Ralph Nader: Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought!

[LoZoccolo]

In this video, Ralph Nader tells a group about how one congressman explained that part of the reason he won't vote for impeachment is that Bush will, in response, attack Iran, call for Martial law, and cancel the 2008 elections.

As Nader says, If the congressman is right, things are a lot worse, and if he's wrong, he's really paranoid and we don't have a healthy opposition party.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_071012_ralph_nader_3a_things_.htm

And we would not have Bush* without you, Nader. You are a deciding factor in how things got that bad, so do not act surprised. And you needed to be more paranoid in 2000 when you were saying there was not a significant difference between the parties. Personally, I think you knew.

[journalist3072]

1. I just have so little respect for Ralph Nader. He seems to only show up every 4 yrs @election time

Where is he in those non-election years, when there is still vital work to be done?

[Sparkly]

2. Now now, I'm sure we'd be wanting to impeach Al Gore right now if he'd taken office.

I mean, there's really no difference, right? :eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

5. I hadn't thought of that. We wouldn't be talking about impeaching anyone right now.

Good call. :thumbsup:

[skipos]

11. And Bush would be getting a Nobel Peace Prize if he hadn't been elected too

I mean, Gore and Bush are two peas in a pod, just like Ralph told us, right? :eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

12. lol

:thumbsup:

[Sparkly]

13. That's riiiiight!!!

:rofl:

[whistle]

3. Ralph Nader is like a four year locust scourge

[AX10]

4. This is why we should all vote for the Democratic nominee.

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[beberocks]

8. Exactly! It makes me mad to hear Nader voters complain about *

After all, they helped elect him!

[LoZoccolo]

9. When I was complaining about how Bush* was starting to nominate right-wing justices...

...and how Nader and his followers must not have thought that that would be a significant consequence of their 2000 votes, I was hit with "why are you talking about that, that was years ago!" Well duh, a presidential vote has consequences for years to come!

[Catch22Dem]

6. I was going to say he only pukes out his bullshit every 4 years, but...

Several have beat me to it.

[Mend]

7. Dr. Justin Frank, the psychiatrist who wrote "Bush on the Couch" has recently

said the same thing about bush as the congressman. He said bush is so paranoid and crazy that you can't push him into a corner. If you had a rabid giant rat living in your basement that you know would be gone in about 400 days, you might choose to wait it out, rather than setting a rat trap and get bitten. Duh, ralph, that's the lunatic you helped elect.

[kurth]

10. Yeah, thanks for the brilliant diagnosis

Thanks for putting the moron in the White House.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. I have zero respect for Ralph Nader....

It's inconsequential to me if he points out fact or not anymore. He is the reason Bush sits in the White House today. That's all I need to know. I recall asking Naderites if they were aware that by asking people to vote for Nader they would never elect Nader but they would put Bush in, and one went as far as telling me that he didn't care, that it was a Dem problem, not his.

So Ralph Nader can talk till he's blue in the face, and so can Naderites, and as far as I'm concerned, they're just talking out of a not-very-pleasant part of their body.

[Cleita]

15. If what he says is true, then Pelosi and Congress are allowing

the White House bullies to intimidate them with fear. IMPEACH them all right now and if they start more wars, call for martial law and cancel the 2008 election, it's more evidence to impeach them on.

I always suspected Nader of being a right wing operative. He's the one right now trying to make us afraid so we don't impeach them while pretending to be with us.

[opihimoimoi]

16. Nader should be hunted down and made to realize what a collosal fuck up he really is

He should be given a mega headache/guilt trip on how he kept Gore from being our rightful Leader....

He and the GOP has fucked our Nation to the point of collapse....

How the Hell can he sleep at night?? Only through the Delusion he and the GOP possess. Fuck him and the pig shit he thrives in.

[133724]

17. If this is true what makes you think he will fade quietly on Jan 20th 2009???

[Mend]

19. Personally, I believe that he hates being president....I think he can't wait

to go but he and cheney are so insane that they might go totally psycho if cornered and bomb away. I don't think it is worth the risk, so if Pelosi and company can keep him calm and with a sliver of his maniacal ego intact, we may get out of this with a shred of our country left. Better than nothing.

[L0oniX]

18. What a damned clown he is

[ShortnFiery]

20. The Pro-Bush and Anti-Nader crowd have one strong character FLAW in common.

They love to blame THEIR OWN MISTAKES on someone else ... pound it home and nurture that hate.

