'Murtha is not a war hero' (Swift-boating of Murtha begins)

[denverbill]

"John Murtha spent a few years in the Marine Corps as an enlisted man and then went to college, got a Reserve commission, and joined the 34th Special Infantry Company in Johnstown. He later became the Commander Officer. I spent my first tour in Viet Nam in 1965 and 1966 and therefore missed Murtha, the war hero. However, I had a tour at Headquarters, Fleet Marine Forces Pacific, in Hawaii in 1968 and 1969, and the stories were still bouncing around about this reserve major from Johnstown who went to Viet Nam and sent his daily information to the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat telling his fantastic was stories. They were labeled “Murtha Sends”. While in FMF Pac I was the Head Systems Officer in the Computer Automated Center. I had the opportunity to design and implement a system to control and track all awards coming through FMF Pac. Having heard of this war hero from Johnstown, I took it upon myself to look in the data base and, lo and behold! There were no personal awards for Murtha. I never thought any more about it until I saw that he is now being touted as a war hero with 2 Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star with Combat “V.” This, of course, made me curious."
<snip>

http://www.bootmurtha.com/MurthaUpdates/JULY2006/07-26-06.htm

The gall of these despicable chickenhawks never ceases to amaze me. This may not qualify for LBN as an article, but it qualifies (IMO) as breaking in that it's a news story about character assasination. I hope Murtha sues these contempible pieces of shit and exposes them for the liars they are.

[JAYJDF]

1. I sure hope he takes some sort of action. This type of bashing

has to be nipped in the bud. I support sueing the SOB's pants off.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I wonder if Murtha knows about this

This shit has GOT to be stopped.

Chickenhawk motherfuckers.

[w8liftinglady]

7. I forwarded the link to his office.

[Cha]

42. Thank you, Thank you!

Like HTS just wrote.."This shit has got to stop!"

They need to be held accountable. Jack Murtha is the right guy to do it!

[blm]

11. The Patriot Project is set up for exactly this type of thing - defending

all vets who are attacked for speaking out.

Whatever they do we need to be ready to back them.

[UrbScotty]

3. Waaaaaaaaaah.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Murtha IS a war hero, unlike Mr. 34%.

Get over it.

[w8liftinglady]

4. so...Murtha's been in Congress 37 years...and just NOW this comes forward?

I call bull$h!t

[BOSSHOG]

5. "Design and Implement a system to control and track

all awards" Lifted straight from someone's fitness report. Every year someone is devising a new and improved way to track awards. And just when did he look in the data base? I doubt that my personal awards (from up to 25 years ago) are on any command specific data base but they sure as hell are documented in my service record. And after an award is "awarded" it no longer has to be "controlled and tracked" by a local command because it becomes a permanent part of a members service record. Any fucking yahoo would know this, unless of course a yahoo has an agenda.

I would suggest that this gentleman go to Colonel Murtha's office in DC and call his sorry cowardly ass out on the carpet. Unless of course, this incredibly brave man has other priorities.

[sarge43]

18. "Lifted straight from someone's fitness report."

Good catch, Boss.

However, BFD if BurPers was 'tracking' the dead flies in the mess hall. The question always with anyone's awards is - did Murtha's decorations meet the criteria for award and were they approved by proper authority? If so and I'm sure they were, then yahoo's argument is with DOD, not Murtha. If he is what he says he is, then he knows damn good and well no body refuses a decoration. If his decorations didn't meet criteria, again his argument is with DOD or if Murtha is claiming one or more not properly awarded, then let's see his DD Form 214. If they're legal, they're on it.

As for yahoo's snotty remarks about Murtha feeding home town rag Boy's Life hero stories, pssst sir it was/is routine standard procedure for the Public Relations wonks to send blurbs to the media about anything and everything concerning a local boy/girl makes good, kills bad guys or breaks their stuff. Hell, we sent out news releases on Amn Johnny Hometower graduating from basic. A combat story was prime news.

[JuniperLea]

6. Sounds fishy

Beginning of article:

Account of Bill Fry, Major, US Army (Retired)


End of article:

-Bill Fry, Major, USMC (Ret.)


Interesting...

[BOSSHOG]

21. He was so fucking patriotic

he served 20 plus years in both services. And if he weren't prior enlisted he sucked as an officer. Retiring as an O-4? Not the stuff legends are made of.

