Fuck you Liberman. Fuck you, Powell. Fuck all you enablers.

[Stinky The Clown]

Joe Lieberman, you are a shit stain on the shortz of Democratic Party history. You're far, far worse than Zell Miller. His address to the Republic Party convention and subsequent challenging of people to duels made it clear he was a sick old man with little relevance. You, on the other hand, Joe, are playing both ends against the middle for your own personal gain. I can even live with that. But now you're espousing open war with Iran. What the fuck is WRONG with you?

Colin, you, on the other hand, are out there saying all the right things. Too bad you sold us out when your words would have REALLY mattered. As far as I'm concerned, you're a shit stain, too. On the shortz of the State Department and on the shortz of the US Army. I remember you, Colin, covering up My Lai. You've never been trustworthy. Never. And to think you almost ran for president ..... and if you did, you'd likely have won. Alma saved the country. You, on the other hand, have as your biggest accomplishments, the diminution of our country and our national welfare.

Fuck You, Joe.

Fuck You, Colin.

I hope to see you both in Hell.

[pwb]

1. Joe represents his religion more than the american people.

[Zandor]

6. How so? n/t

[LeftishBrit]

28. Because too many people have bought into the right-wing myth...

that people of religious and ethnic minorities are not to be relied on as full citizens of their country and have to PROVE their loyalty.

Christians can help to lead their country into disaster, and they may be condemned for it, but their citizenship isn't doubted. But let a Jew or Moslem or other minority do the same thing, and too often, it's presented as because because they placed their religion/ethnic origins above their country.

[Totally Committed]

10. You mean AIPAC, right?

AIPAC is the lobby for the Likud Party in the U.S., not all the Jewish people. Joe is their poster-boy, and spokesperson in our gov't.

If you look at it another way... maybe AIPAC is his religion.

TC

[deadmessengers]

13. Nice anti-semitism

Joe Lieberman does not represent the Jewish people as a whole, and it's ridiculous to suggest that he does. There are the vocal neocon Likud crowd, but as a whole, the majority of Jews in the US are quite progressive.

[ejbr]

14. I was confused by that too..

I was scratching my head thinking, "Jews want to promote war and preemptive strikes? I thought they only promoted lox with cream cheese."

[firefox_fan]

16. Being ignorant about the topic...

Could you suggest an article or a book in support of either position? Thanks!

[pwb]

21. no its not

it is conversation about cause and effect.

[KaptBunnyPants]

24. Nearly 2 in 3 US Jews oppose the Iraq war, 60% oppose US strike on Iran

But nearly half would support an Israeli strike on Iran, probably along the lines of the strike against Iraq in the eighties. It's an old poll, but public opinion has been hardening against hawkish policies, so I doubt those numbers would be going up.
http://www.forward.com/articles/poll-us-jews-back-strike-against-iran-by-isra/

[LeftishBrit]

27. Yes

And Jewish politicians were over-represented among those who voted against the Iraq war. And 2 of 4 liberal Supreme Court Justices are Jewish, while all 5 of the conservative ones are Christian. But ONE right-wing Jewish politician somehow represents the entire religion/ ethnic group.

And anyway, he was elected by the Connecticut voters, not the American Jews.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

2. You took the words right out...

...of my mouth.

Powell stood up in front of the world in 2003 and told us all that Iraq had WMD's - He knew he was lying then and yet he helped the meat puppets crank out the military machine and led us right into the invasion of Iraq.

As for LIE-berman - He has been the thorn in the saddle blanket of the Democrats for years. He is an embarrassment... He is also clearly INSANE. When someone shoots off their weasely mouth and bangs the drums of war in their myopic madness - I just want them to shut the fuck up and get off MY TEAM.

[babylonsister]

3. YOU will never see them in hell; they, on the other hand, might

run into each other there.

[Apollo11]

4. Why do you care?

It's been a very long time since I cared about what either of those guys say.

[partylessinOhio]

5. Bravo! for telling it like it is! These two and many others are traitors

against the USA! They will lie, cheat and perhaps steal just to further themselves.

The present WAR is insane and a further WAR with Iran is beyond insane.

Move Israel to the North or South Pole and the world could finally have peace. Which country is Lieberman representing? He should move there.

Powell is/was military and I don't trust anyone who has spent their lives in the military.

[Donna Zen]

7. Bigger than your job

Recently when being interview by Amy Goodwin, Wes Clark used the expression "bigger than your job." When asked to explain he answered that there are times when we are tested morally and ethically by our jobs, and he said that this is expecially true in Washington. Clark said that one must be bigger---have a greater committment to their ethical core---than their jobs. When pressured to do the wrong thing are you prepared to resign?

Colin Powell has never been bigger than his job.

From the crap that he was spewing yesterday, he's much smaller than his reputation.

I noticed the mention of My Lai. Good. Don't forget that Colin was around for Iran-Contra too.

One other note: according to Bamford, the origins of PNAC extend back to a time after Gulf War I. In 1992 Cheney and the neocons sat down to write a new vision of foreign policy...Colin was at the table.

Lieberman....OMG! Why do the Democrats protect him and throw perfectly wonderful people under the bus?

