DUers who supported Denise Majette over Cynthia McKinney,

[1932]

you should get American Blackout from Netflix and see for yourself the Republicans who fooled you into hating McKinney.

http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70045708&trkid=90529

[LeighAnn]

1. I don't think anybody did, did they?

I can't remember one single DU thread in support of Denise Majette back in the day :shrug:

[JanusAscending]

2. Maybe not, but....

they sure tore Cynthia Mckinney to shreds! Ripped her a new one , they did!!

[Luminous Animal]

8. Indeed they did.

And most of them will never realize that they had been led through the nose by the very "Rovian" propaganda scheme that they regularly rail against.

Cynthia was a target for a long long time and this board helped to kill her. If she had had the oppotunity to win her seat she would have been one of Conyers greatest allies in the house.

[zbdent]

13. I'm still waiting for the video footage which supports

the "cop" in this case ... damn near everything has been on video since 9/11 (if not before) ... so where was the video of "Cynthia McKinney" attacking the security guard? Nowhere ... but the video was available of the "9/11 hijackers" rushing through the airport on 9/11 ...

[LostinVA]

33. Tell me about it -- you know it would have been shown 24/7 IF

it showed Rep. McKinney hitting the cop.

She was targeted.

And, the harsh and often nasty posts about her on DU often shock me.

[Katzenjammer]

24. "most of them will never realize"

Oh, I think most of them realized it fine. But it was a lie they enjoyed telling because it got rid of Cynthia.

[LostinVA]

34. Bingo

[martymar64]

70. They would like more Joementum in Congress

They're so afraid of offending ReNAMBLAcans that they would rather have empty suits with a small "d" than someone who will fight for us.
Cowards.

[goclark]

67. Sure did, worse than Rush did

and that slime ball Ed Schultz bagged on McKinney for one full hour.


Why do we buy into their Rove stuff all the time~~

[1932]

3. I was lurking then and remember a poster with a Latino name --

Carlos? (I think he posts at Kos now). He was the ringlinder and there was a very agressive group of people who followed his lead.

[jonnyblitz]

5. jiacinto was his screenname.

carlos is his actual name. you are correct.

[IndianaGreen]

20. He was a real bad closet case!

But I miss him. He responded to my Chavez post at Kos.

I think he was more liberal than his posts at DU. We get ourselves in a certain ideological niche on the internet, when in reality we are more pragmatic than we appear.

[KoKo]

40. I don't remember Carlos being liberal....but then he did post as a

devil's advocate many times.

If he's posting at Kos ....hope he got his life together. It wasn't going so good when he left DU.

[KoKo]

41. Cynthia was set up. And would have been an asset to the House in calling

for investigations of Bush. She gave great speeches on the floor of the House if anyone ever heard her. She's the type of fiery Dem we could use a few more of.

[tkmorris]

6. Oh yes they did

There were several DU'ers that expressed they were "uncomfortable" with McKinney's politics, and her stridency. They just loved to post comments attributed to her father especially, and paint her as guilty by association. And so on.

Oh yes, they were here. And a select few still are. Can't name names though, that isn't cricket.

[rinsd]

49. No, but there were plenty trashing her for daring to run against McKinney

She was called various nasty names (Oreo, Uncle Tom)vjust like Hank Johnson was.

There are some right on this thread that felt comfortable doing so.

Even though Majette had a liberal voting record and even though Hank Johnson is a decent man.

Fuck MckInney supports and their cult of personality bullshit.

[Don1]

86. It's called collective amnesia

and we are all guilty of it.

[oasis]

4. Posters came out of the woodwork to trash McKinney, in 2002 AND 2006.

Not all of them were Democrats.:puke:

[bananas]

7. It was shameful

Some of them were Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=832685&mesg_id=833174

[oasis]

22. Cynthia pulled the masks off a few of our "comrades in arms" who

roam these parts.

Gotta thank her for that.;-)

[enigmacat]

9. I love me some McKinney. She has major cajones.

[bananas]

11. major huevos. nt

[rman]

10. Capitol Hill Police Officers Speak Out

http://gnn.tv/videos/63/The_Last_Plantation

Capitol Hill Police Officers Speak Out!

