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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:53 PM
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Edwards is IT. Here's my reasoning:
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 01:04 PM by Prefer
Edwards has the fewest reasons for voters not to like him, and the most reasons for voters to like him.

Edwards provides the moderates who where fooled by Bush with someone they can see as an acceptable alternative to express their displeasure of the direction Bush led us.

Folks, I live in North Atlanta. My co-worker is a a local, a conservative Christian who voted for Bush twice and reluctantly but finally accepted the realities of Bush after Katrina. He has expressed interest in Edwards. He has no interest in the Republican crop.

He would, however, never vote for Hillary or Obama. So I see them as the Ralph Naders of this election. If you want to guarantee defeat, then pay no attention to the marketability of your candidate to your opposition, and make sure that you are so ultra progressive that you alienate the majority.

I see Edwards as being the most Kucinich-like candidate who can actually win the support of the broadest piece of the electorate.

We need to quit going for a Hail Mary pass on every play, and instead slowly but surely move the ball down the grid 10 yards on every election. Nader was a Hail Mary and look at where that got us. The Repugs are always going to fund and steer us into someone who promises the pie in the sky overnight, but, in the end, guarantees our defeat.

Ok, that's what I think, go ahead and flame away. I am open to being swayed.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:55 PM
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1. Why Do You Hate Women Prefer?
(rolls eyes and drops Hillary supporter guise).....I'm with you Edwards is getting my vote down here in the Florida primary...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:56 PM
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2. Ewards is good
and I think he scares the hell out of the GOP, corporate news media and Wall Street.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:56 PM
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3. I think, if Clinton and Obama incinerate each other, it'll be Edwards who rises from their ashes.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:57 PM
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4. I've been leaning Edwards since the first time
he ran. I could see he wouldn't win the nomination then, so I voted for him in the primary to give him a better chance at being Kerry's running mate.
This time I vote for him to be the one on the top of the ticket.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:57 PM
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5. "Kucinich-like"? Just vote for Kucinich, he's the read deal. ...n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:59 PM
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6. The real deal
as far as being irrelevant goes yes
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:32 PM
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10. So tell me, who do you find relevant ? Edwards? Are you kidding me?
He not only voted “yes” to the IWR, he CO-SPONSORED it! Then the idiot admitted to never reading it! He’s a transparent joke.

To me, Edwards is just another politician who happened to be a senior advisor to a global investment firm trying to become the chief decider.

...We don’t need anymore of these corporate puppets make decisions for us.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:51 PM
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12. I need to hear more of the bad things about Edwards
So John Edwards is just another George Bush? He seems to talk a good game, but if he is going to do the opposite of what he talks about I'd like to know. Maybe I am being misled by something that looks good on the surface.
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katadin706 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:01 PM
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19. Voting Record
Here's a link that sums it up for me . . . from the "batcave"


http://thebatscave.blogspot.com/2007/11/john-edwards-too-inconsistent.html

Tuesday, November 6, 2007
John Edwards Too Inconsistent




Getting to this point in researching the backgrounds of all of the candidates, and what they say and do now, this candidate was one of the ones that I secretly hoped I would find to withstand the test. Sadly, and to my chagrin, John Edwards failed, and failed big.


While it may be that Edwards would probably do the most out of all the candidates to help the poor, one can not overlook Edwards' voting record in the Senate, and the impact that those votes had on us as a nation.


For instance, he voted to authorize the Patriot Act, use of force against Iraq, didn't vote at all to condemn the torture at Abu Gharib, and those three votes only touch upon the record.


Edwards presents himself as the champion of the American worker. But this is inconsistent with his voting twice in one day back in Nov. 1999 against raising the minimum wage, and almost to the day one year later, voting to normalize trade relations with China. Also not voting in workers' interest as late as 2003, he voted no on S. 3694, a bill designed to empower people to be able to sue if an unusual delay in service resulted in death or serious harm to a patient, called for insurers to have external reviews in denial of services claims, provide access to services from specialists that are outside of a person's network, and would bar insurers from denying service due to a person's genetic predisposition to certain diseases.


Voting in favor of the Bankruptcy Reform Act in 2000, one has to wonder if Edwards even read this weird hodgepodge law before he voted on it. The bill, Big Business' wet dream come true, makes it extremely hard to file bankruptcy, forces those that are broke to pay for credit classes, and somehow ties all of this into the production of meth. Hey, I didn't write the thing, Rep. George Gekas did. It's another one of those bills that makes one wonder who actually read it before voting for it.