[sarge43]

22. Do be fair, Boss. He did make it over the railroad tracks n/t

[BOSSHOG]

26. Or did he?

In his dreams he was a badass Major in one of the armed forces serving his country proudly and mightily standing all alone on the front lines with bullets whizzing by, catching them with his tattooed conservative fists and eating them like candy spitting them out at the cowardly liberals hiding behind his heroic profile. He did a tour with the Navy and received a fleet unit commendation with cluster (a cluster FUC) for intense bravery in the face of the spread of Air America. "Conservatives" would be incredibly hilarious if they weren't so fucking dangerous.

[sarge43]

27. I take it a FUC is handed out like party favors?

The equiv of the AF Commendation Medal - that and a buck will get you a beer at the Club?

[BOSSHOG]

29. Actually

The Fleet Unit Commendation (with Cluster) is the product of my fertile mind as I editorialized about the reckless way personal awards were given. I recall several years ago when an Admiral retired, (I was on his staff) he told his department heads to get those award recommendations in. He was passing out Navy Achievement Medals as if they were throws from a Mardi Gras float. Marginal performers were getting personal awards because junior officers just could not say no. My two cents worth weren't valued by those up or down the chain.

A buck a beer? I'll drink to that. Hell, I'll drink to damn near anything.

I have to add my favorite fitness report bullet:

"Staunch supporter of two Navy Balls." Its been my favorite for more than 20 years.

[sarge43]

31. "Staunch supporter of two Navy Balls"

:rofl: (Could have been worse. Could have been one or three)

Oh my, that is a keeper. I've proof read a brazillion of those bs concertos and never saw anything near that good. The only thing that comes close was a supervisor who told me to find a better word than urine (cover letter for No-notice drug test roster).

[BOSSHOG]

33. Reminds me of an amusing anecdote

The teacher asked the class to give an example of a three syllable word. Little Johnny was in the back of the class and raised his hand and she dreaded asking him but called on him anyway. Johnny said "Urinate." The teacher said very good Johnny, dreading the next part of the drill, can you use it in a sentence? Johnny said, "Urinate, if you had any tits you'd be a ten."

[JAYJDF]

8. Having thought more about this, a good rebuttle would be

to just keep bringing up the military record of Busch and how Cheaty kept sidestepping the draft

[blm]

9. It should be, but after what happened to Rather, what media will go there?

.

[JAYJDF]

12. I didn't mean from MSM, they're worthless. I mean from whomever

is attacked. A quick and angry rebuttle including the current admins. military records.

[blm]

13. The Patriot Project has been set up for that - we need to support their

efforts where we can. Search down and you will see they are on Murtha watch.

http://patriotproject.com/

[teach1st]

10. Murtha's Web Site

Also includes PDF Notification of Awards, which I'm sure will have some funny fonts to those doing the Swiftboating.

http://www.house.gov/murtha/award_notification.shtml

People who question these awards might consider them in the context of the following statements, excerpted from “Purple Heartbreakers,” a column by James Webb published in the New York Times on Jan. 18, 2006. Webb was a secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration and a Marine platoon and company commander in Vietnam. Webb is currently a U.S. Senate candidate in Virginia.

“It should come as no surprise that an arch-conservative web site is questioning whether Representative John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has been critical of the war in Iraq, deserved the combat awards he received in Vietnam.

“After all, in recent years extremist Republican operatives have inverted a longstanding principle: that our combat veterans be accorded a place of honor in political circles. This trend began with the ugly insinuations leveled at Senator John McCain during the 2000 Republican primaries and continued with the slurs against Senators Max Cleland and John Kerry, and now Mr. Murtha….

[chaumont58]

14. Who's going to believe the swiftboat liars?

If the swiftboat liars started a campaign to cast Jesus as gay, how many would believe them? I think Murtha is impregnable. There are nut cases out there that will believe any god damn thing, but the majority won't. Let these fools waste their fuckin' money. They might as well go down to the ocean and try to hold back the tide.

[karlrschneider]

15. WTF is a "Commander Officer"?

I've never heard of that...
:eyes:

[sarge43]

19. Same proof reader who couldn't decide if yahoo is Marine or Army

:eyes:

[Kolesar]

16. An intellectual giant, Bill Fry

people don’t seem to equate war with freedom,yet freedom was never achieved by turning the other cheek.