McKinney-Capitol Police incident part of systemic racism of Capitol Police force says African American officers

Capitol Hill is ‘Last Plantation’ according to officers

Atlanta, GA – Cynthia McKinney was deliberately targeted by white U.S. Capitol Police Officers, part of the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force say four African American Capitol Officers. The startling revelation, coming a week before her primary run-off against Hank Johnson, came in a video released by Ian Inaba, director of the Sundance award winning American Blackout (which will open early in an exclusive engagement this Friday in Atlanta).

The video shows four anonymous African American officers discussing what they see as the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force. In particular, they say, is a double standard that exists for both black officers and Members of Congress – something that leaves the U.S. Capitol as what they term the “last plantation.”

“I know the black members are disrespected, I’ve seen instances where black members are disrespected,” said one officer in the video. “They’ll do things to black Members that they don’t do to white Members.”

...

“I’ve heard them say, ‘Well when certain members come through here, in particular Cynthia McKinney, she ain’t just gonna run up these steps. I’m gonna stop her,” said the officer. “It’s almost like they be waiting … want confrontation.”

...

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. I guessed that was the issue

They knew who she was and used their minimal power to stop her every chance they got. Their message: you don't belong here. And she got fed up with it and finally lost it.

Having said that, I think she did herself in. She could have stopped them through appropriate channels rather than letting them goad her into assault. It was stupid.

[robcon]

12. We're well rid of McKinney

She was/is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[robcon]

18. That's a pathetic response, Solon.

You've got me figured out...

I hate being right.
I hate black people.
I hate women.
I hate people with opinions.

(':sarcasm:')

[1932]

19. Will you watch American Blackout?

[ClassWarrior]

27. Listen... crickets chirping...

NGU.

[1932]

29. Aggressively Uninformed

or passively aggressively unwilling to be informed. It makes it hard to have a discussion.

[LostinVA]

36. Yup

[rinsd]

51. Hey we can't all drink the Mckinney koolaid but to each his own (nt)

[rinsd]

50. Why would one watch a propaganda film?

Do you think its really going to change any minds?

[1932]

75. So, you'd be very happy if nobody watched this documentary?

[1932]

and if you watch American Blackout you can see the Republicans who

convinced you to believe that.

Seriously.

[1932]

16. and if you watch American Blackout you can see the Republicans who

convinced you to believe that.

Seriously.

[rman]

17. That may be true for you,

(not much of a surprise there) but it is not true for many here.

Have you even looked at this:
?


Capitol Hill Police Officers Speak Out
http://gnn.tv/videos/63/The_Last_Plantation

McKinney-Capitol Police incident part of systemic racism of Capitol Police force says African American officers

Capitol Hill is ‘Last Plantation’ according to officers

Atlanta, GA – Cynthia McKinney was deliberately targeted by white U.S. Capitol Police Officers, part of the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force say four African American Capitol Officers. The startling revelation, coming a week before her primary run-off against Hank Johnson, came in a video released by Ian Inaba, director of the Sundance award winning American Blackout (which will open early in an exclusive engagement this Friday in Atlanta).

The video shows four anonymous African American officers discussing what they see as the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force. In particular, they say, is a double standard that exists for both black officers and Members of Congress – something that leaves the U.S. Capitol as what they term the “last plantation.”

“I know the black members are disrespected, I’ve seen instances where black members are disrespected,” said one officer in the video. “They’ll do things to black Members that they don’t do to white Members.”

...

“I’ve heard them say, ‘Well when certain members come through here, in particular Cynthia McKinney, she ain’t just gonna run up these steps. I’m gonna stop her,” said the officer. “It’s almost like they be waiting … want confrontation.”

...

[oasis]

21. Mckinney was swiftboated by righties and cannibalized by quasi-lefties.

There's plenty of fight left in the old girl. She'll be back, stronger than ever.:woohoo:

[marions ghost]

23. yep

swiftboated. Scary how easy it was for them to scrape her off.