Voted in favor of Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, the unfunded mandate slapped in the face of every state and proven to be an unmitigated failure.


These and other votes that John Edwards took suggest that he is willing to go along with the stronger voices in the pack in order to not make waves. This point is suggested even more strongly when one considers that Edwards missed many votes that are still impacting us today. That strikes me as very lawyerly. Vote against the interests of a certain segment of society, but then come out as their champion.


I didn't even bother with the fact that his campaign tried to stop the University Of North Carolina's newspaper, The Tar Heel, from reporting on the fact that Edwards has his campaign headquarters in Chapel Hill, a glamorous, ritzy area that caters to only the rich. They demanded that the University pull the story, remove a video report that aired on it's daily news show, and take the video off of YouTube, or else face the 'punishment' of not having any more access to Edwards or his campaign staff. This disturbs me more than any vote, his making money through his investment in a company that denied Katrina claims, even as he was claiming to be doing all he could to help the victims, because it is eerily similar to the censorship that permeates the current administration.


The other argument that people are making in favor of Edwards is that he'll do something about the environment. But, wouldn't that mean he'd have to give up his Cadillac SRX, SUV, and pickup truck?


The last item that I'll include here, and there are many that I haven't, is actually in the form of a question. This champion of the little guy, this worker of wonders for the poor has to answer this one question if he is to be believed. Why didn't he do anything at all to help the victims of AIDS in his home state of North Carolina? N.C. has one of the worst records in the country in following Part 2 of the Ryan White Act, which gives funding to under insured and uninsured AIDS victims, so they can receive life saving medicine. A virtual death sentence without this medicine, Edwards, despite repeated attempts by hospice providers, AIDS advocates, and health care workers, did absolutely nothing to help his own state get more funding for the victims of this disease, and in fact, refused to even answer queries about his silence. Was this a little bit of religious pontificating from Edwards? You know, God's wrath and all that? Kind of reminds one of a Republicrat. Play to the base, while also playing to the fanatical right.


This one is a no brainer to me, and so I'll break my analysis down as this: John Edwards is a lawyer first, a politician second, and blows the same way as the prevailing political winds. He can and has been bullied into voting with the right wingers, to the detriment of his constituents. He will say one thing, make promises, do feel good photo ops, but when it comes time to deliver, he'll do whatever makes him LOOK the best, hoping, like most lawyers do, that no one actually fact checks him. Gonna sue Me now John?


Like I said, I didn't really want to write this one. I wanted to believe in the place called Hope again. But hope is fleeting when we depend on the phonies and the fakes in the political arena, and Edwards is one of them. Batmanchester

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:11 PM
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24. Where's the sources ? Sounds like a pissed off Gravel supporter?
by virtue there's a Gravel for President link on the website :shrug:
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 07:00 PM
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27. Read his book "Four Trials" he has fought major corps. for the little guy.
He got rich doing it, but I think that is not a crime. I think he is sincere and real myself. His vote and co-sponsership of the war authorization act and his big house are two extremely troubling issues. The thing for me is i am Kucinich all the way on issues, but for progressives to be stuck with Bush/Cheney was a nightmare where a Chuck Hagel or McCain would have been less disgusting. I am afraid a Kucinich presidency would inflame the other side in much the same way, as would Hillary. To be so devided again, and they are SOOO much meaner and more dangerous. I mean look what happens when the right wing is pissed... assasinations, plane crashes, Impeachment, etc. I believe an Edwards Presidency, while not perfect stands a chance of making us all Americans again, and not Red and Blue Teams. He is very very good at dealing with corporate criminals and making them pay through the teeth. I think all Americans are ready for that.


An Edwards/Kucinich or Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson or Edwards/Dodd or Edwards/Biden...etc. would be fine with me and maybe palatable to the newly un-GOPed.
Imagine Kucinich as VP and THEN running as an incumbent...Imagine!