Comment by bill fry | February 19, 2006 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/creating-a-nation-of-wusses/

Bill Fry
Bonny Oaks in the 1950's.
Message: Lived at Bonny Oaks in the 50's. While at Bonny Oaks was on the boxing team. Spent 13-1/2 years in the U.S. Army and served three tours in Vietnam. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:6cZMFo8MYaYJ:www.bonnyoaks.com/registry_results.htm+%22Bill+Fry%22+usmc&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=17

One Bill Fry in Ohio
http://www.411.com/10668/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=bill&name=fry&city_zip=&state_id=OH

[Historic NY]

17. Writer Fry can't decide if he was a "US Marine " or an

Army grunt. How could one possibly believe this nonsense.


Why doesn't someone go after this mental midget he is the present "swiftboat leader" & website master.

LARRY BAILEY:
B I O

Larry Bailey retired from the U.S. Navy in 1990 after a 27-year career as a SEAL officer. His career included duty in the USA and in Panama, Bolivia, Scotland, Colombia, Vietnam, and the Philippines.

He is a graduate of Armed Forces Staff College and the U.S. Army's Foreign Area Officer School. He holds an undergraduate degree in History from Stephen F. Austin State College in Texas and a master's degree in Education from East Carolina University.

He is a free-lance consultant and writer on military affairs and has been published numerous times in the national press.

His most significant military assignment was as Commanding Officer of the Naval Special Warfare Center, where all Navy SEALS undergo basic and advanced training.

He is a decorated Vietnam veteran and a sub-specialist in both Latin American-and European politico-military affairs.

He has also taught middle-school History and Language Arts.

In 2004 he was President of Vietnam Vets for the Truth, which sponsored the Kerry Lied Rally on Capitol Hill in Washington.

He and his wife Judy, who teaches middle-school Language Arts, live in eastern North Carolina.

[The Deacon]

32. Who retires after 27 years?

Unless they RIF you out, you stay to get the full 30.

[sarge43]

34. Just an educated guess, but as a major he could have been

Topcapped - up or out.

[Arkansas Granny]

20. I hope he learned something from the Swifties that went after

John Kerry and fights back immediately instead of letting this go unanswered for any period of time. I would love to see these "facts" thrown back in their faces and have them exposed for liars. This article was very shy on facts and long on hearsay.

[sarge43]

25. Murtha is a former DI, a mustang, Nam vet and a plus 20

Marine Corps officer. I'd rather go three rounds with a T. rex armed with a buggy whip than take on that mean mofo. He can make you cry.

I think it's popcorn time.

[Arkansas Granny]

40. From what I've seen of Murtha so far, he appears to be a fighter.

I hope he settles this BS once and for all. It's kind of hard to believe that the Republicans support the troops when they are so ready to trash them as soon as they run for public office on the Democratic ticket.

[sarge43]

46. No, he doesn't come across as the "please don't hurt me" type.

Again, let's be fair. These creatures will trash anyone who stands in their way, ask John McCain. They did a number on him during the '00 primaries. They have no morals, no conscience, no honor, just appetite.

[zulchzulu]

23. Attacking military integrity and medal award policies is Un-American

That's the spin I would use.

To say that the US military hands out medals for valor like cheap candy basically follows that path where those who have won medals for their service should treat their medals like cheap jewelry.

[sarge43]

28. I could make a case that US military does pass out non-combat

medals like cheap candy. I have a nose bleed rant about the Good Conduct Medal. However, at least during the Nam era, the combat decorations were, mmmmm, hard to come by.

[WCGreen]

41. One Word...

Grenada....

There were more medals handed out there than soldiers who actually participated in the operation....

[The Deacon]

24. I live in the Albany, GA area

'Bill Fry' claims to have been 'Director of Management Information Systems' for the City of Albany, GA - trouble is, that particular department is called the 'Information Technology Department.' The local paper's (Albany Herald) archives don't go back very far, but they don't return anything with a 'Bill Fry.' Curious, also, that an ex-Marine would mention Albany, GA by name & talk about good buddies in PA who were ex-Marines - but not mention the Marine Corps Logistics Base here in town (one of the Metro Area's biggest employers & site for 'up-armouring' many of the vehicles shipping out to Iraq.)
And is he a retired U.S. Army major or retired Marine Corps major?

