*****Official House Debate on Iraq War Thread 7******

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[ray of light]

1. thanks. makes them easy to read.

[POAS]

2. Easy to find also!

[lapauvre]

68. "They will follow us home."

This has been said several times by the Repubs and I am sick of it.

Have you heard of the great Iranian Navy? How about the Al Quaeda fleet of nuclear submarines?
How about the Iraqi Insurgent tank battalions? Oh, wait, the Radical Armed Bridge Invasion Division, known as RABID, which is goint to DRIVE across the oceans to do a land invasion of the USA. My God, people, we are in imminent danger!

Just because it looks like by sending our exhausted and limited troops over there like so much takee outee for the IED's and the snipers to slaughter like ducks in a shooting gallery, just ignore that.

Just because it violates every bit of common military sense (from what I know of military sense) to extend your line of supply for thousands of miles to fight an entrenched enemy who knows the land, the people, where to find what they need, have hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens who will hide them, lie for them, thwart your efforts, don't pay any attention to common sense.

Just because any number of our own military experts, several generals once our primary military geniuses have told us that it is wrong and a waste to send any more troops, we can ignore them. The President has found one lunatic who could be coerced to say the President, the Commander in Question, is right. So, ignore the former many and now follow (this time it's surely the "real thing") our Commander in A Straight Jacket's impeccable military logic.

Are these Bush defenders on the same planet as I am? Have they read the same history I have. Have they any concept of what those serving in the military in Iraq really think? How can they, since those serving in the military in Iraq are forbidden to speak against the commands of the Commander in A Bubble?

To whom can one write when both of their State's Senators are Republic Party members and thier Congressional District is run by an inarticulate Republic Party member.

I'm writing to you guys. I hope they let me have crayons in the loony bin.

And how and why, Democratic Party Members, please, please, tell me: How in the world did you let yourselves get talked into this "non-binding" resolution. Bind it. Why on earth did you give the Republic Party the opportunity to turn into a bunch of flag waving, tear jerking, hysterics, weeping buckets of tears over the death of men and women they sent there to die for political reasons.

This debate is at this very moment the most emotional and rhetorically filled debate I have ever heard, and it is entirely MOOT. The additional troops have already been deployed. We're watching days of theatrics and bickering and the Commander in The Dark has already done the deed.

What an assinine way to run a country. And we think we can tell Iraq how to be a peaceful and sane democracy. It is to laugh. Hysterically.

jd

[Canuckistanian]

71. Good rant!

Your points are all common sense. But we've all learned NOT to expect it from the Congressional GOP.

And belated welcome to DU!
:toast:
:hi:

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

3. Recommended

Needs a few more, please

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

4. WHo is speaking now ?

Missed the intro and I can only get audio here at work

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

5. Rep. from Texas speaking now

This one thinks that Bush was elected by the people of the US

whoever introduced him said "we are not occupying Iraq"

[Greeby]

6. Ugh, that punk Patrick McHenry

I just went for the mute

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7. Can you give this thread a recommendation to get

it on the Greatest Page ?

[goclark]

8. What's happening now?

[DesertRat]

10. Rep. Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) is speaking

He started by saying that he wants to establish the groundrule that regardless of how you vote on the resolution, no one will question your patriotism.

[SaveElmer]

9. These Republican speakers have literally lost their minds...

They are frothing...absolutely pathetic how completely out of touch they are!!!

[Greeby]

15. What minds? nt

[DesertRat]

11. Republican from Michigan quoting Reagan

:puke:

[POAS]

12. I must be getting punchy

I could have sworn that this guy talked last night (Walberg R-MI)

[DesertRat]

13. All of the repugs sound alike to me. n/t

[SaveElmer]

14. They are still at their lame attempt to tie Iraq...

To the war on terror...trying to stay away from the issue at hand...

Very transparent!!!

[POAS]

16. They should play background music. Something like

the WWI song "Over There".

[bdamomma]

64. they do. all spewing bush's garbage.

[POAS]

17. It's 2:35 EST and still more

than 8 hours of debate left.

I'm gonna run outta popcorn!

:(

[roguevalley]

18. rawstory quotes a repig aide saying they won't be held to

voting against the resolution by their leadership or the white house.

[POAS]

19. Curious

Are they saying they could exercise power over their fellow republics to vote in lockstep with the leadership if they so choose? What about free will?

We all know they twist arms behind the scenes, but they would never admit it openly!

[JanusAscending]

20. Hi all!

I just came across this post, and it looks to be very informative, but I don't have time now to read all the threads. Just a quick question?? Is anyone keeping a "count" of the repukes who are going to vote with us on this? Yesterday I watched it a good part of the day, and it seemed like over 50% of the repukes I heard were going to go against their Emporer and tell him he has no clothes!!! Thanks for any info you have on the count so far. DC

[POAS]

21. There is plenty of speculation but I don't

think there is any definitive count. I guess we'll just need to wait for the vote!