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[Skip Intro]

9. Is if fair to wonder who Joe is really working for? nt

[Totally Committed]

11. AIPAC.

AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC -- and the Republican Party.

It surely isn't the good people of CT!

TC

[Chipper Chat]

25. Does this answer your question?

http://www.brendanloy.com/archives/016681.html

[LeftishBrit]

30. Obviously, the same devil that Powell and Blair are working for; i.e. Bush

Who is in turn working for the devil Cheney.

[Skip Intro]

31. Who in turn works for ?

I mean, cheney is a sickening bastard who views the common class as a food source, but is he the actual top? I think it goes deeper/higher...

[LeftishBrit]

33. Who is 'higher' than Bush/ Cheney?

Do you mean Halliburton/ the oil industry/ Rupert Murdoch/ a literal Satan, or what? Personally, I think Cheney's pretty close to being a literal Satan!

[Nimrod2005]

Amen..........nt

[Nimrod2005]

12. Amen..........nt

[wryter2000]

15. You can say that again

Every time I hear that whiny voice of Lieberman's, I start screaming. We have to get a bigger majority in the Senate so his power to intimidate us by threatening to become an R disappears. I want him utterly and totally irrelevant. Puny, nasty, little man. Feh.

Larry Wilkerson, at least, seems distressed at what he and his boss allowed to happen. I only hope Powell is suffering inside, too. I doubt it, but one can hope.

[fooj]

23. He IS utterly and totally irrelevant.

http://politicalinsider.com/2007/02/lieber...



Lieberman Switch Wouldn't Flip Senate


With Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) publicly stating he'd consider becoming a Republican if Democrats block new funding for the Iraq War, many Democrats worry that control of the Senate hangs in the balance. However, their fears are unfounded. Many think back to 2001 when former Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-VT) began caucusing with Democrats instead of Republicans, taking control of the Senate out of GOP hands. However, the two situations - though outwardly similar - contain one important difference.

If Lieberman were to caucus with the Republicans, they would still not take full control of the Senate, despite Vice President Dick Cheney's ability to break 50-50 ties. This is because of a little-known Senate organizing resolution, passed in January, which gives Democrats control of the Senate and committee chairmanships until the beginning of the 111th Congress.

What's the difference between now and 2001? A small but important distinction. When the 107th Congress was convened on January 3, 2001, Al Gore was still the Vice President and would be for another two-and-a-half weeks. Therefore, because of the Senate's 50-50 tie, Democrats had nominal control of the chamber when the organizing resolution came to a vote. With Dick Cheney soon to come in, however, Democrats allowed Republicans to control the Senate in return for a provision on the organizing resolution that allowed for a reorganization of the chamber if any member should switch parties, which Jeffords did five months later. There was no such clause in the current Senate's organizing resolution.
<snip>


I sent a letter to Reid as to why they keep giving us the impression that Joe matters. Needless to say, I haven't gotten a response. IMO, they've been playing us for fools.

[jenmarie]

17. Neocon's aren't done

We need to sound the alarm loud and often before bombs start falling on Iran!

Call To Action! from Susan in Cleveland at CCN

On behalf of our soldiers and everything we hold dear:

Call or email your senators and congresspeople TODAY and tell them to STOP THIS THING! DO NOT allow the Maniac-in-Chief to attack Iran!

You can cite any of these latest news items:

Lieberman's saber rattling on Face the Nation

The warning by the Iranian dep. interior minister in charge of security

Our current joint military exercises with the Israelis

The alarm bells are ringing again.

TOLL FREE NUMBERS FOR CONGRESS (ask the operator for the office of the person you wish to reach)

800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803

or check the Congressional Directory here.

Thank you for your attention to this most urgent matter!

And if you haven't yet, please sign the Stop Iran War petition. Initial petition is to bush, but there are links to write your Congresscritters who need to hear from us.

[Grandrose]

18. A Righteous Rant!

Thank you very much, but leave them in hell with the rest of the Bush/Cheney cabal and not you!
:applause: :kick:

[formercia]

19. Being a 'Team Player' is how many make their careers in DC

Finding the right 'Sugar Daddy' helps as well.

The only consolation I have is knowing that someday they will be fuel for some new star in the Universe.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Lieberman--beneath mention anymore, as far as I'm concerned.

Powell--I believe he still has some honor and conscience left somewhere inside him, and it's trying to come out. However, if he was a truly courageous and patriotic man, he would repudiate this criminal cabal, tell everything he knows, and offer to aid an impeachment investigation, even if it indemnifies him.

[bvar22]

22. Powell KNEW the UN presentation was nothing but LIES!!!

A couple of good quotes from "The memory Hole"!

" He (Saddam) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." Colin Powell, 24 February 2001


"He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." Colin Powell, 24 February 2001


"The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. " Colin Powell, 15 May 2001

[AtomicKitten]

26. The refer to Lieberman as "(D)" on Fox Noise instead of "(I)"

He was voted off the island. He needs to go away.

[LeftishBrit]

29. Agree - and fuck Blair while you're at it.

[opihimoimoi]

32. K&R

Fuck um all them assholes who killed/wounded our troops and over spent our National Treasury...all for Self interest and greed.

The GOP has FUCKED AMERICA...don't let them tell ya different....