Official Audiance Poll says John Edwards won the Debate

[jsamuel]

http://www.covenantwithblackamerica.com/

Poll Results          Before After

Senator Barack Obama          64.0% 46.1% = -17.9%
Senator John Edwards          11.2% 24.3% = +13.1%
Congressman Dennis Kucinich          2.5% 13.3% = +10.8%
Senator Hillary Clinton          18.6% 12.3% = -6.3%
Senator Mike Gravel          0.4% 1.9%
Senator Joe Biden          0.9% 1.1%
Governor Bill Richardson          0.8% 0.9%
Senator Christopher Dodd          1.5% 0%

Kucinich also did quite well. Obama lost a lot of support as did Clinton.

Diaries on this here and here:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/29/164021/437
http://mydd.com/story/2007/6/29/13528/1429

[redqueen]

1. hey how come kucinich's great numbers aren't in bold?

x(

[blm]

3. Looks like they were bolding the top three. But DK sure scored last night

in what I thought was the best appearance I have seen from him in any of the debates.

[jsamuel]

5. agreed

[durtee librul]

35. Dennis did REALLY well last night and I again must say

that it's too bad this country is so narcisstic (sp) it hinges on people's appearance and not on their words. Dennis has some really good ideas and they are well worth listening to.

I sincerely hope that he gets a cabinet appointment as I think he has a lot of talent, but sadly this country won't elect a short white guy even if he has a beautiful wife.

[MGKrebs]

43. That's not really what it's about.

Nixon was short and not so good looking. LBJ was really goofy looking.

These campaigns, in my opinion, are about more than just policy positions or even appearances. The process tells us who can recruit and organize an effective team, who can control their image effectively, and who can get people to trust them enough with their money. DK may be great on policy, but he is not succeeding in the other qualifications for the job.

[jsamuel]

6. If you notice he actually beat Clinton last night at the end.

[jsamuel]

7. There, I put his in bold :)

:P

[redqueen]

9. thank you !

i'm being petty, i know

:P

thank you again! :yourock:

[goodgd_yall]

28. the Daily Kos blog didn't even mention Kucinich

except for showing his numbers---A real biased oversight.

[goodgd_yall]

31. Oops I take it back

Kucinich's numbers weren't even shown. On rereading the article, it's obvious the writer prefers Obama, and was making a case for him even though his popularity appeared to take a dive after the Howard University forum.

[waiting for hope]

2. I thought he did the best

too - but hey, I will admit my bias! :evilgrin:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

4. Good news nt

:bounce:

[saracat]

8. I was surprised at the Edwards support!

. I was surprised at the amount of support Edwards seemed to be getting!
He even had more chants of his name in the beginning than Obama.I watched the audience reaction carefully for each and it was interesting to see the skepticism that some candidates received.Obama wasn't nearly as well received as I expected.But I think all the candidates except Gravel did okay.Gravel attacked his opponents entirely too much and seemed loony.Richardson was a little weak but overall good show!

[maximusveritas]

10. It's an online poll. In other words, meaningless

Hillary won the debate, with Obama a close second.

[venable]

24. a poll is meaningless, but your opinion is not?

I'm sorry but you should know how arrogant your post sounds.

Edwards won the debate. So sayeth very many people, even if you don't want to think so.

[maximusveritas]

30. Yes, my opinion is just as meaningless as this poll

Never tried to suggest otherwise.

[durtee librul]

37. She sounded like a harpy - her voice was so shrill on some

of her answers it was embarrassing. She has the potential to sound presidential, but last night she was off her game.......imho of course.

[Greyskye]

11. Looks like Dodd lost his supporter as well.

From 1.5% to 0%. Ouch.

[rucky]

52. Point-one of him switched to Richardson. n/t

[rinsd]

12. What kind of poll was this?

There's no information about it.

[maximusveritas]

13. It was just an online poll

That's why there's no info. I voted in it myself.

[saracat]

17. This was the official "audience poll" of those who attended.

I believe this had something to do with the Frak Lutz focus group.

[rinsd]

18. Accept that it doesn't say official or audience anywhere on that link

Its just a poll with no information.

[saracat]

20. True but the site is the one that sponsored the Debate and there was

a news release that the audience would be polled and that they would be posting it.

[rinsd]

21. Oh so its a Frank Lutz poll. Should be good for lining the birdcage.

Apparently it was an online poll though

See this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3347353&mesg_id=3347517

[venable]

25. wow, just cuz your candidate got slammed, the poll stinks?

get a grip.

your candidate came off loud and pandering. that's how many people saw it, which is why those who were there dropped her, in spite of her husband's bona fides.

bad news for you: Edwards won the debate.

[rinsd]

27. Frank Lutz is a piece of GOP garbage.

But feel free to listen to him when he tells you what you want to hear.

"bad news for you: Edwards won the debate."

Only in the mind of his supporters.

On edit: Oh and it was an online poll that the Edwards site encouranged people to vote on.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/6/27/19926/7919

Vote early, vote often....

There's your big win!

:rofl:

[venable]

32. in the minds of many

and if you watched the debate with open ears, i bet you'd think so, too.

if you're a progressive concerned with policy and strong positions. if not, not.

[MGKrebs]

44. I am also concerned with messaging, organization, focus,

consistency, and trust.

