I have an eerie feeling about Obama teaming up with Hillary Clinton

[Lord Byron]

I have this suspicion that Obama will garner a hell of a lot of support (for good or ill) during the primaries but will then make a backroom deal with Hillary Clinton to be her VP candidate. Is this fear justified? What are your thoughts on this? I've heard that they're in the same camp and are well-associated with each other. I'd hate to vote for Clinton. Thoughts? Fears? Am I being paranoid?

Add Edit: I think Barack Obama is perfect VP material, and Clinton might exploit that. Whereas Clinton is a seasoned candidate with plenty of tricks and money up her sleeve.

[peacebird]

1. I hope you are wrong.......

[citygal]

2. I really don't think so...

I really think Hillary's numbers will continue declining. Plus, I heard (from somewhere, maybe here) that the Dems will plan to offer her the Majority Leader position in the Senate to keep her out of the race eventually. I could see Obama teaming up with Clark, though. I think that would be an excellent team.

[SaveElmer]

3. No backroom deal...

My suspician is that Hillary will end up being the nominee...and Obama would certainly be at the top of the VP list...in fact no matter who is the nominee I suspect Obama will be at the top of that list(unless he is the nominee of course)

[Fridays Child]

4. IMHO, a Gore-Obama ticket would be unstoppable. eom

[Tess49]

11. That would be super, wouldn't it?

[AtomicKitten]

14. absolutely

[athena]

23. Now may be Obama's best opportunity.

I used to support Gore-Obama, too, but I've decided that now is the perfect time for Obama to run. As has been pointed out by Washington Post and Chicago Tribune columnists, there is no incumbent to beat, no good candidate on the Republican side, and Bush and his party are as unpopular as they're ever going to be. As for experience, only pundits view that as an important factor -- the public tends to like candidates they perceive as outsiders. There is also an analysis that points out that the public tends to vote for the person who is the opposite of the incumbent -- e.g., Bush 43 after Clinton, Reagan after Carter ...

The most reliable guide to presidential winners over the last quarter of a century is not ideology or charisma or any of the other established factors. It is instead what we might call character typology. That is, after four (or especially eight) years of one type of person, American voters tend to turn their affections toward someone who is that person's opposite — someone whose personality and affect provide a direct contrast to the fellow who's leaving office, who has something the other guy lacked.
...

If my theory is correct, then 2008, coming directly off of Bush's tenure, will be exactly the right time for Obama to run. His themes and his personality — his agreeable nature and penchant for self-contemplation, so utterly unlike the incumbent's petulant, unreflective swagger — will be uniquely in demand in 2008 in a way they just might not be in 2012 or 2016.

[shoopnyc]

5. great. i think its great.

also...edwards is great, gore is great, kerry is great, richardson is great, biden is great, dodd is great, kucinich is great, vilsack is great. And maybe the repub huckabee. i love america.

[babylonsister]

6. I've heard it suggested that Evan Bayh, who went to Iraq with her,

might be in the running for her potential VP spot. But it's early.

[zulchzulu]

13. Wow...what a horrible sounding ticket...

Clinton/Bayh...

Clinton bye... talk about a Right wing/Fauz Snooze wet dream ticket name...

This is not an affront on either candidate, just from a marketing standpoint (presidential politics IS marketing), it's a really bad brand name.

[babylonsister]

15. ROFL! I never thought of it that way, but you're right! nt

[beaconess]

17. Sounds better than "Bayh-Clinton" :-)

[don954]

7. look at it this way: There could be worse things than a Hillary / Obama

ticket winning, like a McCaine/ Jeb Bush ticket winning....
:evilfrown:

[illinoisprogressive]

8. Obama and Hillary are not friends. Hillary is looking at Bayh for vp

His ideas and thinking are very different from Hillary.
They just are not on the same wavelength.
Hillary is looking at Bayh to be her vp if she gets the nomination.
I, personally, would loose all respect for him if he teamed with hillary.
And I do not want him to be vp. I want him to be prez.

