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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:45 PM
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Study: 1 Out of 4 Homeless Are Veterans - I would think this would piss off every American
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 08:45 PM by EV_Ares
By KIMBERLY HEFLING, AP
Wed Nov 7, 8:27 PM EST
Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11 percent of the general adult population, according to a report to be released Thursday. And homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and elderly veterans. Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are trickling into shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help with finding a job. The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars and says 400 of them have participated in its programs specifically targeting homelessness. The National Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education nonprofit, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.

In comparison, the VA says that 20 years ago, the estimated number of veterans who were homeless on any given night was 250,000.

Some advocates say the early presence of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless. Advocates worry that intense and repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable. "We're going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental health toll from this war is enormous," said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.

While services to homeless veterans have improved in the past 20 years, advocates say more financial resources still are needed. With the spotlight on the plight of Iraq veterans, they hope more will be done to prevent homelessness and provide affordable housing to the younger veterans while there's a window of opportunity. "When the Vietnam War ended, that was part of the problem. The war was over, it was off TV, nobody wanted to hear about it," said John Keaveney, a Vietnam veteran and a founder of New Directions in Los Angeles, which provides substance abuse help, job training and shelter to veterans.

"I think they'll be forgotten," Keaveney said of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. "People get tired of it. It's not glitzy that these are young, honorable, patriotic Americans. They'll just be veterans, and that happens after every war."

Keaveney said it's difficult for his group to persuade some homeless Iraq veterans to stay for treatment and help because they don't relate to the older veterans. Those who stayed have had success _ one is now a stock broker and another is applying to be a police officer, he said.

"They see guys that are their father's age and they don't understand, they don't know, that in a couple of years they'll be looking like them," he said.

After being discharged from the military, Jason Kelley, 23, of Tomahawk, Wis., who served in Iraq with the Wisconsin National Guard, took a bus to Los Angeles looking for better job prospects and a new life. Kelley said he couldn't find a job because he didn't have an apartment, and he couldn't get an apartment because he didn't have a job. He stayed in a $300-a-week motel until his money ran out, then moved into a shelter run by the group U.S. VETS in Inglewood, Calif. He's since been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, he said.

"The only training I have is infantry training and there's not really a need for that in the civilian world," Kelley said in a phone interview. He has enrolled in college and hopes to move out of the shelter soon.

The Iraq vets seeking help with homelessness are more likely to be women, less likely to have substance abuse problems, but more likely to have mental illness _ mostly related to post-traumatic stress, said Pete Dougherty, director of homeless veterans programs at the VA.

Overall, 45 percent of participants in the VA's homeless programs have a diagnosable mental illness and more than three out of four have a substance abuse problem, while 35 percent have both, Dougherty said. Historically, a number of fighters in U.S. wars have become homeless. In the post-Civil War era, homeless veterans sang old Army songs to dramatize their need for work and became known as "tramps," which had meant to march into war, said Todd DePastino, a historian at Penn State University's Beaver campus who wrote a book on the history of homelessness. After World War I, thousands of veterans _ many of them homeless _ camped in the nation's capital seeking bonus money. Their camps were destroyed by the government, creating a public relations disaster for President Herbert Hoover. The end of the Vietnam War coincided with a time of economic restructuring, and many of the same people who fought in Vietnam were also those most affected by the loss of manufacturing jobs, DePastino said. Their entrance to the streets was traumatic and, as they aged, their problems became more chronic, recalled Sister Mary Scullion, who has worked with the homeless for 30 years and co-founded of the group Project H.O.M.E. in Philadelphia.

"It takes more to address the needs because they are multiple needs that have been unattended," Scullion said. "Life on the street is brutal and I know many, many homeless veterans who have died from Vietnam."

The VA started targeting homelessness in 1987, 12 years after the fall of Saigon. Today, the VA has, either on its own or through partnerships, more than 15,000 residential rehabilitative, transitional and permanent beds for homeless veterans nationwide. It spends about $265 million annually on homeless-specific programs and about $1.5 billion for all health care costs for homeless veterans. Because of these types of programs and because two years of free medical care is being offered to all Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, Dougherty said they hope many veterans from recent wars who are in need can be identified early.

"Clearly, I don't think that's going to totally solve the problem, but I also don't think we're simply going to wait for 10 years until they show up," Dougherty said. "We're out there now trying to get everybody we can to get those kinds of services today, so we avoid this kind of problem in the future."

In all of 2006, the National Alliance to End Homelessness estimates that 495,400 veterans were homeless at some point during the year. The group recommends that 5,000 housing units be created per year for the next five years dedicated to the chronically homeless that would provide permanent housing linked to veterans' support systems. It also recommends funding an additional 20,000 housing vouchers exclusively for homeless veterans, and creating a program that helps bridge the gap between income and rent.