[Cameron27]

34. Vote early, vote often

it really does say that :eyes:

brilliant lol.

[ChiciB1]

38. Small Correction For You... The Name Is LUNTZ!

I'm not one of his fannies, but he does do his work very methodically. I've watched him many many times on C-Span as a guest and other programs he contributes to on C-Span.

Not my cup of tea per se, but from what I've seen lately... he calls them as he sees them and I'm not trying to bump his ego either! He IS a Repuke, that much I know.

[MGKrebs]

46. If Luntz's lips are moving, you can be sure he is trying to hypnotize you.

That guy's career is built on manipulating people. He may not have invented it, but he has raised the bar to a whole new level. Every word he uses has been carefully tested and screened to have the desired effect, which is to make Republicans look good, and it isn't based on logic or reason or even commn sense.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/interviews/luntz.html

[maximusveritas]

23. I don't think it is

Where did you get that from?
This is from the online poll at that site which I voted in. I'm almost sure of it.
Luntz is going to talk about his focus group results tonight on the show.

[maximusveritas]

26. In fact

Here's a link to a John Edwards blog post telling people to vote in this online poll:
http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/6/27/19926/7919

I almost doubted myself for a second because you sounded so sure of yourself.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

14. Of course not. The CMSM designates HRC the winner of every debate

With 90% of the remaining coverage going to Obama. ;)

[Ethelk2044]

15. Numbers show Obama won. His numbers are still

highest

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. Losing almost 1/3 of your support in 90 minutes is winning?

;)

[TeamJordan23]

41. Last time I checked, 46% was higher than 24%. I am no math genuis however. nt

[waiting for hope]

47. Oh - well here's something

about last night's debate and it doesn't mention Obama:

Winners, Losers, and Other Debate Observations

Winners

Former Senator John Edwards, yet again, has demonstrated he grasps the issues as well or better than anyone in the race. He was particularly impressive in responding to a question on HIV/AIDS. He called for increased federal funding for a cure for HIV/AIDS and provide Medicare coverage for testing and treatment. He would appoint a redevelopment czar for New Orleans. It's too bad the punditocracy is trying to make this a two-person race.

Every day that Hilary walks off the stage without a major flub is a good thing. She didn't hurt herself and she helped herself when she noted that if HIV/AIDS were hitting white women aged 18-25 the way it is hitting Black America, then there would be hell to pay. That was an inconvenient truth that too many people want to overlook.

Joe Biden showed his willingness to be candid on issues. His comment on the need for community leadership to confront the men in the community about the need to wear condoms and the need for women to know that they can say no in response to a question on HIV/AIDS drew gasps in the room. Some will, no doubt, see his comment as condescending and I can see why (there's nothing like a White Senator telling Black folk what to do), but he's right and people need to be real about this issue. Too many Black men are being sexually irresponsible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-fauntroy-phd/winners-losers-and-othe_b_54339.html

[benny05]

16. Well, encouraging

Not certain I understand the polling, but improvement is the point here.

[goodgd_yall]

22. That was how I saw it: Edwards and Kucinich

They were the ones who had the most enthusiastic responses from the audience.

[slipslidingaway]

29. Kucinich won percentage wise...432%, Edwards 116%.

Check my math.

Edited to reflect the correct numbers.

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

33. NPR reported that Obama was the "clear favorite"

I looked at the site and saw absolutely no polling data to check. None.

[MalloyLiberal]

39. NPR has been attacking Edwards repeatedly

[zulchzulu]

40. Attacking?

Do you have any insight on what?

:shrug

[MalloyLiberal]

48. Yes attacking...about his haircut.

How he is rich so he cant provide a voice for the poor. Assholes.

[ChiciB1]

36. AAAHHH... Now That's What I LIKE!!

Given time, I really do think that Edwards will SHINE through! Go, Johnny, Go!

[CarolNYC]

42. So how does an online poll in which Edwards supporters....

were exhorted on the Edwards blog to vote early and often in become an official audience poll? :shrug:

I need that one explained to me.

[0007]

45. It was a good debate, one of the best so far.....nt

[waiting for hope]

49. Aren't you glad no one had

to raise their hand? Geez, at least they let the candidates use the restroom before the debate.... ;)

[maximusveritas]

50. Here are the real "official" audience poll numbers

Hillary won convincingly with 27/33 voters in Luntz's focus group.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06292007/news/nationalnews/voter_panel__clinton_hit_a_home_run_nationalnews_ian_bishop_in_d_c__and_maggie_haberman_in_n_y_.htm

[NYCGirl]

53. Can you find a source that isn't the right wing Murdoch NY Post? Thanks. NT

[maximusveritas]

54. They're the only ones who have it right now

If you want you can try to catch Luntz on Tavis Smiley tonight if its not too late. It'll probably be in more papers tomorrow.

[PurityOfEssence]

55. Well, isn't that a huge sampling? 33 people Frank Luntz picked decide reality.

What's the margin of error on such a sampling like that? 90% maybe?

[maximusveritas]

56. Yeah, it's just a focus group (and a Luntz one at that)

but it's better than an online poll, which is what the OP was giving us.

[rucky]

51. John Edwards tells stories.

He connects with people well that way.