AP Poll- Clinton -45% Obama 22% Edwards 12%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr071108-2topline1.pdf&id=3711

[itsrobert]

1. If this isn't an Iowa or NH poll, don't bother posting

The average American just is not paying attention.

[durrrty libby]

4. But us above average Americans are paying attention

[itsrobert]

5. Yup and the DU polls favor DK and Edwards.

;)

[durrrty libby]

7. DU polls? That's what you are holding your hope on?

:rofl:

[itsrobert]

11. Yup

I give DU members more credit than uninformed opinion polls.

[durrrty libby]

31. Good luck with that.

:crazy:

[CyberPieHole]

17. ...

:spray:

[JI7]

2. when is the date from ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. 11-5 to 11-7

DSB

[durrrty libby]

6. She continues to increase in that one, as does the Ghoul

Looks like that will be the showdown

[rinsd]

8. It would seem the rise in all of the big 3's numbers stem from Al Gore's removal as a choice.

I also found these numbers combining 1st and 2nd choice interesting.

First and second choice COMBINED

                  11/5-7/07 10/1-3/07 9/21-25/07 9/10-12/07
Hillary Clinton            64       60         58         62
Barack Obama               50       47         44         40
John Edwards               31       26         26         24
Bill Richardson             9        6          7          7
Joe Biden                   7        6          5          6
Chris Dodd                  2        2          2          3
Other                       2        *          1          0
None                        6        3          5          4
DK/NS                       7        8          9          8
Al Gore*                    -       24         23         30

I guess Ipsos does not ask about Kucinich or Gravel :shrug:

[jenmito]

13. So from Sept. to now, Hillary gained 2 points and Obama gained 10

with first and second choice combined.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. I see you're still posting national polls like they have some relevance

Those numbers could change over night depending on what happens in Iowa and NH.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. If You

If you think Hillary Clinton's campaign will collapse because of a sub-par showing in IA and NH .which there is no evidence of that occurring , there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...

[Botany]

12. She is unsinkable .... just like the Titanic

Hillary is the greatest candidate ever, her staff, and volunteers are
second to none. So all you people who believe that you really have
a choice .... forget it .... The Hillary Blitzkrieg is rolling along just
like the Germans did in Russia ... Matter of fact she is the surest
thing since the 2006 Ohio State Buckeyes rolled into the national
Championship football game.

Surrender now or be ground into the dirt by Hillary inc.
Brought to you by .. The Insurance Industry, The HMOs, Big
Pharmaceutical Comapnies, the Military /Industry complex,
Wall street, and a lazy media.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. The Only Part Of Your Equation That Was Correct

Was the part where you alluded to the Gators' ownership of the Buckeyes...

[durrrty libby]

29. WooHoo

Thanks Red Sox You guys rule

Go Pats stay the course

" Hillary is the greatest candidate ever"


:woohoo: :applause: :applause: :woohoo:

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Which one of us is sounding naive now?

Pay close attention to your signature.

[rinsd]

16. Who's naive? The one who claimed her campaign was falling apart in early Nov.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3695117

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Or the ones who claimed the primaries were over in late July...

...cuts both ways my friend.

[rinsd]

21. I notice you didn't have a quote of mine there claiming the primaries over

And you won't find one.

So it appears to cut one way. :evilgrin:

[Joe the Revelator]

27. It's much easier for you, I'm one the front page, judging by the calenders and the polls...

July was a long long time ago. :)

[rinsd]

38. True.

And I guess taking my word for it would be a tad overreaching ;-)


I have gone after the memes of President Dean and President Lieberman because although the race has yet to be decided the polling in 2004 was very different from the polling in 2008 on quite a few levels.

Let's just say though I have certainly expressed confidence in my candidate and her campaign, I have never said its over or anything silly like that.

[CyberPieHole]

24. The post you linked to was so desperate and over-reaching...

I thought it might have been written with a sarcastic edge but I then realized the author was trying to be "serious". Egads! Why does it rile some people if Clinton is ahead in the polls...don't they want a Democrat in the White House? Are they so blinded by hatred that they would prefer to see a repug put the country through more turmoil? Clinton is third on my list of candidates, but I don't harbor her any ill will. Some people on this web-site could give some freeps a run for their money.


Heres to Senator Clinton...:toast:

[Joe the Revelator]

41. So many of the posts on DU are just.....unbeliviable

What part of the primaries do you not understand? Seriously? This isn't the time that we all come together and sing kumbiya. This is the time to discuss ideals, and the make up of the "ideal" candidate. You pick a horse and you ride it through the convention ( or at least through the primary season.)

Just because Hillary leads in some polls does not mean that if she stumbles we are given the election to the republicans. There is a very good argument to be made that Hillary not winning the nomination would be GREAT for the democratic chances in the GE.

I do take great pleasure in Hillary beginning her inevitable fall from grace. It means that a real democrat has a chance to win the nomination.

