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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:23 PM
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I like Obama personally, but isn't he a little naiive?
I mean, I bet either of the Clintons, Edwards, Biden or Dennis would have handled that "plant" much better. No candidate can afford to let himself or herself be tripped up by an elderly lady. After all, how would they perform meeting Pooty poot, for example, if they can't handle a little old lady without appearing flustered or upset?
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:25 PM
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1. Elderly? Was Obama tripped up by Hillary?
Hillary is almost as old as the "elderly" lady. I wonder if she makes more than 97K a year?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:46 PM
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6. She ain't no spring chicken
I guess it's perspective. To you she's not, to me she is. In any case, the age part isn't important, unless you're arguing that it is? Would it be better if he was flustered by a middle aged woman? How about a young woman?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:26 PM
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2. He is when it comes to embracing homophobes, and
then expecting the gay community to not think it's a big deal.

Oh, you were talking about the other incident.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:26 PM
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3. He handled her just fine. NT
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:26 PM
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4. The "plant" video you refer to had two edit/splices so how can you
voice an honest opinion/question over how Obama "handled" anything. (bogus video)
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:50 PM
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8. With complete temerity, apparently
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 12:53 PM by Cronus Protagonist
The issue in the press is Obama handled it from unprofessionally all the way to explosively. It's a given that it was not handled well, even if the error is only the impression he gave. You can argue severity ratings of the event all you want, but there was an event that made the news, of that there is no dount. I'm just asking if that was a little naiive of him.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:54 PM
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13. But seeing as how the reality is he handled it just fine
what's you point?

Other than to spread a right wing meme?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:01 PM
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16. I didn't make a point, I asked a question
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 01:02 PM by Cronus Protagonist
Apparently, you think he handled it fine and anyone who says otherwise is spreading a right wing meme. I'm not doing that. I simply asked a pertinent question. It didn't matter that the allegations against John Kerry were false either. He didn't handle them well enough, and he was naiive about the whole event, it's as simple as that.

Obama's campaign lost points in the last few days and I think that little old me asking on DU if that's not a little naiive isn't really a very hard bash on someone who's been all over the media last week for "yelling at a little old lady", whether or not the interpretation is accurate or not.

Ask anyone who's been on here since the dawn of time. If I wanted to slam him, believe me, I could.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:37 PM
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5. That's the one thing I have been saying. He is too immature...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:49 PM
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7. No.
Thanks.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:50 PM
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9. that's a decision each of us has to make.
Weighing what's important to you, making sure you have all the information you need to make an informed decision.
In my view, that was minor. As to standing with the homophobe, I measure that next to the work he's done, and it's just not the most important part of his work. It's a gotcha moment, a bad decision, but in context of the legislation he's made, the community work he's done, the speeches and outreach he's made, it's not significant for me.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:50 PM
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10. If you watch the full unedited video, you obviously see Obama handled it well
If you want to use an edited video of an obviously Fox News fed Republican person who insists on asking stupid questions and have obviously hasn't been paying attention...and use that to attack Obama, then you have your "answer".

Was he naive to answer her Repug talking points with some sense? I guess it depends on whether you want to undermine his candidacy with cheapshot points or not.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:56 PM
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15. I just asked a question- no attack here
You're free to state one way or the other, but quit making shit up. I asked, didn't tell. Sure, I think he may have been a little naiive or I wouldn't have brought it up. Isn't that an important thing in s presidential candidate? Negotiations with world leaders isn't a church prayer group, you know.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:51 PM
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11. He seemed assertive to me
Not flummoxed at all by the heckler.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:52 PM
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12. Ha!
I was wondering when the Edwards camp would get going on him now that he is the Iowa frontrunner.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:03 PM
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17. Edwards is as appealing as a leprechaun
And that was a deliberate bash.

:P

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:54 PM
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14. His answer was perfectly fine
He was passionate in his response. If you watch the full clip and not the edited one from MSNBC, you'll see that he wasn't yelling or "flustered."

And it's demeaning to continue to call her a "little old lady." She even said that Obama did a "good job." And she doesn't think any democrat is going to be tough enough on immigration or terrorism and isn't participating in the caucus anyways.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:16 PM
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18. If you listen to the clip with more content that was offered on Msnbc,
you MIGHT (or not) see things different. Judge for yourself.........
http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/19/obama-takes-the-tough-questions/
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:24 PM
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19. Yep.....Obama is sooo naive, that he was of the few who didn't
naively believe George Bush's justification for the dumb Iraq war....while just about everyone else running did. What a push-over that guy has shown himself to be! :sarcasm:

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