[sinkingfeeling]

30. So 'Bill Fry' doesn't know if he served in the US Marines or the US Army?

"Account of Bill Fry, Major, US Army (Retired)"

"Mr. Fry entered the Marine Corps as a private on his 17th Birthday in 1955 and spent the next 21 years in a most interesting and productive career. He advanced through the enlisted ranks to staff sergeant and then was appointed a Warrant Officer and was later commissioned a second lieutenant. He advanced to the rank of major before retiring in 1976."



http://www.bootmurtha.com/MurthaUpdates/JULY2006/07-26-06.htm

[sarge43]

39. Staff Sergeant was a Marine rank designation? n/t

[geardaddy]

35. Geez, look at this

Here's a telling paragraph...

"While Bob was teaching me Agriculture, he had the occasion to beat the hell out of me because of a major infraction to the rules of the school. He once broke a ¾ inch thick, 3-inch-wide paddle over my posterior, and I could not sit down for 7 days. I had made up my mind that I was not going to scream or beg for lenience, and therefore the beating continued till the paddle was in splinters."

I think this guy has some serious issues!

[geardaddy]

36. Was this a guy a Marine or in the Army?

The byline says: Account of Bill Fry, Major, US Army (Retired)

And it is signed: Bill Fry, Major, USMC (Ret.)

I think this guy is lying.

[AtomicKitten]

37. each one of these swiftboat liars

should be sued for everything they own and then some and prosecuted if possible. The audacity these assholes exhibit in making disparaging remarks is surreal.

The Democrats must come out hard and in a timely fashion against this BS. Kerry really took it in the shorts for holding back.

This is particularly egregious knowing Junior's military record, such as it was, was scrubbed.

[DemoTex]

44. The truth matters not one whit to these people.

The military record of their fearless leader is a damnable lie (and they know it!). They have no problem whatever lying about anything or anybody. Kerry, Cleland, Rather, Murtha, and a host of others have found this out the hard way. My guess is that the Swift-Boat-Liars' credibility with 70% of the American people is in the toilet with Bu$h's credibility, and a bunch of un-flushed shit.

Meanwhile, Mr. Bill Fry needs to trot out his DD-214 ASAP. His story smells like that aforementioned toilet bowl.

[Dr Fate]

38. ...

n/t

[Cha]

43. Jack Murtha is a

fucking hero to me, asshole!

Somebody has to stand up to mentally challenged one in the white house and his war crimes!!

[snowbear]

45. How do you suppose we can contact this guy?

Per Google-

William Fry, [phone], 1283 Pauline Ave, Columbus, OH 43224
William Fry, [phone], 523 Northridge Rd, Columbus, OH 43214
Bill Fry, [phone] - 13926 County Road 1-50, Edon, OH 43518
Bill Fry, [phone] - 1512 Martin Rd, Mogadore, OH 44260

Was there any other clues about exactly who he is?

Notice how he doesn't allow comments on his blog? Only donations to his lame cause.

[Phrogman]

47. I know the creator of the "Boot Murtha" website from my time at SpecWar

He's Larry Bailey, a former director of BUDS in Coronado. (SEAL boot camp)

He's a desk jockey, the type that spent his career getting his ticket punched and ducking platoon deployments.

Yes, there are shitbirds in the highest ranks of SEAL team. I figure somebody's paying him to do this site, I really don't think he's smart enough to have designed it on his own.

[blm]

48. Kickin so more eyeballs see your post, Phrogman.

Dem vets have to know we're sticking with them.

[Phrogman]

51. Well, I'm a former SEAL also, and I support Mr.Murtha 100%

I don't like the idea that Bailey had of putting the Specwar emblem (Trident) on his goofy website slandering a military hero and honorable Congressman.

Like somehow NavSpecWar endorses this kind of trash. And I'm here to tell ya it just ain't so.

[sarge43]

49. Congressman Murtha needs to know this. n/t

[Contrary1]

50. Look what the Asshats did to this guy...

"Andre Barclay contributes 1-cent to BootMurtha and says, "Hope it helps"

They posted his email, phone number, and address.

http://www.bootmurtha.com/MurthaUpdates/JUNE2006/06-30-06.htm#andre

[sarge43]

52. That stunt should encourage lots of contributions

:sarcasm:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. That's sick!

I can only imagine the abuse that guy is getting from some of America's finest Fascists..

[LittleClarkie]

54. Begins? It seems like they've been trying for a while

but nothing much sticks.

[dave123williams]

55. I fail to see how they're 'moral' if they result to obvious lies.

Maybe the have some kind of rationale for it, like, "I'm lying for Jeebus, and I'm lying for America! I'm doing the right thing!"

[ray of light]

56. They're shameless!