[CyberPieHole]

43. Quid Erat Desmonstratum.

:applause:

[durrrty libby]

49. You just need attention

:hug:

[rinsd]

15. But I thought you said the Clinton campaign was falling apart.

Or was that just overheated rhetoric?

"Those numbers could change over night depending on what happens in Iowa and NH."

Yes they could. They could also stay the same.

Considering that she is doing well in polling in NH & NV and is in the hunt in IA if not leading the pack, I would say the chances for her to become the nominee are quite good.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Doing well is not losing 10-15 points in the matter of a polling period..

I don't know what scenario would make negative poll movements in the most important primaries a positive thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Who Lost Ten To Fifteen Points In A Polling Period?

?

[rinsd]

23. You're pinning your hopes to a single Rasmussen poll?

I like Ras, he updates frequently which means we'll have another NH poll in 2 week or so.

She lost 2 points in the Zogby poll.

Otherwise, she went up in this poll. She went up in the NBC/WSJ. So far it looks as if she may have weathered the storm though we won't know until after the next round of polls and the next debate in 2 weeks.

And I never said it was a positive thing to go down in the polls.

I took issue with your ridiculous claim that the campaign was falling apart.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I Think He's Hanging His Hat On Zomby's IA And Rasmussen's NH Poll

She dropped eight points in Zomby's IA poll and six points in Rasmussen's NH poll... Both are one day polls so I will give them the weight they deserve...

[rinsd]

33. Zogby showed her dropping 2 points in IA not 8.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1385

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Her Lead In Zomby's Poll Went From Eleven To Three

I don't cherry pick or sugar coat polls... I'm not saying you do either...

[rinsd]

39. DSB...now you have me utterly confused. Who is Zomby?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Zomby=Zogby

I'm not a fan of his...I'll never forget when he called Al Gore, Al Bore, on the Beltway Boys during the 00 campaign to ingratiate himself with Fred Barnes... He also used to be a pal of Rush during the impeachment brouhaha and always made sure to word his polls to provoke the most anti-Clinton responses and this:


http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/10/22/122914/95


Oh yeah, I'm aware he's supposed to be "one of us" now...That's the problem... I want my data , value free....

[rinsd]

46. It was my fault. I was looking at her support (which went from 30 to 28) not her lead (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Her Lead In Zomby's Poll Went From Eleven To Three

I don't cherry pick or sugar coat polls... I'm not saying you do either...

[jenmito]

47. But Obama gained 6, for a total of 8 point narrowing, from 30%-19% to 28%-25%.:

She leads with 28% support, down from 30% in an August Zogby telephone poll. Barack Obama of Illinois, having made a serious campaign blitz of Iowa in recent months, is showing some progress at 25%, up from 19% in August

[Joe the Revelator]

32. At least I'm not pinning my hopes on National polls...

thats the very definition of misguided.

[rinsd]

34. I am a poll junkie but I do not pin my hopes on polls.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. Then why quote them to prove your point? nt

[rinsd]

40. Because I like a little evidence in my declarations as opposed to I said so.

:evilgrin:

And while polls have little useful predictive value, they can counter BS like Hillary is hated by Democrats, Hillary can't win in the GE, Hillary can't win in the South and other nuggets of "wisdom" that seem to have little evidence to them other than being oft repeated.

[Joe the Revelator]

42. Fair enough, nt

[CyberPieHole]

26. Link?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. See Post#25

DSB

[CyberPieHole]

30. Thanks, DSB...

I still think that a dip is to be expected (after the pile on during the last debate)...it's impossible for her to stay so far ahead forever...still, she is doing great and I think she could kick ANY of the repub's candidates to the curb.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. The MSM And Obama* Are Betting On A HRC Loss In IA and N H That Will Derail Her Campaign...

I don't think she will lose those states but even in the unlikely event she does I say she can pick herself up and dust herself off, and still win the nomination... She's getting sixty percent of the women's vote...Women make up sixty percent of Democratic primary voters...They won't abandon her easily...

[CyberPieHole]

45. Even if Senator Clinton were to suffer a loss in IA and NH, I agree, her capaign..

could recover. If Obama or Edwards were to lose in those states their campaigns are more likely to suffer a fatal blow. Clinton has been through the trenches. I don't think anyone should under-estimate her tenacity.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Bush* Lost NH By Twenty One Points

If a dry drunk like Bush* can pick himsself off the floor HRC can...

It's also ludicrous that the two most homogeneous states in the Union , NH, and IA, have so much power...

Oh, if Edwards loses IA which is likely he's done...That's why his attacks are so mean spirited... If this was a general election HRC would respond in kind because it's a zero sum game... She can't respond in kind in the primaries...Because with eight candidates it's anything but a zero sum game... The only beneficiary of Edwards' attacks is Barack Obama...

[durrrty libby]

50. I agree with you 100%

You must be smart :rofl: