Hillary 2nd largest recipient of health care industry contributions...

[elizm]

I only post this now as there have been several here who doubted this claim.

SiCKO: Hillary Clinton became the second largest recipient in the Senate of health care industry contributions.

"As she runs for re-election to the Senate from New York this year and lays the groundwork for a possible presidential bid in 2008, Mrs. Clinton is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers. Nationwide, she is the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry, trailing only Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership." Raymond Hernandez and Robert Pear, "Once an Enemy, Health Industry Warms to Clinton," New York Times, July 12, 2006.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

[flvegan]

1. Uh oh.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

2. I'll second that n/t

[babylonsister]

4. Third that.

:popcorn: :hide:

[wyldwolf]

3. ha ha. So who here has doubted it since you claim that's the only reason you're posting it?

[flvegan]

6. ha ha. So who here still supports her for it since you claim blah blah blah

[wyldwolf]

8. you're the one who made the assertion. Surely you have some examples

[flvegan]

9. Which assertion did I make?

Don't be so knee jerk. We know where your love is.

[wyldwolf]

11. "there have been several here who doubted this claim. " So, who?

Don't be so knee jerk. We know where your love is.

[flvegan]

13. Uhhh...okay

Pathetic shines like a landing strip, I guess.

[wyldwolf]

18. so you can't name anyone here who doubted this claim or link to any threads? Talk about pathetic!

:rofl:

You were dishonest about your intentions in posting your OP.

[flvegan]

19. My OP?

My "op" in this thread is:

ha ha. So who here still supports her for it since you claim blah blah blah

Soooo....?

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

59. I generally assume the person who replies to me is the one I've been addressing

[BOSSHOG]

5. Does that mean the health industry longs for change?

I'm still hoping General Clark enters the race, but is your post supposed to be a negative against Senator Clinton? If so, why?

Health industry warms to Clinton???? Because they see her as a harbinger for change??? For the better??

[elizm]

7. Read it for what it is. nt

[BOSSHOG]

12. No

I won't read it for (what you want me to think it is.) Obviously an important issue to you (and me) so I would like you to editorialize if you will about your post. Sell me on whatever notion you are trying to sell. She takes contributions from the health care industry. Good? Bad? Why?

[elizm]

15. You are comfortable with it....that is your right.

Others may not be so comfortable with it. Only one other Senator, a Republican, is more beholden to the health care industry. Maybe you like the system??? Oh....I see...you think she is trying to change it from within. Again, your right to believe whatever you want.

[BOSSHOG]

17. Great editorial

I'm sold. Lets start building the gallows.

[elizm]

20. Put this one under your pillow tonight...

Whatever you are comfortable with...

Charles N. Kahn III, a Republican who was executive vice president of the Health Insurance Association in 1993 and 1994, now works with the senator on some issues as president of the Federation of American Hospitals, a lobby for hospital companies like HCA and Tenet. He describes his battles with the first lady as “ancient history,” and he said health care executives were contributing to her now because “she is extremely knowledgeable about health care and has become a Congressional leader on the issue.”

Senator Clinton has received $150,600 in contributions from insurance and pharmaceutical companies, which she accused in 1993 of “price gouging” and “unconscionable profiteering.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html

[BOSSHOG]

23. But

you choose not to tell us what it means to you. You started the thread. Please share with us all the secret handshakes you obviously know about between Senator Clinton and the health industry. How am I supposed to make a meaningful decision on who to vote for when people in the know like you don't explain it to me. If you hate her, say so and tell me why I should hate her.

As I posted earlier, I'm still holding out for General Clark.

[elizm]

24. Where did I say I hated her? I said...

Read it for what it is....

In fact, during her 2000 Senate campaign, she sharply criticized her opponent, Rick A. Lazio, as being beholden to the pharmaceutical industry for taking donations from drugmakers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html

It's all there. I can't help you with your 'decision'. You will just have to read the FACTS and make that one on your own. If you are comfortable with it...Go for it.

[venable]

25. i'll tell you what it means

it means she is in bed with them, will do their bidding, and cares not a whit about UHC or patients' rights. you can't take this money and still pretend to be progressive on health care. care to argue that?

[BOSSHOG]

28. I'm not arguing at all

I read that she has taken contributions from an entity. Please convince me what will occur based on those contributions and your knowledge of her agenda. Could it be that those giving her money think she may have a plan that will not only be good for the common run of the mill Merkun, and them as well? I have no idea. I'm begging some poster to sway me not bray me. And lordy, surely to god, a Hillary detractor is no doubt backing a horse that will be much better for me to ride relative to me and my families health concerns.

