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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:07 AM
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Attacking Obama for drug use as a teen is beyond the pale. Attacking Clinton for Mena Airport
is as well. I'm not talking about what the campaigns are doing. I'm strictly talking about what posters here are doing. Clinton's campaign, in my book, deserves all the scorn heaped upon it for going there in regard to Obama's drug use/experimentation as a teen, but that's another story.

Talking about how Obama's drug use was felonious (ever here of the statute of limitations?) or insinuating that he was a drug dealer, is really low. And so is the right wing bullshti about the Clintons and Mena Airport. There is NO objective reporting connecting Bill Clinton to what went on at Mena Airport. It all comes from right wing funded dirt projects. That people are slinging it around is no less reprehensible than the Obama drug use crap.

We shouldn't be going there.. or there.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:31 AM
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1. You are absolutely correct on both counts...
Insofar as drugs go, almost everyone from that generation at least tried drugs. It was part of the counterculture of that time. If they didn't personally indulge, then they knew one or more close friends who did. Those were watershed years and they did have some positive results.

Until Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and Dim Son got involved, the counterculture managed to get some laws passed giving us all a form of open government. Much has been shut down. Oh yeah, the kids of that time also stopped an illegal war.

If this stuff is being tossed around at this late date, I do hope it is being done by low-level volunteers who choose to leak same to eager reporters.

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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:38 AM
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2. May the best man or woman win. I have a problem with Bill
associating with a criminal family like the Bushes after he left office. If I knew someone who had lied to send people to die, sat still while 3,000 people roasted, released the name of a secret agent, let thousands suffer and die from a flood because he refused to send help in time, let people be tortured and then deny torture I would not make friends with him.
My better judgment, as anyone with two brain cells to rub together usually has, would prevent me from doing so.
The prick in the White House is an unethical and evil liar. Why would any human being with a conscience associate with someone like that? :dem:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:42 AM
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3. Right, because BO using coke would never
be brought up in the general by republicans.
Hands off Saint Obama!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:09 PM
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16. You mean that IranContra coke Bush1 dumped by the tons in black communities
all over the country in the 80s and 90s?

Why WOULDN'T Democrats WANT that debate? It would be a great opportunity to demand those books be opened, as they should have been in the 90s - there would have been NO Bush2. NO 9-11. No Iraq war.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:44 AM
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4. i'm waiting for the questions such as...
"Well, Obama needs to explain himself. Did bust a cap in some punk Blood's ass?"

"Did Obama also like to freebase and mainline, as well as snort?"
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:46 AM
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5. well, we've already had "did he sell drugs?"
So I wouldn't be surprised if we got to the freebase and gang insinuations.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:47 AM
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6. No DUer says Clinton ran drugs out of Mena - it is CERTAIN that Poppy Bush did
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 09:48 AM by blm
and a president would have enlisted a governor to look the other way and keep his people OUT OF THE WAY of those covert operations being run through that state.

The RW has it wrong in their focus on Clinton for POPPY BUSH'S illegal operations, but why take the tact of dismissing the entire story and its place in the historic record, just because the RW lied about it?

Webb's 1996 report on CIA drugrunning was proven through CIA documents obtained by court order in 1998.

Why pretend Mena didn't happen at all? Why not just get the FACTS straight?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:50 AM
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7. oh please.
you haven't proven anything- let alone a credible link demonstating that Clinton was complicit. Virtually everything about this story comes from extremist sites and sources.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:51 AM
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8. Was Poppy running drugs out of Mena Airport in the 80s? Yes or No.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:04 AM by blm
And Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Gary Webb's findings WERE substantiated, cali. Sorry those facts escaped your keen observation of the 90s.

wikipedia has plenty of links to reports you can access:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

>>>>>
Senator John Kerry's 1988 U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report on Contra drug links, which was released on April 13, 1989, concluded that "senior U.S. policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems."<34> The Kerry Committee report further stated that members of the U.S. State Department "who provided support for the Contras were involved in drug trafficking...and elements of the Contras themselves knowingly received financial and material assistance from drug traffickers."<35> Kerry was suspicious of North's connection with Manuel Noriega, Panama's drug baron. According to the National Security Archive, Oliver North had been in contact with Noriega and had met him personally.

