OhmiGod, Gore may be a hypocrite about Global Warming

[Fresh_Start]

Of Course, the GOP are hypocritical about pretty much every single thing they profess as beliefs....
starting with small government
fiscal responsibility
accountability
family values
....

Do I need to go on?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No, actually; he isn't.

[Atman]

2. Do you need to go on? You didn't even need to go this far

It's a bullshit story not deserving of yet another DU thread.

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[Horse with no Name]

5. Umm can you pass the popcorn

I'm getting concerned here so I will sit and ponder for awhile and munch on my :popcorn:

[Quantess]

11. Pass that popcorn.

Let's watch the concerned show.:popcorn:

[Straight Shooter]

17. LOL!

Great title for a show, quantessd. :D

[Dinger]

18. No Shit. Got Any Popcorn Left Over For Me?

Think I'll just kick back and watch, now thatI've spouted off a bit.:popcorn:

[Mika]

3. support the troops

no child left behind
clear skies
VAST majority of the tax cuts for the middle class

.. etc etc etc..

[SharonAnn]

4. It's a typical Karl Rove attack. Attack the opponent's strengths. AKA "Swiftboating".

[Dinger]

6. Please Never Mix The Name Of President Gore with The Slime Of The repukes

It'll be a cold day in hell before Gore will ever be a hypocrite! Pardon me, but you have some nerve putting shit like that in a title thread here:mad:

[Dinger]

7. Why Did You Put Anti-Gore Shit In Your Thread Title, But Hide The repuke BS In Your Post?

Just fucking asking dammit.

[Uncle Joe]

8. You used Al Gore may be a hypocrite about Global Warming, either justify it or deny it.

That would be the best way to go on.

[sce56]

9. Watch the rebrodcast of Keith Olbermann tonight he Debunks this story

An Incoherent Truth: Al Gore has been getting a lot of good press lately, so the right wing attack dogs are out in force to "balance" the coverage with some political hit-jobs and unfounded charges of hypocrisy. The facts, as usual, are not on their side.

[Fresh_Start]

10. lighten up people

I was reacting to an AP story with that headline.

Gore camp says they started buying green power in November 2006. So there's some truth to the hypocrite part because Gore's been preaching about Global Climate change for a lot longer than the last 3 months.

BUT, where the hell does the "party of hypocrites" get off calling anyone else a hypocrite.

[NYCGirl]

12. You come here and post a lot of right wing smears and then tell us to "lighten up"?

Bullshit.

[Fresh_Start]

13. please show me where I post a lot of right wing smears

exaggerate much?

[NYCGirl]

14. The HYPOCRITE part. Remember that? NT

[Fresh_Start]

15. reread the post ,,,

I said "MAY" and then I slammed the GOP.

Even if my intent was to "out the Gore hypocrite" which is wasn't, one is not a lot.

I repeat, exaggerate much?

[Labors of Hercules]

25. ah... a nice bit of dry sarcasm wasted on those who fail to appreciate it...

[Fresh_Start]

26. I shouldn't have tried to write sarcasm

I think it takes a professional to succeed, and I'm not a professional writer.

[Labors of Hercules]

31. yes, you are probably right...

since noone on the DU ever fails to recognize even the most obscure variations of sardonic witticism...
why, I'm thoroughly surprised :sarcasm: hasn't been removed from the list for simple lack of use. :rofl:

[Fresh_Start]

33. how do you add the cute thingies to your post?

I've never done one.

[Forkboy]

40. Click on the "Smilies lookup table" when you make a post.

Personally I never use the sarcasm button.Once you tell people it's sarcasm it's no longer sarcasm.And I like seeing the kneejerk responses one can get by the humor-challenged :)

[Labors of Hercules]

46. quite illuminating, these reactions can be....

oh dear, gripped me today, yodaspeak has...

[Straight Shooter]

19. NYCALIZ

We lived through the horrid Swiftboat Liars smearing John Kerry. You can understand that any reference to Gore whatsoever, even a passing one, that even HINTS that the poster suggests he is a hypocrite, well, it tends to get us Gore supporters a bit leery of the poster and the hidden agenda of the message.

Just sayin'

[Fresh_Start]

20. well I'm not a swiftboatie

and the post if you read the whole thing slams the right for labelling Gore a hypocrite

If you're ready to jump all over a kindred soul, you'll have no chance of persuading another few percent of the country that isn't already a believer. Even if it would try the patience of Jesus himself, we all need to be civil to each other and even the 'honest critics' on the other side.

