RIP PNAC

[lwcon]

That was fast. Bill Kristol stumbles through his latest "Daily Show" interview, and now, it appears, PNAC is folding its tent.

This new American century will be anticlimactic, since its main project was accomplished so quickly:

Gary Schmitt used to be a senior figure at the "New American Century" project. Now he is director of strategic studies at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), and he says the project has come to a natural end.

"When the project started, it was not intended to go forever. That is why we are shutting it down. We would have had to spend too much time raising money for it and it has already done its job.

For a fascinating look at the history of the neo-cons and their operatic relationship with the Islamists, see here (video).

See also: Kristol bloviating about the "surge," which he argues should last at least as long as Bush does.

As Bill Maher said, "Hey, you know what, Nostradamus? Why don't you sit this one out?"

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[Avalux]

1. The label may be retired; the neocons aren't going anywhere.

The AEI, an organization created to put forth the ideals of PNAC, is still very much alive. Its 'scholars' are all neocons and I'd love to believe they've accepted defeat and will just go away. They're a bunch of weasels and will emerge in another form.

[lwcon]

3. I am quite certain that you are correct

Still, it's a pleasing moment to see that Leo Strauss monument get toppled.

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[Vanje]

7. The AEI. How is this organization funded? Do they run NPR now?

Seems each time I tune in my NPR station, I'm hearing opinion from some "scholar" from the American Enterprise Institute.

[yankhadenuf]

12. Daily Kos: AEI Exposes ISG 'Process'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/8/8451/74695

[Vanje]

18. Kind thanks, yankhadenuf nt

[Tellurian]

11. Yes, PNAC's last breath breathes life into a new entity,

the AEI and alter mouthpiece, NPR..

These charlatans will never go away.

They morph themselves faster than you can say, NEOCONS, twice!

[BOSSHOG]

2. "Already done its job?"

Like getting us into a war based on a lie. Great Job. Getting untold thousands of human being killed for no reason. Way to go boys, heckuva job.

PNAC should go away because anyone remotely connected to it should be tried, found guilty and hanged until dead.

[jaxx]

5. I like your answer better.

In the dirty word book, PNAC ranks right under Bush.

[BOSSHOG]

10. They are classic conservatives

Fuck something up intentionally and then take zero responsibility.

My hate is rational.

[lwcon]

9. The perfect "Kristolization" of the anti-reality based PoV

Declaring "Mission Accomplished" for PNAC perfectly illustrates how divorced these guys are from reality.

Having gotten the U.S. to invade Iraq is "success" -- even though it's disastrous, immoral, and outrageously expensive -- because it means that these guys have successfully asserted their will over us and the rest of the world. That's all that matters, not the consequences of this shameful fiasco.

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[jaxx]

4. PNAC got what it wanted......war in Iraq.

Who's next?

[lwcon]

6. Iran, of course n/t

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[yankhadenuf]

8. PNAC just changed names... now its FDD (Fascist Draconian Dictators)

We must stay forever vigilant:


http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

[Golden Raisin]

13. I wouldn't be writing out any death

certificates just yet. These guys will show up somewhere else, under some other name or aegis, still wreaking harm & havoc on the USA.

[zulchzulu]

14. Not so fast...it's still alive and under different acronyms

PNAC may be "dead", but the influences and signatories are still alive. Only when they are no longer in positions of influence will PNAC be "dead".

And they are certainly still around.

[dave_p]

15. Mission accomplished!

This was the mission. A few thousand dead Americans and a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis isn't the sort of detail to bother the wreckers of all human achievement at PNAC. We'd be naive to iagine they ever wanted anything more than destruction for its own sake. They'll go on in some new guise, but as the same morally and intellectually bankrupt clique of shadowy cowards & bullies, glorifying war in place of any peaceful attempt at progress, like disgusting parasites on the diseased war machine that represents the summit of their aspirations.

[windbreeze]

20. how about we don't forget

that they called for a catalyzing and catastrophic event such as a "new Pearl Harbor"....and actually managed to get one delivered to us...
windbreeze

[Botany]

16. "and it has already done its job."

Putting out shear propaganda as news through
The NY Times, NPR, Fox, Meet the Press, and other "news vessels"

Getting a puppet into power aka bush .... who would do their bidding

9/11 = "A new Pearl Harbor"

2 shame elections

A war in Iraq

billions in profits to war contractors

W is pushing for an Iran war now


They are not going away trust me; they are just closing shop because Iraq is in the shitter
will continue their horse shit.

I want to to slug Kristol every time I see him smiling his way through an Interview.

[Jack Rabbit]

17. When you bury it, don't forget to drive a stake through its heart

We wouldn't want this thing coming back.

[Imagevision]

19. PNAC couldn't care less about parties, only leadership and results of their plans implemented

Big business founded this country it will always continue to run it.

A quote from "The Good Sheperd"
Q. What does the CIA have?
A."We have the United States of America, everyone else here is just visiting".

[BlueJac]

21. The Neo-Nuts are not to be trusted...........

No matter what some of those fools say.

[MGKrebs]

22. Has Will Marshall abandoned ship yet?

[Doctor_J]

23. Yeah right

exactly what has changed since the historic election of Nov 7? Escalate the invasion? Check. Another $100B taken from working people and given to the pentagon and its lobbyists and beneficiaries? Check. Smirk plowing right along with his entire agenda? Check. Media still treating him and the GOP like royalty? Check. Jeb being rammed down our throats for 2008? Check.