[1932]

28. They show how Tucker Carlson and Novak joined two completely different

parts of a speech to make a quote that sounded unreasonable. In the movie, they play the whole quote and it's very reasonable.

They really really lied about her, and a lot of Democrats were so willing to believe the lies without question. (Which I think is the interesting part of the story -- why are libeals so willing to unquestioningly accept things that TUCKER CARLSON says about democrats?????)

They also show McKinney asking Rumsfield questions on her subcommittee and you get an excellent sense of what the American people lose by not having McKinney in Congress.

[marions ghost]

35. You just have to look at the swiftboating....

I'm open to looking again at what happened to McKinney and thanks for mentioning the video. Too many liberals jumped on the bandwagon with very little real information. But that's the problem with living in a culture of soundbites.

[Katzenjammer]

68. "why are libeals so willing to unquestioningly accept Carlson's lies?"

What makes you think that those who do it are liberals?

[geek tragedy]

32. She was a left-wing Joe Lieberman who accused Al Gore

of being a racist in 2000.

As I said, good effing riddance to that sideshow nutter.

[oasis]

61. IIRC, she said Gore seemed "uneasy" around black people. That's

a far cry from calling him a racists.

[geek tragedy]

65. "Gore's Negro tolerance level has never been

too high. I've never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time."

That was in 2000--during the heat of the Presidential election.

As I said, a leftwing Joe Lieberman. She won't be missed.

[1932]

76. Here are the facts behind that story:

Congresswoman Disclaims Gore Comment
By Jeffrey McMurray
Associated Press Writer
Friday, Sept. 8, 2000; 6:30 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– A black congresswoman who asserted Vice President Al Gore has a low "Negro tolerance level" backed off Friday, saying the claim was in a draft statement not meant to be released.Rep. Cynthia McKinney's office issued a statement on Aug. 29 related to a lawsuit brought by three black Secret Service agents in which she said Gore's "Negro tolerance level has never been too high."

...

"These remarks originated in a draft of a press release that was in the editing process and were never intended for public distribution. I disclaim all of those comments," she said in the new statement. The lawsuit contends black agents are passed over for promotions on Gore's security detail. The agents contend the vice president has done nothing to address the situation.

...

After McKinney issued her retraction, a campaign spokeswoman said it was clear the congresswoman didn't want the statement to come out and that Gore was pleased to have her support. Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin said 30 percent of the agents assigned to Gore's detail are minorities or women, and 18 percent are black. In addition, blacks hold 40 percent of the "whip" positions – senior agents who occasionally supervise the detail. Attorney Ron Schmidt, who represents the black Secret Service agents, said he does not believe Gore is racist "and I don't think any of the agents do." "But they're very concerned Gore is brushing them off. It's disconcerting for these guys to put their lives on the line for the protectee while at the same time the candidate is acting with complete indifference toward them," he said.

In her later statement, McKinney said the Secret Service matter still deserves "serious attention and vigorous investigation," but she warned Republicans not to use the earlier statement to "divide and confuse the voters."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20000908/aponline183030_001.htm

[geek tragedy]

77. It goes to show that's she's batshit insane and utterly

careless when spouting off.

[1932]

80. Or that someone on her staff was incompetent,

or that someone on her staff was doing the republicans a big favor, or that she cares a lot about the secret service agents, or some combination of those factors including that all of the Republicans and some Democrats were very inclined to take incidents like this and blow them out of proportion in order to get her out of office...as the documentary addresses.

[brentspeak]

83. In other words, she was a race-card-pulling disgrace

[LostinVA]

37. I don't think the poster is interested in this

[geek tragedy]

25. You mean like the voters in her district?

Boo hoo and good riddance.

[1932]

26. Will you watch the movie? They have open primaries in GA

so she's losing primary battles to Democrats who are funded by Republicans and in which there 14,000 Republicans are voting as Democrats and she's not making it to the general election where she would surely win if she won the primary.

So the voters in her district are NOT getting the candidate they want as their Congressperson.

You should cry.

[geek tragedy]

31. She got her butt kicked by a liberal Democrat, 59-41,

this time around.