[POAS]

22. Kagen (D) of Wisconsin

Cannot support the Presidents poor judgement!

We need a tough and SMART policy, It's time to get the smart part right!

You go Steve.

[Dinger]

53. Good! Here's A Pic Of Him At My House In October:

Along with a state senator, Iraq War Veteran who was running for state assembly, and local sheriff candidate- ALL DEMS!



And from a little celebration I had the night of the election:

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23. Devin Nunes R-Ca

Calls this intellectually dishonest.

Words with no meaning....Excuse ne but words have meaning or you guys wouldn't be so hot to fight this resolution.

Visual aids with a picture of Osama.

[SaveElmer]

24. There are some truly stupid Republicans in the House...

I mean truly stupid...not just dishonest...but so frickin stupid they cannot understand what they are talking about...

[A wise Man]

25. Where has this jackass been

ignore how we got in to this war, we're at war, the people new to know the truth. These fools wouldn't know the truth if it slap them on their fat ass. 1+1=2 not 11 dumbass.

[POAS]

27. They say we got into the war

because Clinton was weak.

It's always the fault of the Clenis!

[POAS]

26. Please define victory for us; Michael Arcuri (D-NY)

He hears them call for "victory" but never explain what thet means.

His cogent definition is bringing as many of our troops home alive as possible!

[A wise Man]

28. You can't declare victory

when you can't define the enemy nor an agenda.

[POAS]

29. Bingo

[rodeodance]

30. its a real mystery that is for sure.

[rodeodance]

31. 11 Repugs have cross over as has one Dem (to repug side) as of about

noon today

[POAS]

32. Thanks for the update

[rodeodance]

34. and thank you for the Thread. I was following it more closely yesterday

[Daylin Byak]

41. One Dem crossed over to the dark side

Who would that be? Ah, my guess it's probally some blue dog conservative Democrat who can't vote with his party more then 51% of the time or he will get voted out for being "too liberal".

[POAS]

58. I heard it was someone from GA but don't have a name!

[Daylin Byak]

62. My guess then it would

Have to be either John Barrow or Jim Marshall. Those two are fightning for there political lives down in Georgia

[VLC98]

67. It's Jim Marshall.

My daughter and husband voted for him in November. He only just won, so that explains his actions this week, but we're still upset with him.

[rodeodance]

33. Reid schedules Iraq vote Saturday, causing headaches for some '08ers

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/02/reid-schedules-iraq-vote-saturday.html

Thursday, February 15, 2007

Reid schedules Iraq vote Saturday, causing headaches for some '08ers

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Demanding an "up-or-down vote," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday the Senate will vote Saturday on the House resolution condemning the troop increase in Iraq.

"The resolution says we support the troops and oppose the escalation of the presence in Iraq," the Nevada Democrat said. "We're determined to give our troops and the American people the debate they deserve."

Reid's decision to stage a weekend vote causes headaches for at least four presidential candidates.

Sens. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, Chris Dodd, D-Connecticut, John McCain, R-Arizona, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois, are all scheduled to be on the campaign trail Saturday.

-- CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

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35. My heart bleeds for them...

[goodhue]

36. kick

[POAS]

37. OUCH

[POAS]

38. Mazie Hirono up now (D-Hi)

Isn't she one of our Buddhist Congress persons?

[SaveElmer]

39. Walz doin a nice job...nt

[Eurobabe]

40. Walz hits it out of the park

Duncan Hunter's response is a joke.

[POAS]

50. They must not have enough speakers to fill

their time. They keep bringing back the same Republics over and over!

[POAS]

42. Thomas Petri (R-WI)

"I plan to vote for this resolution"

Good on ya Tom!

[Vinca]

43. Did anyone hear Rep. Don Young (Alaska-Puke)

about an hour ago? He delivered that phony Lincoln statement with great gusto during the Iraq debate. I couldn't believe it.

http://www.factcheck.org/article415.html

[POAS]

47. Damn I missed that.

[Eurobabe]

44. Betty Sutton (D) OH-13 from my birthplace!

Go Betty!

[POAS]

46. Your from Barberton???

[Eurobabe]

49. Sorry no she reps Lorain

[POAS]

51. And Barberton, she was also on the

City Counsel here!

13th District snakes all the way down from Lake Erie to Barberton now!

[Eurobabe]

70. Holy cow! Now that's a District!

Sounds like Texas!

[POAS]

48. Talking about a boy who

came home from Iraq in a coffin and two urns!

How sad is that!

[POAS]

45. Finally my congress critter

Betty Sutton(D-OH)

[POAS]

52. Hoyer just added another hour to the time

for debate and House will convene again at 8 AM tomorrow with no morning business!

[goodhue]

54. Sander Levin talking now

[goodhue]

55. Is there a line up somewhere?

A list of who is scheduled?
Musgrave makes me want to turn it off, but I'm hoping Keith Ellison in on tap soon.