Just my 2 cents...
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:02 PM
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7. Again, too extreme
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 01:03 PM by Prefer
Dennis convinced me, when he made overtures to Ron Paul, that he wasn't capable of being realistic enough to be a winner. Dennis is another Hail Mary pass. All I want to do is keep getting to first down, guaranteed.
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katadin706 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:05 PM
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21. Get Over It
It's not as if even one of the other candidates has not made at least one political gaffe. He has said "it's not going to happen." That's enough for me. He's honest, he's reliable, he's courageous, he's dedicated, he's right about everything else. If he was wrongheaded for 10 minutes about Ron Paul, I can forgive that.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:05 PM
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8. Edwards has my vote.
He's the one for real change, and electable too.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:13 PM
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9. I agree with every post so far except about Kucinich being irrelevant,
he may not be able to win the candidacy but he keeps bring very real issues to the table
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:35 PM
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11. 100% agree...
...but whatda I know? I'm just a jealous Hillary-hater! :sarcasm:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:56 PM
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13. Considering Ron Paul for a running mate
and voting WITH republicans out of principle...just so he can say he didn't vote for war funding-he's irrelevant. Oh yea Triana yesterday in a Hillary thread I was called a "misogynistic male" whatever the fuck THAT means...to HRC supporters if you don't like her you're either a "women hater", or "a hater" or being swayed by the MSM-never considering that maybe some of us don't like her politics...
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:12 PM
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14. I hope the party nominates a progressive like Edwards. Hillary is awful, and Obama is an ideological
compromise. Edwards had an agenda we ought to rally behind.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:18 PM
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15. I'll happily flame your bullshit claim that Obama
and Clinton are the Naders of the upcoming election year. You so richly deserve it.

First of all, if either Clinton or Obama gets the nom, they can't by any stretch of even a feeble imagination be designated as spoilers. Secondly, they are both electable, and the bullshit meme that Edwards followers love to spout has no foundation in fact.

Your "analysis" is beyond lame. The repuke party is in disarray. That's not opinion. I suggest you educate yourself by reading the extensive Pew report that was issued last month that details the sharp drop in registered republicans, the growth of the dem party and the growing identification with dems on the part of independents. Add to that, the deeply flawed repuke candidates, and lack of enthusiasm that the rank and file feel toward them, and ANY dem has an advantage over any of the repukes, going in.

Your post is such a hodgepode and so full of confusion, and leans so heavily on electability as the main selling point, that even if I had decided on a candidate, I wouldn't be interested in trying to sway you.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:20 PM
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16. "Edwards has the fewest reasons for voters not to like him, and the most reasons for voters to like"
Can you explain why you think this, and please use examples(including his Senate record)?

I like him, but I'm having a really hard time with how he performed when he actually could vote on things that mattered.
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katadin706 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:06 PM
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22. Yeah, Except for his Actual Voting Record
He's all talk, no walk.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:37 PM
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17. I'm going to keep saying this. I'll just cut and paste, so my fingers don't start to bleed.
Edwards is a criminal. He voted for this war in Iraq. This illegal war. These deaths are on his hands. My 10-year highschool reunion was this year. I couldn't go, but there was a webpage about it, including a special memorial for a man in my class, a father and husband, who died in Iraq. That is Edwards' fault. How could you?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:52 PM
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28. Keep saying it.
It still sounds ludicrous.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Why lay it on Edwards?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:39 PM
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18. I'm "ultra-progressive", and I'm solidly behind Edwards.
Sorry to upset your equation.

:hi:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:12 PM
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25. Me too bobbolink
I'm as left as they come, and decided that Edwards will get my vote!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:04 PM
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20. I like Edwards
but Obama has Oprah. The race is over :)
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:04 PM
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23. "Edwards has the fewest reasons for voters not to like him"
Here's a few.

Senate record

Hedge funds

Shameless Panderer

Public Financing

A General Lack of Integrity
(Even the Kuch says so.)

All of these discussed many times before. And likely will be discussed many times again.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:14 PM
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26. Welcome to DU
I have relatives in the south, most are moderate conservatives. They HATE the current lineup of rupukes, and have expressed interest in Edwards.

Edwards 2008!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:05 AM
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29. Welcome to DU Prefer-
I'm an Edwards Supporter too! Glad to have you in the fold.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:11 AM
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30. Thanks for posting this.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:13 AM
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31. I do not like him. \nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:39 PM
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32. Solid Kucinich supporter here,
but I will consider supporting Edwards as a compromise candidate.
There are some problems with his history, but at least he is saying the right things.
I will take a chance with Edwards.
I won't be voting for anyone to the Right of Edwards. Period.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:00 PM
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33. Kick for those who want an explanation of what's wonderful about Edwards
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