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The Crazy Canadian Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 01:21 PM
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Has anybody ever hear Bush use the term neocon or neoconservative?
I know Bush calls himself a "compassionate conservative", whatever that means, but i've never heard him use the term neoconservative. I'm wondering if he even knows what these guys are about. The first part of his Administration was loaded with them but the departure of Wolfowitz, Pearle, Feith and Libby has dwindled their ranks and influence. The term neoconservative has become more mainstream over the last few years in the corporate media, which is a good thing, but yet i've never heard a top White House official use the term. I'd like to know if anybody heard Bush use the term in public. I don't think he has, but what can you expect from a guy who didn't know that there was Shias and Sunnis differences before invading Iraq.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 01:35 PM
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1. Not really, but the neoconservatives certainly are turning on Dubya
...and throwing him under the bus. This interview with Richard Perle shows once again just how evil and what liars neocons can be IMHO.

<snip>
Vanity Fair Exclusive: Now They Tell Us
Neo Culpa
As Iraq slips further into chaos, the war's neoconservative boosters have turned sharply on the Bush administration, charging that their grand designs have been undermined by White House incompetence. In a series of exclusive interviews, Richard Perle, Kenneth Adelman, David Frum, and others play the blame game with shocking frankness. Target No. 1: the president himself.
by David Rose VF.COM November 3, 2006

I remember sitting with Richard Perle in his suite at London's Grosvenor House hotel and receiving a private lecture on the importance of securing victory in Iraq. "Iraq is a very good candidate for democratic reform," he said. "It won't be Westminster overnight, but the great democracies of the world didn't achieve the full, rich structure of democratic governance overnight. The Iraqis have a decent chance of succeeding." Perle seemed to exude the scent of liberation, as well as a whiff of gunpowder. It was February 2003, and Operation Iraqi Freedom, the culmination of his long campaign on behalf of regime change in Iraq, was less than a month away.

Three years later, Perle and I meet again at his home outside Washington, D.C. It is October, the worst month for U.S. casualties in Iraq in almost two years, and Republicans are bracing for losses in the upcoming midterm elections. As he looks into my eyes, speaking slowly and with obvious deliberation, Perle is unrecognizable as the confident hawk who, as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, had invited the exiled Iraqi dissident Ahmad Chalabi to its first meeting after 9/11. "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet inevitable but is becoming more likely. "And then," says Perle, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."

According to Perle, who left the Defense Policy Board in 2004, this unfolding catastrophe has a central cause: devastating dysfunction within the administration of President George W. Bush. Perle says, "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly.… At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.… I don't think he realized the extent of the opposition within his own administration, and the disloyalty."

Perle goes so far as to say that, if he had his time over, he would not have advocated an invasion of Iraq: "I think if I had been delphic, and had seen where we are today, and people had said, 'Should we go into Iraq?,' I think now I probably would have said, 'No, let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.' … I don't say that because I no longer believe that Saddam had the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction, or that he was not in contact with terrorists. I believe those two premises were both correct. Could we have managed that threat by means other than a direct military intervention? Well, maybe we could have."
<MORE>

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612
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yankhadenuf Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 01:48 PM
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2. Perle is such a liar and Bush is such an idiot
Perle wanted to overthrow Saddam in Iraq (among other things) as long ago as 1996 , and gave his "Clean Break" plan to Netanyahu on July 8, 1996 from the IASPS:

www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
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The Crazy Canadian Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 02:06 PM
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4. I read that article and it was good.
We still need to drive the stake deeper into their dark hearts and the more the public are aware of these bastards the better.
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yankhadenuf Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 01:54 PM
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3. No, I bet Rove won't let him
That is why so many of Bush's followers (voters) don't know he is a NeoCON puppet, they keep it quiet. Bushco sure doesn't like blogs or foreign press or cable TV.

Bush is an idiot, but he is an evil willing puppet. He likes being a "war president".

No American has ever heard Bush use the words Neocon, Neoconservative or PNAC as far as I know.
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