911 was an airline security issue, not a terrorist issue.

[penguin7]

As soon as we define 911 as an airline security issue instead of a terror issue, terror no longer becomes an important issue in the USA. This is because there has not been all that much terror in the USA, Tim Mcveigh and the sniper notwithstanding.

And the airlines were waiting for a security problem before 911. They knew their security was not all that good. The airlines were not waiting for a terror problem.

Why don't we have more high speed trains to deal with the airline security problem?

Terror is like last on my list of worries.

[liberal N proud]

1. Airport security was an easy target for the regime to use to scare America

Planes crashing into buildings and airport security has been such a great fear mongering tool for the bu$h regime. What would they have been able to use that is so visible in the United States to promote the fear and mold the opinions of so many?

[CGowen]

2. they don't care that much (QRS 11 etc)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x147912

[SteppingRazor]

3. But the reason we need to look at airport security is, natch, terrorism.

Terrorism is an issue, like it or not. How we deal with terrorists is the issue here. We can either declare war on the rest of the world and treat terrorists like they're some sort of enemy nation (wrong). Or we can treat terrorists like we do any other dangerous organized crime problem, through law enforcement and prevention (right).

[penguin7]

8. What about that group in CA that killed themselves thinking

They were going to a new life in outer space somewhere? What if a group like that decided to go by taking down some planes? Is not that a worry? They weren't terrorists.

[SteppingRazor]

10. What if space aliens attacked?

What if the rapture happened?


Until nutball cults actually start targeting airports and whatnot, why not deal with reality instead of hypotheticals?

[penguin7]

12. We have had all kinds of nutballs targeting all kinds

of things. McVeigh and his group, the sniper and his band of two. There are plenty of nutballs. Many more nutballs than terrorists. I am also more inclined to group the 911 guys as your typical nutballs rather than your typical terrorists. Those 911 guys were real nut jobs.

[SteppingRazor]

13. Kay. I certainly agree with that.

But it's still a semantic argument. I don't care whether we call them terrorists or nutballs. The point is, just like the snipers or McVeigh, the 9/11 hijackers were criminals. Thugs. They should've been treated as such, and our response should be commensurate. The big mistake was treating al-Qaeda like it was some sort of foreign power to be attacked by our Army. I mean, that's all they could ever ask for, to be treated like a power on the world stage instead of a gang of criminals. Talk about a great recruiting tool.

[yurbud]

4. It wasn't even airline security--those guys got expedited visas from Saudi even though they were on

terror watch list.

If we applied the same rules to Saudi we did to other countries, they would have been stopped.

If people in DC acted on info from field agents, they would have been stopped.

If normal hijacking procedures had been followed by the FAA and NORAD, most of the planes would have been stopped.

and so on.

[Parche]

5. FAA Norad

But Cheney was in charge of the military excercise that day...........makes you wonder :hi:

[yurbud]

7. he was heart of operation--literally (he had a USB cable running from his chest)

[Parche]

9. Cheney

Butt he doesnt have a heart.............:rofl: :rofl: :hi:

[yurbud]

15. PIC: Cheney DOES have a heart. All his defense connections paid off...

[valerief]

16. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. nt

[peacetalksforall]

11. 'those guys' are ALLEDGED killers - no criminal trial has been held.

The Cheney administration refused to hold criminal investigations - refused trial by judge and jury - refused all investigation and finally accepted an investigation of our intelligence services ONLY.

WTC bombing #1 - criminal case - convicted attackers in jail

WTC bombing #2 - criminal case - treated like Pearl Harbor - no trial, no jail and UNCONVICTED attackers and their much talked about funders/co-conspirators were not tried and there are reports that some of the 19 are alive and well and living in varions countries in Africa and near Asia. IN FACT - the Cheney administration passed down a ruling that Saudis - rumored to fund and sponsor the ALLEDGED killers - WERE NOT to be investigated.

[yurbud]

6. You were only twice as likely to die in a plane that day as listening to attack on radio driving

but seven times more likely to be injured in a traffic accident.

[Help me help Earth]

14. Good luck with that line of reasoning.

By the way, trains have NO security. I've ridden AMTRAK for free just by virtue of not being noticed.