Gandhi:"it has been my experience that I am always true from my point of view and often wrong from the point of view of my honest critics. I know that we are both right from our respective points of view, and this knowledge saves me from attributing motives to my opponents or critics. The seven blind men who gave seven different descriptions of the elephant were all right from their respective points of view. I very much like this doctrine of the manysideness of reality. It is this doctrine that has taught me to judge a Muslim from his own standpoint and a Christian from his. Formerly 1 used to resent the ignorance of my opponents. Today 1 can love them because I am gifted with the eye to see myself as others see me. . . .

[Straight Shooter]

22. Sorry for trying to help you.

I didn't "jump all over you." I was explaining that you're hitting raw nerves, and why you're hitting them.

Not referring to you with this remark, but I'm not interested in persuading those who are jumping on the "Gore is a hypocrite" bandwagon. They can all shut up. I'm tired of trying to educate those who aren't interested in the truth.

We are all too painfully aware of the hypocrisy of the right.

[Fresh_Start]

23. I apologize. I know you were trying to be helpful

I didn't mean you. There were clearly others who were jumping all over.

Its not inappropriate to discuss whether Gore is really faithful to his philosophy.
We should all be questioning him about it. As indeed we should be questioning our other leaders on the ideas which they propose.

There's more that one component to energy conservation.

Buying 'green energy' is one good step. But reducing what we use overall is another critical step.
Do we really need more "stuff". Stuff costs energy to produce and much of stuff is disposal.

The carbon offset process has little in the way of credible controls. Until it has better audit and controls, it may well be another shell game. I don't know which offsets Gore buys. I don't know if he requires audited/certified offsets.

Its not wrong to ask.

[Straight Shooter]

27. It isn't wrong to ask.

But if you're going to assert something, please provide a link to back it up, such as "the carbon offset process has little in the way of credible controls."

You will find your answers, and people more than willing to discuss them with you, http://www.climatecrisis.org I'm going from memory on the web site, but of course it will be easy to find the site which promotes the ideas behind An Inconvenient Truth.

You can bet that Gore is faithful to his philosophy. And remember that no one is 100 percent pure. We can only attempt to live up to our ideals.

I've got to go now. Please check out the web site.

[Fresh_Start]

36. thank you, I've already looked at carbon offsets

and there are different qualities of offsets and some are indeed thinly veiled scams.

Here's a simple example of an offset problem, if they are not regularly audited, they could sell the same offset to multiple buyers. Sort of like the stories of selling swampland in Florida in the 50's. More than one person wound up only to find there was no homesite awaiting them. Until it becomes a well regulated industry, there's no way of knowing whether the offsets are in fact effective offsets.

Here's another example, someone sells a hydrocarbon offset. They say they were going to build a factory which would have produced ## tons of hydrocarbon but because you bought the offset, they'll build the factory to produce only ##-NN tons of hydrocarbons. First question is, was there in fact any credible project to build the ## tons factory or are they selling snake oil? Second question is when will the factory be built, for example if its built in 10 years did you really have an offset for the 10 years before it was built?

Anyway, this is some of the types issues of offsets. Many types of offsets have critical weaknesses.

None of the weaknesses can be resolved without well regulated, audited, certified processes.

[robinlynne]

32. Bullshit. Because the story about his house is simply bullshit. obviously.

we don't need to ask. it is obvious.

[niyad]

30. maybe you should find out when the house was built, and when green power became available through

that utility company. mine still does not offer that option.

[Fresh_Start]

37. better than 95% of housing stock in the US

was built before "green energy" became available. The question isn't when the house was built. The question is which modifications have been installed to reduce its energy footprint.

My house is 45 years old built well before 'green energy' became available.

I replaced my roof with a more energy efficient roof, replaced windows, added insulated window coverings, added insulation to my attic, bought energy efficient appliances (refrigerator, washer, dryer, cooktop, dishwasher). We use compact fluorescents in every fixture which takes them (they don't have them to fit the chandelier).

BUT, I haven't added a solar panels to my house to generate my own electricity (my research is telling me that at this point the solar panels available are a mixed bag because of pollution concerns.)

And, I haven't yet replaced my water heater and heating unit because we're still looking at remodeling which will affect their placement.