How productive and healthy ... how's that working out for you running up to the primaries? :crazy:

Yes, Heaven forbid that you DARE to look inward ... yes, do a little introspection in order to make the LOGICAL conclusion those of us who are not stuck in the "hate Nader" mode arrived at during 2001: Al Gore picked a poor running mate and ran a lack luster campaign.

Just for one moment, could you be willing to set aside ALL THAT HATE, to acknowledge that if The Presidential Election had NOT been close, perhaps Nader would not be the fall-guy because Gore would have won? :shrug:

NOPE, don't do anything productive ... just remain seated on that *pity-potty* and blame it all on that mean ole' Ralph Nader. :eyes:

[TwilightZone]

21. There is little doubt that Nader played a factor.

Nader chose to run most heavily in the states where he thought that he could be a spoiler. Mission accomplished.

It is possible for events to have multiple causes. The 2000 election is one of those events. Ralph Nader was one of the causes.

[ShortnFiery]

22. Sure, and hyper-focus on that one element until you worked yourselves into

a tizzy. :eyes: It's much better than admitting that WE ARE FLAWED That is, Our Gore Campaign / Promotion / Canvassing could have been run much better?

Please at least pause to reconsider all this ruminating over one man as the PRIMARY reason Al Gore is not President today? ... In my not so humble opinion, those who choose to BLAME someone else for their disappointments in life as well as nurture those resentments, tend to vote republican. :shrug:

[TwilightZone]

24. What part of "there are multiple causes" are you having difficulty with?

Repeatedly denying that Ralph Nader was a factor in the '00 election is no less obsessive than asserting that he was the sole cause of the loss.

[ShortnFiery]

28. What part of "obsessing on one fall guy" do you not copy?

Gosh, I could do this all day, but I have chores, ya know? :hi:

[TwilightZone]

30. Perhaps you should bother to actually read.

There were multiple reasons why we lost in '00. Ralph Nader was one of those reasons.

Where in that statement am I "obsessing on one fall guy"?

That would be: nowhere.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Perhaps you should READ all the flame-tard responses?

This is a big time pity me = hate Nader party. In my decades of addiction counseling ... well you must drive your friends and loved ones nutty with all that spewed hatred toward one guy? :shrug:

Shh! Nope, I'm not suggesting a Dx - NOBODY can in cyberspace. But I'm getting the impression that some of you love to obsess on such hatred and it just "ain't healthy." :shrug:

[TwilightZone]

33. If you're looking for people on DU that share your Ralph Nader hero worship,

you're going to be disappointed.

If you spent all those years doing addiction counseling, you should understand what you're doing. It's called projection.

[ShortnFiery]

35. Too funny, I was pissed at Nader too, but I resolved that hate within a year - No, I've never voted

for Nader and I never will. But love the hyperbole, it looks raucous on you. ;)

[TwilightZone]

36. Sure, you were.

If you expect anyone to believe that, you're fishing in the wrong lake.

[ShortnFiery]

37. I expect you NOT to believe my comments in the post above, but they are genuine.

Everyone will have to arrive at their own conclusions - as usual. :shrug:

[Echo In Light]

23. Another character flaw: Denial

It's apparently easier - or funner - to remain mired in negative emotions than it is to look at the ample evidence of blatant election theft in 00 and 04.

[ShortnFiery]

26. No, I admit that WE, The Democratic Party helped Al Gore run a less than stellar campaign.

You see, I admit my faults. However, people who wish to spend their time blaming others for their own foibles, are by definition, the ones in denial.

Good luck - you're *nurturing that hate* IMO, just like right wing republican :wow: I should know, I live among these beasties ... bravo - you have this HATE gig in common. :eyes:

[Echo In Light]

38. Huh? is that in response to me?

Because pointing out the fact that the republican machine, coupled with the supreme court, and the so-called "liberal" media, which is nothing but a megaphone mouthpiece for right-wing corporate interests, did in fact steal the last two general elections doesn't have anything at all to do with "nurturing hate;" abiding that fallacy allows the right to frame the debate as they've successfully done over the past several years, with much cooperation from card carrying Dem's who likewise shout-down any who dare raise the issue - "get over it!" ...and anyone who sticks to the facts is somehow fostering hatred ....uh, no. It only angers those brainwashed by mainline propaganda.