McKinney's own constituents didn't think very highly of her.

[LostinVA]

39. Open primaries

[geek tragedy]

45. So?

Is there any evidence that she lost because of Republicans voting?

Last time I checked, she was blaming voting machines . . .

[rinsd]

55. Pardon them Geek they must recycle attack points

See Johnson saw the Uncle Tom bs even though he has been working for the people on the county commission for quite some time.

Johnson saw the out of state money charge, even though it was McKinney that was raking in out of state dough.

So of course the crossover voting is cited

The old lies are the best ones.....

[ClassWarrior]

43. You didn't answer the question. Will you watch the movie?

NGU.

[geek tragedy]

44. I've seen several discussions about the film

on other sites. I'll pass. If there are real facts instead of allegations put on film, I'm sure some indie journalist can uncover them.

By the way, the fact that the Congressional Black Caucus didn't side with her speaks volumes . . .

[ClassWarrior]

46. Ah, don't want to spoil your beautiful mind?

:rofl:

NGU.

[rinsd]

54. LOL

What kind of bat shit logic dictates that one must watch a propaganda film or one is close minded?

[ClassWarrior]

56. What kind of goofy logic allows one to label a movie "propaganda" even...

...though he or she has never even seen it - all the while rabidly claiming "open-mindedness?"

:crazy:

(Actually, judging by recent reactions to Woodward's book, Rape-Publican logic. Never mind, I answered my own question.)

NGU.

[rinsd]

58. Aww yes the old cowardly McKinney supporter technique

Dare not kiss the queen's ring, get called a Republican.

I suppose if I were a black man, I would have been called worse.

Let's see, I didn't have to watch Path to 9/11 because I was well aware of its material and its inaccuracy. When I read reviews of this when it first came out, I was not impressed. When I see quotes like "blow your mind away" from Greg Palast, I know what I am getting.

[ClassWarrior]

59. All I support is being informed. And obviously that panics you.

I didn't call you a Rape-Publican. Why so touchy?

NGU.

[rinsd]

60. IF you wish to dance in circles be my guest

"I didn't call you a Rape-Publican."

You're right. All you did was state my mindset was similar. That's totally different :eyes:

"All I support is being informed."

You support information for one side. And I'; not talking left/right, centrist/radical or any more conventional divisions. I'm talking McKinney and everyone else. The voting stuff is great, the tie in to tireless champion Queen McKinney is not.

"And obviously that panics you"

Panic? LOL. The only thing I am not looking forward to is when McKinney runs again and her supporters again dredge up lies about decent Democrats.

[ClassWarrior]

66. I only said you're behaving like one. And that seems to make you nervous.

I said you were using their logic in one particular instance. I'd think a Progressive would be ashamed of that kind of behavior - not defend it.

Hell, you called my logic "bat shit crazy." I didn't take that to mean you consider me clinically insane. But you've extrapolated my comment to suggest that you are a Rape-Publican, and for some reason you're getting defensive about that.

Hmmm... now that you mention it, what kind of Progressive would derisively call a black woman a "queen?"

NGU.

[loudsue]

63. ClassWarrior....

please don't give these people fuel to keep posting. Just ignoring them is the best tactic. They don't know, and they'll NEVER know how valuable McKinney is to this country. Either that, or they know, and they're determined to spin the truth around on its head to spread their propaganda.

Either way, don't feed 'em.

:hug: WE know how dangerous McKinney was/is to the corporatists that are ruining this country. Truth -- which McKinney tells without reservation and with great courage -- is too much of a threat to those who are determined to maintain control, and to ruin our nation.

[ClassWarrior]

64. Yes, but they're helping keep a thread about the film kicked...

...which means even more people will learn about it.

Incidentally, "American Blackout" is being hailed at film festivals from coast to coast. I can't wait to see it. (And judge it on its own merits, not preconceptions, I might add... B-) )

NGU.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

69. Perfectly normal logic of the kind logicians use, actually.

There are any number of films that I've never seen that I know full well are propaganda for various causes; I'm sure that if you think for a minute you'll realise the same is true of yourself ("Path to 9/11" ring any bells?).