Please General Clark, jump in the race.

[elizm]

29. Why do you rely on others to convince you?

Surely, you would prefer to be given the facts and then make the decision on your own. Maybe not.

[babylonsister]

31. "sway me not bray me."

There are some issues I have, too. ONE CANDIDATE, tell me, NCLB is a POS. I 'need' someone, and while we have so many willing and able candidates, none have reached the right pitch, yet.

[Kahuna]

49. Don't know about that. They supported bush and the repukes and

you know what happened after that. The minute shrub "took" office, healthcare skyrocketed. Cause and effect? I think so.

[gateley]

34. I don't think the Health Care (misnomer) industry is longing for a change, except

to maybe become more powerful.

[MrMickeysMom]

51. Yep... makes sense to me. It's ALL about holding on to the current power -

of "the sickness treatment" industry, which is V E R Y profitable for these reasons...

1) Health Care Administers/CEO's (for and not for profit, since they both profit)
2) Pharmaceutical Industries calling the shots on their profit
3) Cancer treatment emphasis only, not the prevention of lifestyle diseases
4) No universal health care and health programs
5) Bariatrics surgery! We reimburse for surgical solutions, not lifestyle changes!

I'm sure I've left something out, but as long as we have no campaign finance reform, this is the tune to which HRC and those like her DANCE !

[gateley]

58. OT -- Is that Mr. Mickey in your avatar? He looks like my beloved Spot. I'm

now Nero's mom. Servant.

If you haven't seen this, check it out: http://www.meankitty.com/gallery.htm

[MrMickeysMom]

60. No, but it looks like his "wicked mean" sister, Scoobie

That site is hilarious! Here's the boy...



(Don't be fooled by his innocent look, either!)

MMM

[gateley]

61. THAT'S an innocent look? Looks pretty shrewd to me!

But what a looker!

[waiting for hope]

64. Congrats on your DUzy gateley!

[Hieronymus]

40. No, they know that things will remain the same under Hillary ..

no universal health care if Hillary is elected.

[cuke]

10. Nurses, doctors and other health care workers love Hillary!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Because she will NOT be an agent of change. nt

[babylonsister]

38. Not really. Nice thought though. nt

[JTFrog]

48. Not. They have to raise money

for their own ads confronting Clinton on Health Care. Why would they have to do that if they were already giving her their money and she was giving them what they wanted?

On the other hand I haven't seen a single commercial from any of the big pharma or insurance industries attacking Clinton.

Go figure. :shrug:

[MrMickeysMom]

52. Not THIS one!

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

We're not listening to that song and dance. We know better.

Anyone who's been in the continuum of care for as many years as I knows the difference between what we have now and what we need from Universal Health Care, even a 2 tiered system, which offers EVERYONE coverage without becoming homeless over it.

[durrrty libby]

14. I'm in the health care industry and I donate to Hillary's campaign.

My co-workers do to. Woop dee do

[MannyGoldstein]

21. No Shit?

Really?

[emilyg]

36. Same here.

[babylonsister]

39. Then defend her instead of platitudes. Give it a go! nt

[durrrty libby]

47. Some people enjoy long talks with foliage, I'm not one of those people

[MrMickeysMom]

55. Would that be the Woop dee do potted plants?

I had a Woop dee do potted plant once. It died due to lack of circulating chlorophyll... Nothing was getting up to the leaves. It had a lot of sunshine up its arse, instead!

[durrrty libby]

57. Bully for you. Please do continue whatever it is you are ingesting.

It is working

[illinoisprogressive]

16. Open Secrets has the list of all the corporations who donated to candidates

[MannyGoldstein]

22. She's In Favor Of Health Care!

And against it costing too much!

[FREEWILL56]

26. To my knowledge she never laid claim to keeping costs down.

You can't keep costs down as long as it is through private insurance companies and hmos that are interested in reaping er raping big profits over good medicine practices. They don't coexist and can't as they are contradictory.
She is in favor of the Healthcare Industry and not so much the health care of Americans.

[elizm]

27. And the insurance and pharmaceutical companies??

Are they against it costing too much??

Senator Clinton has received $150,600 in contributions from insurance and pharmaceutical companies, which she accused in 1993 of “price gouging” and “unconscionable profiteering.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html

[MrMickeysMom]

54. Then, she better change her point of view on how it's acquired, hadn't she?

[blondie58]

30. yep, she was shown in Michael Moore's movie Sicko

it showed her at the start, as a young (and beautiful) first lady trying to help the problem with health care.