So rather than assume that older houses can't be made more efficient, think about opportunities when their efficiency can be improved.

[zulchzulu]

16. Exxon says so...through its legions of foot soldiers for profit over human survival

All the Do Nothing naysayers and their greenwashed committees are lead down the path of being well funded by Exxon and other petrochemical powers.

[Canuckistanian]

21. Not R'ed and only accidentally kicked

You don't start a post saying Gore is a hypocrite.... and stop and change your focus.

Do you believe Gore is a hypocrite or not?

[Fresh_Start]

24. I'm the same as everyone else here

which means I don't know 'as a fact' whether he is or is not.

[CATagious]

28. 100% of profits

from his movie and books goes towards the fight against GW. So, I say the answer is clearly NOT. But thanks for your part in perpetuating the RW myth.

[AlGore-08.com]

29. I hate to kick this, but there are a number of debunks besides Olberman's report

Gore lives a carbon neutral life. He flies commercial, his homes use green power, he uses solar power, he and Tipper drive a hybrid, and when he has to be driven to events, he insists on being driven by a hybrid. He buys carbon offsets for his family's carbon usage. He has founded two businesses, Current TV and Generation Investment (which invests in sustainable projects); both are carbon neutral. Gore's book, "An Inconvenient Truth" and the film of the same name were certified carbon neutral. He and Tipper have donated every penny they would have made off either project to global warming education. And now Gore's promoting a "Live-Aid" type 24 hour long mega-concert held on 7 continents and broadcast live around the world to promote global warming awareness this July: and the entire event will be carbon neutral.

Here's a debunking of this particular smear from the HuffPost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson-and-james-boyce/a-far-too-convenient-mea_b_42171.html

Here's ThinkProgress:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

According to Olbermann (no transcript up yet) - - the Gores buy green power, so their cost per kilowatt hour is higher than non-green power. The power company reports that the Gores' power usage is about average for the area they live in.

[Jax]

45. Don't include me in that "same as everyone else here" crap

Al Gore is not a hypocrite. Don't presume to speak for me.

[snowbear]

34. NYCaliz?

"NYCaliz" says...

"I'm the same as everyone else here"

"NYCaliz" says...

"Do I need to go on?"

NO!!!! You do not need to go on!!

[Fresh_Start]

35. You're probably right

because unlike many people here, I'm not a true believer. I question all authority whether its right, left, middle, or elsewhere.

The true believers on DU apparently aren't much different than the true believers on the right. Neither side can apparently handle anyone questioning their beliefs without them overreacting.

For the record I didn't question the beliefs, I merely wrote sarcasm clumsily.

[Forkboy]

41. "Sacred cows make the best hamburgers."

-Abbie Hoffman

[AtomicKitten]

38. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

[snowbear]

39. Sounded more like to me somehad been inhaling in RW talking points..

Sounds like someones been watching too much of the braindead FAUX television shows .. Maybe pulling up some batshit crazy wingnut sites ... and maybe even listening to rightie ralk shows...

Sad case.

[Larry Allen]

42. I did a google blog search on "global warming"

What I found was page after page after page of global warming "debunking" Is this just google or are we really losing the blog wars on this issue?

[divineorder]

43. Oil Company Bux

And the right wing noise machine that hates anybody and anything intelligent. They are a twin. The oil company fears alternative energy because of potential falling profits-but also because of the fact that it could break their hold on political power. Think about what would happen if the world-and America-went green. The Middle East would finally get real freedom as the petroleum money could no longer be used to prop up dictatorships and certain Israelis. America would stop thinking apocalyptics because we would stop caring so much. So no Rapture, no mega-church leaders herding millions into big arena-sized churches because of the fear, because the Middle East would become less and less important.

Fewer racial and social gaps between rich and poor. A lot of places don't really have energy because of the costs of production and distribution. But the wind blows everywhere, and there is lots of water and wave and ethanol. Perhaps the Third World could afford computers, and TV sets, and maybe would ask for a more equitable distribution of resources with the added information and ability to communicate.

[CreekDog]

44. We've been shooting down anti-Gore posts for a few days

Even though yours was not malicious, you should recognize that folks are wary of seeing right wing smears posted to DU about Gore. I counted a few threads that were generated with the anti-Gore stuff.

Titling your thread makes it seem like just another one.

You sort of should have expected to raise DU'ers ire with the title of your post.