[shoopnyc]

12. NOT TRUE.

I know for a fact that she's known Obama for YEARS. She's from Illinois.

[durrrty libby]

9. The feeling is not " eerie" to me

I have no "fears" about it

I would be proud to vote for a Clinton/Obama ticket

If you are "paranoid"....get meds.


:party: :hippie: :nopity: :freak:

[tuvor]

10. You ask if this fear is "justified". Why don't you tell us?

Exactly what evidence are you basing your suspicion on?

[shoopnyc]

16. Obama ain't the only one, either...

this guy is ten years younger, but on his way...

http://www.smikleassociates.com/

[k_jerome]

18. that would be sweet. nt.

[OHdem10]

19. Since I fear War and Foreign Affairs(Iran, China, N Korea}

will be the Dominant Issues for 2008, think about it.
If you are Joe and Jane Sixpack and looking for someone
to support--what will you be looking for after these
questionable years???? Me thinks they will be looking
for a Competent Commander In Chief to steer through
situations and "keep us safe from Terror".

Just a thought.

[FrenchieCat]

20. So tell us! Who should we vote for instead?

It appears that this is coming from the same conspiracy talk I heard in reference to Wes Clark being under the control of Hillary! :tinfoilhat:

If she's got that kind of power...hell, I want her as President cause this would show that the woman is as much of a bad ass as I am! And that's pretty good! :headbang:

[AtomicKitten]

22. who knew?

[FrenchieCat]

27. When you see her in person, Just don't look in her eyes.....

Stare at her upper lip instead!

That's what Prez Clinton told me to do! ;)

[bigdarryl]

21. A Black man and woman running mates NO WAY it won't sell

not in red state America

[nebula]

24. A woman and a blcak man named Hussein

A nightmare ticket if I ever saw one.

[fuzzyball]

26. My thoughts exactly....eom

[fuzzyball]

25. Does not make sense for Hillary to pick Obama because

the first woman president AND first black VP
one heart beat away could prove to be a unsurmountable
hurdle. Hillary will go with a centrist, either Bayh
or Clark.

[Tactical Progressive]

28. Doesn't make sense to have both the first woman President

which is already an uphill battle in backwards America, also carry the additional cultural weight of the first minority President in America at the same time.

It's nonsense to even think that anyone with any political acumen, like the DLC and DNC and people with real political experience, would even consider it.

They're going to have enough on their hands running our first female President through the system.
And that is precisely what they are going to do.

Hillary is exactly what this country, and this party, needs right now, more than any other candidate.

And she's going to win, whether she has to do it without the mindless Hillary haters on the left or not.


Obama? He's not even VP material at this stage anyway, aside from the absurdity of trying to breach two cultural barriers at once.

When he is ready, in 8 or 12 or 16 years, with Senate and some other experience, he'll run directly for the top spot.

He's just getting his feet wet and his name up there for now, which is going to be enough of a challenge just at that. I see him as relatively glib at this stage, and he's taking a risk of exposing himself as the lightweight he is this early in his career. Hopefully he'll play it smoothly and get out at the right time; enough to get known and get people thinking about the possibility of a minority President in the near future. I think taking this risk is right because I think he can pull it off - that is, not coming across as a total empty suit, if not a serious candidate at this time. The media loves him which will help. We'll see how good he is. If he fumbles he'll hurt his chances later on when he is ready.

But he isn't running - seriously - for 2008, even though it seems likely he'll be running - formally. Understand that. He's the deb and this is his coming-out party. I'm giving him credit for having that awareness, even if his fans don't understand it. I'm hoping he presents himself well and, with some Democrat-controlled Senate experience, and maybe a Secretary position or a Governorship later on, along with this early exposure, he'll be worth voting for not too far in the future.

But now? No. And he won't be a VP to Hillary either. That's just bad politics.