[elizm]

33. Yes, and then shown how she broke his heart taking money from lobbyist. nt

[blondie58]

35. yep, you're absolutely right, elizm

I didn't state that fact as there is waaay too much discord on this board already- so early in this election season and I thought that it was pretty obvious for the title of this post. That is why I do not support her, I feel that she is too big of a corporate candidate and has forgotten her start. We really need a candidate that will change the political landscape- and that is not with HC.

[liberalla]

43. "she is too big of a corporate candidate"

"I feel that she is too big of a corporate candidate and has forgotten her start. We really need a candidate that will change the political landscape- and that is not with HC."

I agree with you! Very well stated. Too many corporate connections for my comfort.

[ClarkUSA]

37. Clinton Beats All Democrats AND Republicans In Total Dollars Received By Lobbyists

TIn the oil and gas industry, Clinton is only beat by Guiliani and Romney in lobbyist donations received ($220,000). In terms of total lobbyist dollars
received, Hillary Clinton beats all Democrats and Republicans, at $567,000, well above John McCain, Chris Dodd, Romney, and Guiliani. Obama and
Edwards have taken fewer lobbyist dollars than even Joe Biden or Bill Richardson - an admirable fact for both their campaigns.

Here's the latest breakdown from OpenSecrets.org

Clinton
88% of her monies come from Individual Donations
1% of her money comes from PACs
56% of her PAC monies come from business groups (Approx $326k)
11% of her PAC monies come from labor

Obama

99% of his money comes from Individual Donations
PAC Money=<1% of his campaign <br>26% of his PAC monies come from business groups (only apprx $3k)
0% of his PAC monies come from labor
74% of his PAC monies come from single issue voters (only apprx $9k)

Edwards

99% of his money comes from Individual Donations
PAC Money=<1% of his campaign <br>4% of his PAC monies come rom business groups ($500)
52% from labor (6k)
44% from single issue (5k)

We need to change more than the letter at the bottom of the screen, we need to change the way Washington does business. That begins by cutting
out the lobbyists, and bringing in the people... I forgot to mention the SEC investigation that has opened up into a major Clinton backer InfoUSA, a
database company that donated $1 million dollars to the Clinton library in Arkansas. They also spent $900,000 flying the Clintons to various locations.
They also offered them access to an 80 foot yacht, and a condo in Hawaii.

Link: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/23/225/77659

"Lobbyists are people, too." ~ Hillary Clinton

[dkf]

41. Since Santorum is gone does that make her #1?

Hmm.

[snowbear]

42. Kind of creepy to share the honor with Santorum...

(Who is the guy on the left in this NY Times photo anyway? ..Anyone know? )

[liberalla]

44. "Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary"

Another thread related to HRC financial contributions,

Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary

[GreenTea]

45. Rick Santorum then Hillary, sounds right....corporate whores....sure she'd make

great changes in the health care industry, all those millions from them wouldn't sway her, right?

Who in the fuck believes that? Gullible moderate assholes? YES!!!

[Perry Logan]

50. Chill, y'all. The health care industry is trying to buy MERCY from Hillary.

It's not a very good political system, but that's is how the game is played. Big contributions tend to go to the leading candidate. And Hillary is the obvious leader.

[MrMickeysMom]

53. Yeah, if you define leadership as...

... more of the same type of coverage under a current private model. Effectively leaving out the 47 million who, because they have NO basic care or are severely under insured while paying premiums they can barely afford, end up in the most expensive part of the health care continuum- EMERGENT care.

This is no way to run a industrialized country's health care system. It's NOT EVEN a health care system.

And, she's lost any leadership therein. That's a pity. She used to know better before turning into a corporate candidate.

[Froward69]

56. Can everyone say MANDITORY

Health Insurance. thats what we will get with hillary... make no mistake. no single payer, More of the same. but MANDITORY!


uh no thanks.

[Renew Deal]

62. I wonder if anyone is going to bother pointing this out.

Of course she mandates everyone purchasing health insurance.

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Yes, and as we all know, we can fork over those premiums

...while making up our minds how HIGH our deductables would have to be... :o "Gee, honey, how much can we afford THIS month?"

HRC must be reaching farther and farther up her ass to find her point of view on health care. She used to know better.

[eridani]

65. From the fucking sociopathic assholes who turn down as many claims as possible right now

No fucking thank you.