MSM forever discredited if Kucinich, Edwards or anyone other than Hil or Obama wins primaries

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

Oh my God! How would they explain it?. They try to influence the news instead of just reporting it. They have no insight whatsoever as to what motivates rank and file Dems that vote in a primary. I would love to scramble some eggs for their collective faces.

[ruggerson]

1. Kind of like when they were discredited

when Kerry won instead of Dean, Gephardt or Lieberman?

[muntrv]

3. Or, like 1948, when the Chicago Tribune said "Dewey Defeats Truman."

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. Dean was the victim of a for real "electronic lynching"

when the MSM in a concerted and orchestrated effort played his electronically enhanced "scream" over and over and over and over with deranged and over-the-top commentary that described him as deranged and over-the-top.

[ruggerson]

7. That happened after Dean had already lost the Iowa caucus

and plummeted in the polls.

Dean self destructed in the few weeks before the caucus, because he was not ready, at that stage, for prime time national politics. I remember clearly, because I was supporting him and was dismayed at how he lost his temper in public, let a stupid gotcha story get him completely bent out of shape, and acted angry and annoyed at a debate in January.

His poll numbers went down as a result and Kerry came out of nowhere to win the caucus, much to the surprise of the MSM.

Until that point, Dean had been the MSM insurgency favorite. Including a glowing Time cover story.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. He lost the Iowa Caucus but it was still early days

All of his minor missteps were exaggerated beyond belief. Remember, the MSM delivered George W. Bush relatively unscathed to the American voters in spite of:

TANG
Harken
Drugs
DWI
Texas
and any number of other flaws large and small

I don't recall Dean giving a public finger to the press like Bush did. And yet, Dean was "not ready for Primetime" and GWB was?!!

[ruggerson]

12. No question

the MSM treats the GOP differently than the Dems. But that wasn't the message in your OP.

I still think Edwards has a very good shot, because often the MSM pumped candidates, this time Clinton and Obama, fall short with Iowa caucus goers and New Hampshire voters, who are notoriously unpredictable.

If Edwards wins Iowa, takes second place in NH, wins NV, he will be well positioned to hit Super Tuesday at a flying pace.

Contrary to your OP, the MSM conventional wisdom is often upended, imho. But it doesn't seem to discredit them, they just keep on spewing their shit.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Nope

you have the order of events wrong.

Dean screamed AFTER doing very poorly in Iowa, after all his efforts there.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

13. See post OP , 4 and 10

I didn't have order of events wrong. I wasn't discussing Dean at all in the OP and Iowa was not mentioned in my response about Dean in post 4. We all know that Dean screamed after Iowa - it was a response to his loss in Iowa after all.

I wish discussions didn't turn into "gotcha" sessions all the time.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. the point is that his campaign

was collapsing on its own, without the media playing the "Scream".

However, as soon as I saw the Scream live on TV, I knew it would be played again and again and again. It was noteworthy.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

17. It really wasn't "noteworthy"

It was a guy giving a pep talk to his soldiers in the trenches after he took a loss. Everyone who was actually there said it wasn't "noteworthy" at all. It only became "noteworthy" when it became played and played and played again with the accompanying commentary that belittled Dean like he had never had 20 other seconds of public exposure. I remember the commentary at the time well - they called him "out of control" "crazy" "demented" and every other adjective you want to throw in there.

I really believe that a concerted "electronic lynching" took place of Howard Dean. I think the whole incident should be studied and remembered well. And what was his crime? He said "ARRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!" Not an obscenity, not a slur, not anything that would change the course of human events (in a sane universe) just ARRRGGGGHHH. But saying ARRGGGHHHH to his followers meant he was not fit to be our President.

I hope he writes his autobiography and calls it "ARRRGGGHHHH - The World That Might Have Been"

[MonkeyFunk]

18. I watched it live on TV with my brother here

we both immediately said "he just lost it", meaning not just his mental stability, but the campaign.

It was extremely noteworthy.

[MuseRider]

19. My husband and I as well.

We looked at each other and actually laughed. He was done before the caucus and that was a noteworthy scream as you say. I know they play favorites but that was a must I am afraid.

[lyonn]

21. True, you had to search hard to find the sound video

with the background noise (cheering). I heard it once and couldn't believe how different Dean came off in the real world he was in. Was Dean fighting the msm, the repubs and devious Dems? He didn't fit the tried and true mold the powers that be wanted. He had definite ideas that not all the "important" people agreed with, he was too outspoken and apparently too honest. He seems to be the same man now as he was then. He said right away that the capture of Saddam didn't make us any safer.... truer words were never spoken. Yet the cowards bashed him.

[babylonsister]

2. How did they explain cheerleading the occupation, or WMDs?

They don't.

[w13rd0]

5. Yes...

...because they've done an excellent job repenting for their war boosting, and their cheerleading for der Fuerher...</sarcasm>

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Nah. Kerry Was Written Off Even A Week Or Two Before Iowa.

If Mrs. Clinton craters, people probably will remember that, because of her notoriety, and her amusing "resistance is futile - I am the chosen one" nonsense.

[ruggerson]

9. Exactly

I agree with Manny.

Are we in an alternate reality? :)

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

8. ok - "forever discredited" is just wishful hyperbole on my part

I keep thinking that they are forever discredited at least three times a week.

[AtomicKitten]

14. They managed to explain why the Voter News Service

wasn't available to do exit-polling during the 2002 election. Just not very well.

They aided and abetted yet another election theft.

Particularly in the 2002 Senate races, the GOP mo-fos "won" by wild overnight polling swings. 2002 was bullshit. Disclaimer: So was 2000 and 2004. I think the only reason we won in 2006 was we won big. The GOP Wrecking Machine subsidiary Diebold: We Steal Elections is warming up for 2008.

The MSM aided and abetted yet another election theft.

[Buzz Clik]

15. Discredited? By whom? They write their own press.

[Yukari Yakumo]

20. No.

Edwards still has a slim chance. But at this point, he needs help. He needs the Obama campaign to fall apart, HRC's campaign to stagnate, and Gore to stay out.

Winning it on his own, though, I think is out of reach.