Hillary on Cuba: No changes in U.S. policy towards Cuba

[Colobo]

CLINTON: In response to Obama’s comments that the US should move toward normalizing relations with Cuba -- if the country takes steps towards democracy -- Clinton responds in a statement: "Until it is clear what type of policies might come with a new government, we cannot talk about changes in the U.S. policies toward Cuba," reports the AP’s Hispanic Affairs reporter Laura Wides-Munoz.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/22/327601.aspx

The same old approach vs. change... you decide...

[redqueen]

1. Hahahahaha...wow.

Way to take a stand for positive change there.

[antiimperialist]

50. It's not Fidel being affected by the embargo. It's children and the poor.

Too bad Americans choose only right-wingers and moderates.

[redqueen]

51. Moderates don't care. n/t

[xultar]

2. I think Obama is the winner with this one. I really disagree with Clinton on this.

[DemKR]

3. what a free country we live in

what right does any president have to restrict where we can travel? screw you!

[rinsd]

4. I disagree with Hillary on this.

The travel ban is silly.

[Colobo]

7. It is silly indeed.

[Hippo_Tron]

42. Thank-you for admitting so

I hope that whoever is elected President will work on changing Cuba policy.

[rinsd]

44. Even incremental steps towards normalization are far preferable to stay the course (nt)

[BluegrassDem]

5. I don't know why Hillary would support the harsh stance of the Bush admin.?

It's really silly. The young Cuban-Americans are all for a change. There's no good in keeping such a harsh policy against them. And I think most Americans agree.

[peacetalksforall]

6. Deplorable, utterly and disgustingly deplorable.

[murray hill farm]

8. Wow! Sometimes I am amazed at the things

that come out of her mouth. I have tried and tried to believe in her, but I just cannot.

[Totally Committed]

9. Jeezuss... what is her problem?

Who the hell has she got advising her campaign.... Attila the Hun?

WTF????


TC

[Colobo]

10. Even worse: How can so many people support her?

[Totally Committed]

16. I swear to you, I have no fricking idea why!

TC

[SaveElmer]

19. I feel the same about Obama...nt

[obnoxiousdrunk]

25. Me too.

[Colobo]

26. But I don't.

[Forkboy]

28. I feel the same about both.

[Cha]

41. Who do like,

Forkboy? :)

[Forkboy]

46. All of them are mixed bags,but I like Kooch the best.

Which will surprise no one here. :)

Edwards would be my second pick.After that I'm fairly indifferent to the rest.

I don't think any of our candidates are bad people,but I do have some disagreements with each one,even DK.I just pick the one I have the least amount of disagreements with.It's why I always laugh at the "purity" charge that people toss out here.If I demanded purity I'd never vote for anyone.

Well,maybe myself. :silly:

[Cha]

52. I still don't have a

candidate..unlike the 2004 primaries when Dean was the one about 30 minutes after I recovered from hearing Gore wasn't going to run.

Yeah, no one has to worry about being too pure in these presidential races..the War On Iraq was my issue from the get. Anyone who would be for that and the never-changing war machine does not qualify for me. Although, I think Edwards and Kerry genuinely regret giving that vote to buSHIT.

The United States needs a miracle..why it wasn't too long ago that the Dems won the majority in Congress and we thought that was our miracle.
Damn false alarm! It could be worse if we had to listen to catkillerfrist instead of Harry Reid. And denny bastert instead Nancy Pelosi tellin' why Impeachment is Mission Impossible.

Kooch is good..speaking of haircuts..I saw a pic of him once where he had this razor cut with hair down in front and he looked spiffy! That thing he does with sweeping his hair to the side doesn't enhance his appearance imo. This comes under the heading of.."The Whole Package" ;)

[bvar22]

65. I'm with Forkboy.

Kooch first, but could vote for Edwards if necessary.



This statement by Hillary about Cuba doesn't surprise me.
Hillary is no Liberal. Never has been. Never will be.
She may be moderate on some Social Issues, but Economically she is a CONSERVATIVE, and a HAWK on Foreign Policy.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

11. The US policy towards Cuba...

is perhaps the most idiotic policies we have ever had. :eyes:

Forty years of the same old bullshit has produced exactly squat in results -- what is it they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Hillary is 100% wrong on this issue, and it shows she is mired in 20th century thinking about how we interact with the world.

[Colobo]

12. I would like to see a Hillary supporter justify this.

[SaveElmer]

13. Read the article...

Cubans in Florida themselves are conflicted over the ban...some support it...

I personally think it is kind of stupid...but then again, I'm not Cuban

[Colobo]

15. The old, Republican Cuban exiles want the ban. The young, Democratic ones don't.

[SaveElmer]

17. So its hardly a slam dunk, unanimous opinion among Cuban-American's themselves...

eom

[Colobo]

20. Yeah, those who support the embargo have been proven wrong for the last 40 years

and young Cubans realize it.

[Blue-Jay]

21. Why should foreign policy be decided that way?

[Colobo]

22. Because for some, what's right doesn't matter. What's politically expedient

is what matters for them.

[Forkboy]

14. She's outright wrong on this.

And while I think some of the language Obama used is a little...um...antiquated,I give him credit for at least trying to shift the dialog in the right direction.

[truebrit71]

18. Yeah because the old policy has borne so much fruit, right Hil?

:eyes:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...