Judging a book by its cover is foolish. Judging a book by its reviews, and what people who've read it say about it, is perfectly reasonable.

[1932]

74. When Path to 9/11 was aired, DU'ers watched it and had live, active

discussion about it.

It would seem silly to me if they would watch and discuss that movie, but refuse to watch American Blackout.

[rinsd]

53. Bullshit

"she's losing primary battles to Democrats who are funded by Republicans"

Beyond accusations of her candiacy and her toadie paper the APN and this film where is the proof the Hank Johnson received mostly republican funding or Majette for that matter? The only one with funding violations in 2002 was Mckinney

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=71157

Who decided to illegally keep monies she was supposed to reinburse? Hint: wasn't Majette.

Where's you excuse for that one?

"and in which there 14,000 Republicans are voting as Democrats and she's not making it to the general election where she would surely win if she won the primary."

And the constituents got a reliable liberal vote in Congress for those two years and it would have been great is Denise could have taken that Senate seat. No Democrats dared do it but Majette did knowing that her district would not fall into Republican hands. When was the last time MckInney did anything for the party?

And for the miliionth time, if McKinney supporters weren't such scroched earth assholes many Duers wouldn't even bother but they choose to slime other Democrats for their own political purposes and that's a bunch of bullshit.

[1932]

71. This district was carved out to give black voters their own little

district and not threaten safe seats for politicians who didn't want to represent their interests. But when the inevitable liberal black politician got elected who did represent their interests, Republicans supported moderate democrats in open primaries to get her out. If the primary were the general election and turnout were as high as it is in the general election and if people realized who was backing which candidate, then the Republican party wouldn't get their Democrat in office.

You may be happy that a moderate Democrat beat a liberal Democrat -- and that's fine, I'm not going to begrudge you your moderate politics --but please don't be a hypocrite. I don't see how a sensible person could deny that it took a lot of deceipt and manipulation by people who don't care for liberal politics -- like Tucker Carlson, Novak, and the Republicans they interview in this movie who admit to working on Majette's behalf -- to get that result.

[LostinVA]

38. Open primaries in GA

[lonehalf]

30. First of all it was Hank Johnson who...

...defeated McKinney. Here's his web page: http://www.hankforcongress.com/

Secondly, it was our party (who used to control the Georgia political scene) who instituted "crossover voting".

As I remember we did it so that we could crossover to the Republican Primary and select our opponents.

And, by the way, Hank is VERY Progressive.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. Yes, but he doesn't represent the Black Helicopters wing...

...of the Democratic party, so he'll get savaged by lunatics anyway.

[ClassWarrior]

52. Who's "savaging" him? The poster only suggests folks see the movie.

Of course, that suggestion gets ridiculed by the "I'm so Insecure in My Own Opinion That I Can't Even Watch a Movie for Fear of Being Proven Wrong" wing of the Dem Party.

NGU.

[rinsd]

57. Or perhaps those of us who supported Majette....

...have been doing this for quite some time and are well aware of the facts which tend to be quite different from what is offered up by McKinney supporters.

But really you are cracking me up with the "watch this propaganda film or you're close minded" schtick

[otohara]

42. An Old Friend of Mine Living in GA

who was once very cool and is now a very icky republican gave money to Majette's campaign. Now I know why!!

[rinsd]

48. Duer who continue to hate Denise Majette for no reason

Check out her voting record.

It would have been great to have her in the Senate.

[1932]

72. I don't hate Majette. I hate the manipulations and lies that torpedoed

McKinney because she did things like asked Rumsfield hard questions on her committee and wanted every vote counted.

[robcon]

79. Again, McKinney's supporters resort to ridiculous accusations...

Upthread, Solon, in order to silence her critics, suggested that anyone who disliked McKinney was anti-truth, anti-black and anti-women.

Now 1932 alleges what "torpedoed" McKinney was that "she did things like asked Rumsfield hard questions on her committee and wanted every vote counted."

Again, another McKinney supporter tries to suggest that McKinney was some sort of martyr, as if asking tough questions and wanting every vote counted isn't boilerplate Democratic Party points.