[seafan]

24. A reminder of the cast of these evil PNAC characters:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


Elliott Abrams

Gary Bauer

William J. Bennett

Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney

Eliot A. Cohen

Midge Decter

Paula Dobriansky

Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg

Francis Fukuyama

Frank Gaffney

Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan

Zalmay Khalilzad

I. Lewis Libby

Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle

Peter W. Rodman

Stephen P. Rosen

Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld

Vin Weber

George Weigel

Paul Wolfowitz

[Stephanie]

DU's PNAC Archive

We were onto these slimy MFs long before shock and awe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80

[formercia]

25. Don't forget the names that started it all:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020605185832/www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

THE PROJECT FOR THE
NEW AMERICAN CENTURY

Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3); the New Citizenship Project's chairman is William Kristol and its president is Gary Schmitt.


Project Directors

William Kristol, Chairman

Robert Kagan

Bruce Jackson

Project Staff

Gary Schmitt, Executive Director

Thomas Donnelly, Deputy Executive Director

Ellen Bork, Senior Fellow

Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow, Director of the Middle East Initiative

Christopher Maletz, Assistant Director

[Stephanie]

28. And of course the sister group, the CLI

Proud member, Joementum.

[Stephanie]

26. Somebody needs to mirror the site and archive all the documents

I don't have technical skills to do this but we need to preserve the evidence for all time. Can amybody do it?

[formercia]

32. 2005 seems to have the most pages

after that things start to disappear.

[formercia]

27. and the letter to Fearless Leader on 9/20/2001

http://web.archive.org/web/20020601220201/www.newamericancentury.org/Bushletter.htm

September 20, 2001

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We write to endorse your admirable commitment to “lead the world to victory” in the war against terrorism. We fully support your call for “a broad and sustained campaign” against the “terrorist organizations and those who harbor and support them.” We agree with Secretary of State Powell that the United States must find and punish the perpetrators of the horrific attack of September 11, and we must, as he said, “go after terrorism wherever we find it in the world” and “get it by its branch and root.” We agree with the Secretary of State that U.S. policy must aim not only at finding the people responsible for this incident, but must also target those “other groups out there that mean us no good” and “that have conducted attacks previously against U.S. personnel, U.S. interests and our allies.”

In order to carry out this “first war of the 21st century” successfully, and in order, as you have said, to do future “generations a favor by coming together and whipping terrorism,” we believe the following steps are necessary parts of a comprehensive strategy.

Osama bin Laden

We agree that a key goal, but by no means the only goal, of the current war on terrorism should be to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, and to destroy his network of associates. To this end, we support the necessary military action in Afghanistan and the provision of substantial financial and military assistance to the anti-Taliban forces in that country.

Iraq

We agree with Secretary of State Powell’s recent statement that Saddam Hussein “is one of the leading terrorists on the face of the Earth….” It may be that the Iraqi government provided assistance in some form to the recent attack on the United States. But even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism. The United States must therefore provide full military and financial support to the Iraqi opposition. American military force should be used to provide a “safe zone” in Iraq from which the opposition can operate. And American forces must be prepared to back up our commitment to the Iraqi opposition by all necessary means.

Hezbollah

Hezbollah is one of the leading terrorist organizations in the world. It is suspected of having been involved in the 1998 bombings of the American embassies in Africa, and implicated in the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983. Hezbollah clearly falls in the category cited by Secretary Powell of groups “that mean us no good” and “that have conducted attacks previously against U.S. personnel, U.S. interests and our allies.” Therefore, any war against terrorism must target Hezbollah. We believe the administration should demand that Iran and Syria immediately cease all military, financial, and political support for Hezbollah and its operations. Should Iran and Syria refuse to comply, the administration should consider appropriate measures of retaliation against these known state sponsors of terrorism.

--snip--

Sincerely,

William Kristol

Richard V. Allen �� Gary Bauer �� Jeffrey Bell �� �� William J. Bennett �� ��

Rudy Boshwitz �� Jeffrey Bergner �� �� Eliot Cohen �� Seth Cropsey ��

Midge Decter �� �� Thomas Donnelly �� Nicholas Eberstadt �� Hillel Fradkin

Aaron Friedberg �� Francis Fukuyama��� Frank Gaffney �� �� Jeffrey Gedmin ��

Reuel Marc Gerecht��� Charles Hill �� �� Bruce P. Jackson �� Eli S. Jacobs���

Michael Joyce �� �� Donald Kagan �� Robert Kagan ���Jeane Kirkpatrick

Charles Krauthammer �� John Lehman ���Clifford May �� �� Martin Peretz ��

Richard Perle ���Norman Podhoretz �� �� Stephen P. Rosen �� Randy Scheunemann ��

Gary Schmitt �� �� William Schneider, Jr. �� Richard H. Shultz ��Henry Sokolski

Stephen J. Solarz �� Vin Weber�� Leon Wieseltier �� �� Marshall Wittmann

[formercia]

30. Make sure all the names are archived

each letter has different signatories and they may change as the site changed over time.

They can take their names off the site but the wayback machine tells all.


They will all regret putting their names on those documents.

[Morgana LaFey]

29. Nah, they're just going underground. Mark my words.

Snakes like these don't willingly fold their tents and go home. Nuh-huh.

[formercia]

31. Heading for their hidey holes

SMOKE 'EM OUT !!

[LetsGoMurphys]

33. They should have their reunion

in a Federal Prison.