[goodhue]

56. Keith Ellison is on

[POAS]

57. You got your wish!!

He's doing a great job!

I don't think a schedule exists!

[goodhue]

59. He did pretty good

A little choppy at points but he made the point well -- peace is the way. I'm glad he mentioned the fine folks who stand outside every Wednesday evening rush hour on the Lake Street/Marshall Ave. Bridge over the Mississippi River between Minneapolis & St. Paul.

[POAS]

61. Good job yourself Goodhue!

[POAS]

60. Duncan Hunter again

railing on about Jack Murtha. I googled to find a news story about the press conference today. Here is a bit taken from Sacbee.com:

Bush has asked Congress to approve $100 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Congressional Democrats are hoping to insert provisions that would make it harder for the administration to follow through on its plan to deploy an additional 21,500 combat troops to Iraq.
Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who is leading the effort, has said the measure may be changed to require that any troops deployed must meet formal Army readiness standards.
Murtha also said the measure may be changed to prohibit any military action against Iran without specific congressional approval.

[bdamomma]

63. It's totally amazing and disheartening how they read these

letters from soldiers who are for the surge and those who are against, but that one letter tells of how the divorce and suicide rates are up. And then you wonder what the hell are they telling these troops out there, and what is the fuck is the "mission". Very sad, all this talking and a stupid lunatic squawking about living in the WH, don't mess with my beautiful mind propaganda. Unbelievable waste of life of many Americans for what a stupid man and his sick sick mind of ideology. I am sick of it, and I am sick of them not listening to the American people. that's my little rant.

[POAS]

66. Nice Rants Alyce!

I couldn't agree more.

[bdamomma]

65. Rep Mc Caul (repig) Texas

President Kennedy would have not started a pre-emptive war. How dare these guys keep on playing the same song over and over again, low morale of our soldiers and emboldening our enemies, what BS.

These guys better have a reality check.

[lapauvre]

69. "They will follow us home"

(Moderator, please note: I post this in the wrong place on this thread in error. I am reposting. If this is an error, I apologize and please know that could I delete the misplaced post I would have done so. This post is totally inappropriate for the space I inadvertantly placed it.)




This has been said several times by the Repubs and I am sick of it.

Have you heard of the great Iranian Navy? How about the Al Quaeda fleet of nuclear submarines?
How about the Iraqi Insurgent tank battalions? Oh, wait, the Radical Armed Bridge Invasion Division, known as RABID, which is goint to DRIVE across the oceans to do a land invasion of the USA. My God, people, we are in imminent danger!

Just because it looks like by sending our exhausted and limited troops over there like so much takee outee for the IED's and the snipers to slaughter like ducks in a shooting gallery, just ignore that.

Just because it violates every bit of common military sense (from what I know of military sense) to extend your line of supply for thousands of miles to fight an entrenched enemy who knows the land, the people, where to find what they need, have hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens who will hide them, lie for them, thwart your efforts, don't pay any attention to common sense.

Just because any number of our own military experts, several generals once our primary military geniuses have told us that it is wrong and a waste to send any more troops, we can ignore them. The President has found one lunatic who could be coerced to say the President, the Commander in Question, is right. So, ignore the former many and now follow (this time it's surely the "real thing") our Commander in A Straight Jacket's impeccable military logic.

Are these Bush defenders on the same planet as I am? Have they read the same history I have. Have they any concept of what those serving in the military in Iraq really think? How can they, since those serving in the military in Iraq are forbidden to speak against the commands of the Commander in A Bubble?

To whom can one write when both of their State's Senators are Republic Party members and thier Congressional District is run by an inarticulate Republic Party member.

I'm writing to you guys. I hope they let me have crayons in the loony bin.

And how and why, Democratic Party Members, please, please, tell me: How in the world did you let yourselves get talked into this "non-binding" resolution. Bind it. Why on earth did you give the Republic Party the opportunity to turn into a bunch of flag waving, tear jerking, hysterics, weeping buckets of tears over the death of men and women they sent there to die for political reasons.

This debate is at this very moment the most emotional and rhetorically filled debate I have ever heard, and it is entirely MOOT. The additional troops have already been deployed. We're watching days of theatrics and bickering and the Commander in The Dark has already done the deed.

What an assinine way to run a country. And we think we can tell Iraq how to be a peaceful and sane democracy. It is to laugh. Hysterically.

jd

[hippiechick]

72. Listenin to Gary Miller ...

My EARS ARE STARTING TO BLEED from all his insipid BULLSHIT !!!


:spank: :hurts: :spank: :hurts:

[zulchzulu]

73. Hensarling (R-TX) reads RNC fax talking points pretty well

Linking the Iraq war to 911 and even Osama bin Laden (wow!) and the "fundamental fight against radical Islamic soldiers" is where he does his schtick.

Does this twerp understand that the Shiites (who Bush seems to back at this point) are Islamic radicals to the Sunni...???