That's not what torpedoed her. It was her actions and words that proved to her district that she was an embarrassment.

[1932]

81. Again, see the documentary.

How can it be her words and actions, when Tucker Carlson and Robert Novak had to invent quotes?

[robcon]

89. Again, another baseless accusation, 1932

I don't care what Tucker Carlson said, or Robert Novak wrote. I haven't ever seen Carlson for more than a moment while changing channels on TV, and I don't think I've read Novak in years.

It's what McKinney said, and her office released, and what she did that bothers many DUers.

[rman]

90. What about what Capitol Hill Police Officers say?

You may ignore this, but not without your ignoring it being noticed.


Capitol Hill Police Officers Speak Out
http://gnn.tv/videos/63/The_Last_Plantation

McKinney-Capitol Police incident part of systemic racism of Capitol Police force says African American officers

Capitol Hill is ‘Last Plantation’ according to officers

Atlanta, GA – Cynthia McKinney was deliberately targeted by white U.S. Capitol Police Officers, part of the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force say four African American Capitol Officers. The startling revelation, coming a week before her primary run-off against Hank Johnson, came in a video released by Ian Inaba, director of the Sundance award winning American Blackout (which will open early in an exclusive engagement this Friday in Atlanta).

The video shows four anonymous African American officers discussing what they see as the systemic racism of the U.S. Capitol Police Force. In particular, they say, is a double standard that exists for both black officers and Members of Congress – something that leaves the U.S. Capitol as what they term the “last plantation.”

“I know the black members are disrespected, I’ve seen instances where black members are disrespected,” said one officer in the video. “They’ll do things to black Members that they don’t do to white Members.”

...

“I’ve heard them say, ‘Well when certain members come through here, in particular Cynthia McKinney, she ain’t just gonna run up these steps. I’m gonna stop her,” said the officer. “It’s almost like they be waiting … want confrontation.”

...

[1932]

91. But every accusation I've read at DU about McKinney looks very different

when i see the whole story, like the Gore story in the Post above, or post 90 where black officers corroborate McKinney's verision of the capitol hill police claims, or when you see American Blackout.

So you can have your opinions, and you can believe that they're formed by non-hearsay facts that you perceived yourself. But I think it's still important to consider the side of the argument that's presented in American Blackout.

Will you concede to me that much? Will you at least consider the argument in American Blackout, and, perhaps, address it with something more than what I've seen in this thread (which is largely labelling and not argument).

[Buzz Clik]

62. McKinney swiftboated? Torn to shreds? errrrr....

Every time we turned around, McKinney was getting face time for something totally bizarre. The voters in her district clearly tired of her antics. She needed no help or prodding from her enemies -- her wounds were self-inflicted.

[1932]

73. Again, you need to watch the documenatary if that's what you believe.

[brentspeak]

84. Shouldn't you be more interested in getting Hank Johnson elected

than posting thirty responses, urging people to watch a film?

[1932]

85. sooner people see this doc, more they'll know & hank's gonna win easily

which is why Republicans vote in the dem primaries in open primary states -- if they had any chance of winning general elec, they wouldn't do this

[Crunchy Frog]

78. If someone supported Majette instead of McKinney

does that automatically mean that they hate McKinney? That seems like a bit of a stretch in the mind reading department. Maybe some of them just thought Majette was a better candidate.

Note, I don't have a horse in this race. I don't live anywhere near the district, and didn't have any preference in the outcome. I just think people should be free to support a candidate for office without having their motives or their thought processes second guessed.

[1932]

88. Watch the docu and judge for yourself the emotion the Republican

consultant who worked for free producing anti-McKinney literature was trying to evince from voters, and judge for yourself the emotions Carlson and Novak were tryingt to create when they were fabricating quotes on CNN.

Yes, obviously any two voters don't have identical reasons for voting a particular way, but they do respond to much of the same media and campaign advertisements and strategies.

[brentspeak]

82. Who cares? I'm looking forward to Hank Johnson winning election.

[1932]

87. Then ff to 50% that's about voter disenfranchisement in OH '04