doing ANYTHING in the military when he was discharged, not even the job he is listed as having!
Bush is ONLY listed as a pilot in his papers, yet he was suspended from flying his last 14 months in the military. There's other falsifications on this document as well
America--this is FRAUD!! You can't be listed and paid as a pilot when you don't have the qualifications to be a pilot!!
Bush's superiors kept his "ghosting" his last 18 months--still getting paid while not attending traingsd. This is monetary fraud--embezzlement. There's other crimes involved, like dereliction of duty and fraudulent discharge.
This is all covered in the Bush Military History Project. Here's the latest, explaiining the fraud in the discharge: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1502770
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:07 AM
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34. THIS INCIDENT SHOULD NEVER BE FORGOTTEN OR FORGIVEN:
IT WAS SHAMEFUL! -------



And every time some self-righteous Republican steps forward to "honor" the troops, this incident should be remembered. How can this the RNC say they honor and respect Veterans and allow a display like this at their own convention as part of a POLITICAL CAMPAIGN??????? Shame on them! And, shame on us every time we doo not call them on it!

TC
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:53 AM
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37. It's such a pattern I don't know why the country hasn't caught on
Max Cleland, John Kerry, Colin Powell, even McCain, anyone who has served their country honorably is slandered or marginalized. I don't understand how any veteran can support this administration.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:33 PM
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39. This is a big heads up
The Republican are using vets now called vets for freedom.They are trained swift boat vets.Watch for them they start off with a story then say this is why Democrats will lose they do not understand veterans needs ya right.I just chase one off the KOS
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VivaLasVegan Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:36 AM
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40. Against 'Nam and 'Raq
but supportive of troops, vets, the military in general. Some people are suited to service life; some aren't. I objected to the draft--if someone wants to join the army, i.e, fine--both my uncle and my cousin, his son, are lifers and more power to them--but we owe our servicepeople the right to have their training and skills used appropriately and this mess (and also Viet Nam) sure aren't doing that.
Since I didn't want to see anyone go to 'Nam, it feels phony to me to base my today's regard on whether or not they served in that war. But I was no 'babykiller'-epitaph-throwing spitter, either. We moved to Hawaii in '67, with it's many military bases, and I liked and respected a lot of the (mostly) guys. (In the continental US, if you don't live right on top of a base, and/or you don't have a family member in the service, chances are you have very little, if any, interaction with the military--in Hawaii, if you don't call at least a few servicefolk friends, you must live in a cave).
What raises my blood pressure on this matter is the incredible, arrogant gall that would permit someone who didn't serve to label as a coward or traitor someone who did. And it blows my mind that people out there actually fall for it.
(Hey, do you think Ann Coulter is playing a game with her?self--'How outrageous do I have to get before I don't get backed up by the base?')
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