Following those recommendations would cost billions of dollars, but there is some movement in Congress to increase the amount of money dedicated to homeless veterans programs. On a recent day in Philadelphia, case managers from Project H.O.M.E. and the VA picked up William Joyce, 60, a homeless Vietnam veteran in a wheelchair who said he'd been sleeping at a bus terminal.

"You're an honorable veteran. You're going to get some services," outreach worker Mark Salvatore told Joyce. "You need to be connected. You don't need to be out here on the streets."

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Associated Press writer Kathy Matheson contributed to this story from Philadelphia.

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On the Net: National Alliance to End Homelessness: http://www.naeh.org/

New Directions: http://www.newdirectionsinc.org/

Project Home: http://www.projecthome.org/

County of Lancaster: http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/

Veterans Affairs Department: http://www.va.gov/

U.S. Vets: http://usvetsinc.org/

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:47 PM
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1. Well they would if they were informed by the MSM...but the MSM
is moving on to the impending war with Iran...and lets see...Brittany Spears aliminoy to Kfed....and everything else...


So they are purposely not being informed so they can't register their anger.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:58 PM
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2. One day this summer I was exiting a strip mall parking lot
and spotted a homeless guy sporting a sign saying "Navy Vet. No home. No hope. Please help." I reached into my wallet and gave him everything I had, which, unfortunately, was only a few dollars. I came around and parked nearby for a few minutes because I wanted to see the response he received from all of the good Republicans in this very Conservative suburb a few minutes from the Reagan library. In the next ten minutes not one person - and most of them were driving big SUVs - gave him anything. Most sped up when they saw him. Support the troops, my ass. Discard the troops is more like it.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:25 PM
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3. I'm sorry, but by itself that statisitic is meaningless....
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 09:26 PM by mike_c
It makes a great headline, and has obvious emotional draw, but it doesn't really tell us much about either homelessness or about veterans affairs. Suppose BOTH veterans-- especially Vietnam era vets-- and the current homeless population are preferentially drawn from the ranks of the lowest economic demographics rather than uniformly from the general population? This seems likely, but if it's true then the comparison the OP makes to the general population is misleading at best and the REAL story is about class differences and their consequences in America, not about how veterans are treated.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:39 PM
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4. Not about veterans, I am sorry but it is all about veterans and the fact
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 09:45 PM by EV_Ares
is that 1 out of 4 are now homeless in this country. Maybe you think that is ok, not a big deal to you and it means nothing which evidently is part of the problem and reason why this situation is as it is. No, there are not details in this story of and where these veterans are from, race, economic group, etc which is not the easiest thing to do with them having to live on the streets but the information is being drawn.

I am sorry you don't see this as a big deal. It is ok to ask these people to die for you and me but the hell with them when they come back. This is part of some of America's attitude along with this administration's attitude & their followers.

You say it is "Not about how veterans are treated". 1 out of 4 are homeless, doesn't that have any significance to you"

I doubt if these guys worry too much if it is just great headlines to some people.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:46 PM
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5. of course it is "significant," but the story in the OP is about...
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 09:54 PM by mike_c
...the rate of homelessness among veterans being more than twice as high as the proportion of veterans in the general population. That is a meaningful statistic IF the expectation is that veterans should account for the same percentage of the homeless population as they account for among the general adult population. But it's misleading-- downright wrong-- if veterans are drawn from a different demographic than the general population-- if, for example, they are more likely to be drawn from some smaller segment of that population which is itself more likely to be homeless, e.g. from poor folks. In that case, veterans might be homeless at or near the proportion you would expect for all members of that narrower, more at risk demographic, and the real problem is homelessness in general, or economic disparities, not veterans affairs.

We cannot fix social problems if we don't identify their causes correctly.

on edit-- just focusing on the numbers is even more misleading. I mean, 3 out of 4 homeless people are not veterans-- that's a good sign, right? (That's an example, not a statement of opinion.)
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:06 PM
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6. Who said anything about not fixing social problems? This is a fact
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 10:06 PM by EV_Ares
article, nothing more needs to be said, 1 out 4 homeless people are veterans. That is fact. I don't understand what you are trying to do because they are working on stats and they have been for some time working on veterans problems with what they have. So what all this other crap you are throwing out........."if veterans are drawn from a different demographic than the general population-- if, for example, they are more likely to be drawn from some smaller segment of that population which is itself more likely to be homeless, e.g. from poor folks. In that case, veterans might be homeless at or near the proportion you would expect for all members of that narrower, more at risk demographic, and the real problem is homelessness in general, or economic disparities, not veterans affairs." That all means nothing or has nothing to do with this which is 1 out of 4 are homeless.

Now the deep deep details are being worked on. So what is your problem about the fact it has been discovered the number of veterans homeless are 1 out of 4 out there on the street.

You said before that had nothing to do with how they are treated -- that one is hard to understand if 1 out of 4 are homeless.
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