[LoZoccolo]

25. I'm not blaming them on anyone.

My own mistake is that I didn't slam Nader harder in 2000, so I'm fixing that now.

[ShortnFiery]

27. Oh yes, now you've really hit on the answer I was hoping for ...

:eyes: :crazy: :eyes:

[Mend]

32. we need to learn from mistakes...one of them was allowing Nader to lie about

us. Nader is a brilliant man who knows better but is busy trying to wash the blood off his hands with stubborn repetition of the same old shit. He allowed a lot of people, how many we will never know, to rationalize their votes for self-interest, for an evil man by thinking "they're all the same anyway, at least my taxes will go down".

[ShortnFiery]

34. Excellent Points - Nader was *one cog* in a totally f**ked up 2000 Election.

:hi:

[LoZoccolo]

46. Nader was a decisive cog.

He was also a cog that didn't need to be there, and whose premise was a lie.

[Echo In Light]

39. And he holds to the crazy idea that...

Our political system be open and diverse to a wide range of views, issues and opinions, instead of continually relying on the two Name Brands which are only viable for extremely wealthy candidates, and are in fact largely two right-wings of the same one corporate party.

[Mend]

43. No third party candidate has ever won the presidency but several have been

spoilers, ralph among them. So not only is the idea crazy, but evil. Extremism in the defense of "liberty" is a vice, no matter what Goldwater said.

[LoZoccolo]

47. His actions do not reflect that.

If he believed that he'd do something about it. What he is doing does not work toward that goal.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

51. That's what I say about Nader.....

He blamed us who are Democrats for not having another political party and set about to punish us by ensuring us a fascist president then pretending he was just running for office. I realize he thinks people are stupid, but he has an over-inflated concept of how stupid he thinks people are. He thinks none of us noticed what he did.

[FreakinDJ]

29. SCREW NADER - don't care what he says except I'm not running

The POS is responcible for the Bush Whitehouse

TRAITOR

[mmonk]

40. So you're saying you think he knew how this would end up?

Where's your tin foil hat?

[zalinda]

42. Yup, I think he knew.

I think he wanted this country so fucked up that we would have an all out revolution. I think in his twisted mind, he would be the saviour (okay, I admit that's a little:tinfoilhat:).

I gave him the benefit of the doubt in 2000, but when he ran in 2004, I knew he was a spoiler. He had absolutely no excuse to run in 2004, as he knew Bush had already screwed up things badly, and that he wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning. Our only hope was for a dem to be in the white house, and he tried to screw with that. Bill Maher and Michael Moore both got on their knees and asked him not to run. He was taking money from repubs and trying to get on the ballot in swing states. The dems had to spend considerable time, energy and money trying to fight him, just in case he would make a dent in the election. I don't forgive him for 2004! He doesn't get a second "maybe he didn't know". He knew and still wanted to fuck with us.

What I want to know is, what book is he trying to promote now. He has seriously "jumped the shark" and I wouldn't give him the time of day anymore. And this is from someone who used to hold him in high regard.

zalinda

[LoZoccolo]

45. It's actually not as tinfoil as you may think because it has historical precedent.

Stalin encouraged German communists not to form an alliance with liberals during the German election which eventually yielded an Adolph Hitler victory. The mentality there was that Hilter would make things so bad, that people would run to the communists.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. Exactly. He wanted the country all f*cked up so there'd be a revolution.....

He didn't give a shit if the most helpless among us suffered greatly. He's egotistical as hell.

[LoZoccolo]

53. When my dad was in college in the early seventies, he saw Nader speak.

He told me that basically he came in thinking that Nader was going to be really cool, and left thinking he was crazy. I can't remember what kinds of things Nader said that made him think that, so I don't know anything about whether or not it had anything to do with fomenting a revolution or something, but that was his impression.

[LoZoccolo]

44. I think he knew things would get worse.

Because he knew that there really was a difference between parties.

[bluedog]

41. who gives a ROYAL F' what Nader says n/t

[Joe Bacon]

48. Ruck You, Falph!

Dumb idiot says there's no difference between a Nobel prize winner and an asshole.

Do us a favor Ralph and drive off in a Corvair!

[Imagevision]

49. Anyone NOT thinking Nader won't jump into the 08 elections is really dumb...!

Ralph a bought and paid for spoiler, the GOP even openly contributed to his 04 campaign.

[Vickers]

50. Unless he names the congress member who said this, I take it on

faith that he is lying.