Hillary personally apologizes to Obama...

[SaveElmer]

For comments she neither made nor authorized...

http://thepage.time.com/2007/12/13/another-political-apology/

[maddiejoan]

1. Maybe he'll stop crying --

--now that Mommy has kissed his booboo.

[PresidentObama]

4. I don't remember him ever "crying"

Obama has handled himself quite well.

Now the media. They've had fun with this story.

[maddiejoan]

10. I disagree

I think he's handled himself like a child.

That's WHY the media is having fun with the story.

[PresidentObama]

17. How so? That's total bullshit.

The media is having fun because Hillary has become so desperate her campaign is going on attack mode with anything they can get because they know where it counts, they're losing and failing.

How Obama acted like a child when Clinton campaign officials were trying to raise questions about drug use when he was a TEENAGER is beyond me. He handled himself well.

Hillary looks like Bush did in 2004 when he was trying to say he had nothing to do with the Swift Boat For Truth advertisements. Yeah sure, we believe you...

:sarcasm:

Hey Clinton campaign, got desperation?

GOBAMA! :applause:

[Andy823]

25. Good comment

I too think the "Hillary" camp is desperate, and it sure shows in the last few weeks with all of their "childish" tactics.

[maddiejoan]

44. A low level campaign official

raised questions about how the Republicans might come at Obama for his admitted drug use.

Obama, rather than addressing the issue, shoots the messenger.

Got news for ya --The Republicans will ask every single one of those questions about Obama AND WORSE.

If he gets the nomination I sure hope he has something better than :

"Mommy they are picking on me"

[PresidentObama]

53. I guess you wanted him to ignore silly attacks?

I guess he was crying when Hillary desperately attacked him on a kiddy essay, too?

Your response is lame.

[maddiejoan]

59. There are strong responses

-- and there are weak responses.


"I stand by my words and experiences and assure Mr. Shaheen that I am able to stand up to any questions Republicans might throw my way"

is a strong response.

Obama, by deflecting, all his energy into claiming he was being attacked and that this shows how desperate Hillary must be -- is not only making an attack while claiming victimhood. It makes him look weak.

[Tactical Progressive]

69. Making attacks while claiming victimhood

You've just distilled the Obama campaign's central tactic.

Well said.

[mtnsnake]

78. You nailed it. nt

[JackORoses]

87. he is the Co-Chair for the state of NH, that's a little more than low-level

[maddiejoan]

98. "The" Co-chair?

He is "a" co-chair.

[JackORoses]

100. so is he low level then? just some walk-in volunteer I suppose.

[maddiejoan]

103. yeah

I bet Shaheen has Hillary's direct instructions for every move he makes.

:sarcasm:

[Cha]

6. Obama doesn't "cry" but

you spread lies.

[maddiejoan]

8. Name a lie I've told.

One will do, but have at it.

If you're going to accuse me of something you better have something to back that up.

[jenmito]

16. You just said he was crying about this whole thing. That's a lie...

He was showing he won't take attacks without hitting back. So when he fights back he's called a crybaby? And if he said nothing he'd be called "soft."

[maddiejoan]

35. It's not a lie

It's a metaphor.

I don't think he actually shed tears.

I wasn't aware that sharing my perceptions of Obama constituted lying.

How like your candidate you are.

[jenmito]

43. I know it's a metaphor. He did nothing LIKE crying. He didn't whine. He didn't say people were

ganging up on him. He didn't have his wife come out and say the big, bad Clinton campaign was being tough on her. All he did was say, correctly, that it's a sign of desperation.

[maddiejoan]

50. He's got a whole web page

called "Hillaryattacks"

sheeeesh.

[Cha]

18. "Obama's crying" ...that's

a lie. At least hillary had the class to "apologize"..no class from you, guarantee.

[maddiejoan]

39. I call'em as I see'em

But I guess disagreeing with you is the same as lying.

okie doke.

[Cha]

80. Oh yeah, you

lie.

[JackORoses]

90. was Hillary 'crying' when Bill said that the Boys were picking on her?

[maddiejoan]

96. No.

Bill was crying.

[Tactical Progressive]

21. Ever notice how the nastiest smear artists, like Obama

are always the biggest babies?

Obama's entire campaign has been smearing Democrats and the Democratic party. Often if not usually with lies.

But when someone tells the truth about him, it's not fair.

And this is the weakling some Democrats want to go against the Republicans with?