HRC? No thanks :thumbsdown:

[Colobo]

23. Exactly.

[quinnox]

24. I honestly don't care about this

Good for Obama that he finally found something to differentiate him from Clinton policy wise, but I doubt this Cuba thing is important enough to many voters. Heck, he may even piss off the ex-Cubans in Florida and it could backfire if he was the nominee.

[Forkboy]

30. It could easily backfire,which is why he deserves some credit for saying it.

But I do agree that overall this will be a non-issue to the vast majority of voters.

[Colobo]

31. For Floridians and voters from Cuba, DR and Puerto Rico like myself

it is important. How our next president will approach the Hispanic Caribbean and Latin America is very important.

[Forkboy]

34. I didn't say it wasn't important to some.

Just that it won't be that important to most voters. :shrug:

For the record,I agree with you.I think our approach on this is becoming vitally important.

[Colobo]

35. The fact that many voters don't care illustrates why Bush has been able to be

in the White House for almost 8 years. Scary.

[Forkboy]

47. The issue has been criminally ignored for far too long.

Even by me,but I'm working on changing that.

I have to say that this is the first real issue where Obama has struck a chord in me,and while I think there's more room for improvement in what he says,it's a desperately overdue step in the right direction.

[Hippo_Tron]

43. And then there are those of us that want to buy Cuban products

Havana Club is by far the best rum I've ever had. I really hope that after a few years into President Obama's administration the silly embargo will be lifted so that I can buy some in the US.

[Colobo]

45. If you want Havana Club, go to Spain. They sell it over there. Excellent rum.

[Hippo_Tron]

48. Well I was in Europe a few months ago, they have it all over Europe

I considered bringing a few bottles back but was worried that customs would take them.

[quinnox]

32. I agree, it won't matter much for voters n/t

[sandnsea]

55. It exemplifies her "stay the course" ways

If you don't want change, if the capitulations of the 90's are acceptable, if validating the radical right is ok, then continue supporting Hillary. It isn't so much THIS issue, it's that she is signaling she won't change very much from where we are now, at all.

[Colobo]

56. Yep. This is the old-school way of thinking. I thought it was almost exclusive of Republicans.

[Colobo]

27. Kick.

[AtomicKitten]

29. Change for me, please. (nt)

[Colobo]

33. For me too.

[Donna Zen]

36. How about that Communist China deal?

Well, that's just peachy with the Clintons, but let's keep pandering to a few Cubans in Florida.

I've traveled many times to the Dominican Republic, and I find it convenient to fly from Canada. The only time I've been hassled at the border was when (gasp) the guards thought I might have to Cuba. If only! The Canadians can travel to that beautiful country and i don't see them bursting into flames. I also don't see this failed policy suddenly working.

What is really curious is why the MSM is jumping all over Obama's statement. Dodd, Kucinich and Richardson have all gone further in recently. It seems that when "she who must be obeyed" says jump, the MSM only question is "how high?"

To me, Senator Clinton represents all that is wrong with the Democratic Party.

[Colobo]

37. I agree 100%. By the way, I love the DR.

[dionysus]

38. Hillary's courageous stand against the Castro menace! *woot*

:sarcasm:

[Colobo]

39. LOL!

[harun]

49. Hehe real out of the box thinking there Hillary, way to take a chance !!!!

[Cha]

40. Recommended! sh-illary

is after the southern Florida vote..just might lose some other important votes, though.

[zulchzulu]

53. That's what I call similar foreign policy experience...

...that these guys have.

[Colobo]

54. LOL! Exactly!

[frylock]

57. why oh why does the hil thrill cult avoid these topics?

cmon, folks. sell me on your girl. i wanna hear all about change.

[rinsd]

58. There are a few response on this thread from Hillary supporters.

Maybe you should try reading them instead of making shit up about us avoiding the issue.

[frylock]

59. well, i see you and i see SaveElmer (who appears to be in full denial mode)..

so until one of you is prepared to post something of substance, I'll continue to state that HRC's supporters don't want to address these topics.

[Hippo_Tron]

63. rinsd admitted that Hillary was wrong on this issue

And the fact is that this is an issue that an overwhelming majority of people in the Democratic Party agree on except for those seeking elected office. You won't get much debate from Hillary supporters on this issue, but you're not going to get them to support someone else because of it. Hillary is dead wrong on this issue just as every candidate (including the one that I support) except for Kucinich and Gravel is dead wrong on gay marriage. That doesn't mean that I'm going to start supporting Kucinich or Gravel.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

64. I'll...

... go along with that --

Tell me faithful Hillary supporters - why should I vote for her? Is it because I am hypnotized by all your pro-Hillary gobeldegoop?

[David Zephyr]

60. Probably a smart campaign move, but a lousy & hypocritical policy move.

If her husband could have China, hardly a democratic society, as most favored nation in trade status, her double and cruel standard against Cuba is completely hypocritical.

I'm not sure how this will play with the American people this day and age. Certainly, Obama found a weak place in Hillary's armor and went right to it.

Obama may make something out of this. We'll see.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

61. What she is saying is

It's okay to have American people and their animals poisoned by Red China - But let's not trade with
Cuba because they are dirty commies....

Makes sense to me.

[ShortnFiery]

62. Clearly, Obama is for tolerance and "a good" type of change in our foreign policy perspective. nt

[Cameron27]

66. Obama's got this one right.