The report went on to say that "the Contra drug links included...payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies." Houses of the Congress began to raise questions about the drug-related allegations associated with the Contras, causing a review in the spring of 1986 of the allegations by the State Department, in conjunction with the Justice Department and relevant U.S. intelligence agencies.<36>

Former DEA agent Celerino Castillo alleged that Ilopango Airport in El Salvador was used by Contras for drug trafficking, with full knowledge of the CIA. He further alleged that his investigations were hindered by US government agencies. These allegations were part of an investigation by the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, which however did not find substantial evidence to support Castillo's allegations.<37> Castillo also testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on the same allegations.<38>

The allegations resurfaced in 1996 when journalist Gary Webb published reports in the San Jose Mercury News,<39> and later in his book Dark Alliance,<40> detailing how Contras had distributed crack cocaine into Los Angeles to fund weapons purchases. These reports were initially attacked by various other newspapers, which attempted to debunk the link, citing official reports that apparently cleared the CIA.

The Wall Street Journal reported on January 29, 1997 <41> on activities at the Mena, Arkansas airport allegedly involved then-governor Bill Clinton in a coverup of illegal drug-trading activity. The Wall Street Journal article goes on to state:

At the center of the web of speculation spun around Mena are a few undisputed facts: One of the most successful drug informants in U.S. history, smuggler Barry Seal, based his air operation at Mena. At the height of his career he was importing as much as 1,000 pounds of cocaine per month, and had a personal fortune estimated at more than $50 million. After becoming an informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration, he worked at least once with the CIA, in a Sandinista drug sting. He was gunned down by Colombian hit men in Baton Rouge, La., in 1986; eight months later, one of his planes—with an Arkansas pilot at the wheel and Eugene Hasenfus in the cargo bay—was shot down over Nicaragua with a load of Contra supplies.

In 1998, CIA Inspector General Frederick Hitz published a two-volume report<42> that substantiated many of Webb's claims, and described how 50 contras and contra-related entities involved in the drug trade had been protected from law enforcement activity by the Reagan-Bush administration, and documented a cover-up of evidence relating to these activities. The report also showed that Oliver North and the NSC were aware of these activities. A report later that same year by the Justice Department Inspector General Michael Bromwich also came to similar conclusions.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:56 AM
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10. It also comes from a book written by Michael Levine
a 25 year veteran of the DEA called "The Big White Lie".
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:57 AM
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13. Even if you ignore the drug dealing that the CIA agreed
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:59 AM by karynnj
happened, you are left with the gun running that is completely in the record as part of Iran/Contra. The Boland amendment forbade the Reagan administration from arming the Contras. Many people, including Democrats, such as the Clintons, bought the Reagan line that the Contras were freedom fighters. They ignored that they were guilty of massacres and killed Jesuit Priests in Central America on social justice projects.

That said, as BLM said, this was a Reagan/Bush/CIA project. The worst that Bill Clinton and HRC could be accused of is turning their heads and not having the courage to stand against a government that was doing something wrong .. and against its own laws. No one is required to be a hero - being a hero is special because it involves doing things that the majority of people would not put themselves at risk to do. In the 1980s, challenging a popular President on foreign policy that he was spinning as fighting for freedom would risk ending your political career. (It was also easier to do, as they did, for VT or MA Senators.) Bill and Hillary Clinton are NOT heroes.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:58 PM
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15. Bill is also on record as being FOR Reagan-Bush's Contra policies, so he was no fan
of the prosecution of IranContra crimes in the first place. He was also a critic of the Independent Counsel for IranContra crimes, Lawrence Walsh.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:52 AM
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9. True. It seems the facts are something the American people
no longer need. Facts get in the way when you are unethical. :dem:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:27 AM
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12. And the drugrunning has CONTINUED stronger than ever under Bush2.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/12/19210/608/933/420107

CIA plane crashed last Sept 24 with 6 TONS of cocaine.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:07 AM
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11. Does she not see irony of being the wife of a presidential candidate
who admits to trying pot?

:headbang:
rocknation
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:44 AM
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14. That's the LEAST of it. It was OK for Bill to look the other way when Poppy BUSH
was dumping TONS of cheap IranContra cocaine into black communities throughout the 80s and 90s, but it was apparently NOT OK for a black teenager to have tried a few grams of it.
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