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Examples of Obama smearing Democrats with lies?

Put up or shut up.

[Tactical Progressive]

30. You mean like

Hillary doesn't have any experience?

Or that Hillary is attacking his kindergarten record? Actually, that probably counts more as whining.

Or like inferring that Democrats are cowards who can't be trusted - paraphrase 'How are they going to trust us in the fight against terrorism when we can't even stand up against Republicans?' Obama will slime the entire Democratic party for a step up for himself.

Or maybe right-wing talking points like Hillary as a power-hungry bitch with his 'I haven't been coveting the Presidency forever.'? (He's so subtle.) Which, btw, was also a major lie, but worth it to get the smear out.

Or his constant insinuation that Hillary is dishonest, when the only one throwing dishonesty around like no Dem I've ever seen, is Obama?

Or perhaps we're talking about taking Robert Novak's slime and throwing it at Hillary to make it seem like she's the smearer, when all along it was Barack?


Those kind of examples?

[Joe the Revelator]

34. Weak Sauce

You'd been better off just admiting that you were talking without thinking and had no examples on the level at which Hilliary has lowered herself to.

[Tactical Progressive]

45. Except that

Hillary didn't lower herself by saying anything, even by proxy if you believe that, that wasn't the truth.

Obama, by comparison, lies and smears. You might think Obama's lying smears are no big deal, but then what else would you think?

Obama has been a smear merchant since he started out. I still remember the first two debates where Hillary was attacking Republicans, and all Obama could do was attack Hillary and Democrats. It's been his whole campaign.

I'm sorry that Hillary's campaign is hitting back with the truth.

[DURHAM D]

51. Don't forgot the repeated attempts by a top Obama staffer to

plant a story about Bill's sexual activities post White House years.

[Tactical Progressive]

55. Oh, come on. That's not a smear!

That's just good wholesome politics by Obama, the 'high-road' guy with the 'new politics' who "doesn't want to fight the battles of '90's all over again". LOL!

[DURHAM D]

62. Sorry - I forgot that Obama can do no wrong.

His Oprah orchestrated "cult of personality" must be viewed only from a marketing and branding perspective - not for character.

[maddiejoan]

47. Examples

Hillary is desperate

Hillary's campaign must be struggling

Hillary is attacking me

Hillary is like Bush/Giulinai/etc etc

[Joe the Revelator]

61. Yes, those are surely on par with implying someone is a drug dealer.

You guys have nothing on this one, and its disgusting that you can't call a spade a spade.

[maddiejoan]

70. Nobody implied he was a drug dealer

Shaheen in an interview (and god knows what question he answered as we don't have a transcript) raised the point of Obama's electability in the face of the type of questions Republicans will ask about his own admitted use of cocaine.

The GOP attack machine will ask those questions. Do you doubt that? They'll ask way worse questions too.

Obama has shown his only answer to attacks is "Stop attacking me"

That's not gonna be enough.

[mtnsnake]

86. maddiejoan

Do you agree that it's like a full time job countering all the myths, lies, innuendo, spin, twisted words, and misleading information posted on this site 24/7 about Hillary Clinton?

[maddiejoan]

94. Yep.

I should switch to Obama or Edwards just so I could relax.


All Hillary seems to do is make a truthful observation about a candidate that winds up in a slanted hit piece on her and it's OMG!! Hillary is desperate! She's attacking!!


God only knows how they'd handle a real attack. Even the suggestion of how Republicans might choose to attack Obama is immediately decried as the most obscene form of racism imaginable.

[Captain Hilts]

48. His repeating the RNC slur that "the Clintons have had a 20 year plan for the White House." nt

[Cha]

26. I notice hillary and her

supporters can dish it out but can't take it.

[Tactical Progressive]

37. It's called dishing it >back<

and you don't seem to be taking it as well as you've been dishing it from the start.

[DURHAM D]

54. Amen - a bully never can handle the turn around. n/t

[maddiejoan]

97. an apt description of Obama

thank you.

[Cha]

85. I take it just fine...but I do

notice hillary's supporters have trouble in that area. They can smear and smear and smear but when it comes to facts about hillary then everyone's a "hillary hater".

[dionysus]

36. you're just flinging poo like a monkey at the zoo man.

it's fun to watch the desperation take over.

[maddiejoan]

40. If Obama wins the nomination

It's gonna be President Romney for the next 4 years.

Guarantee it.

[Tactical Progressive]

102. That could well be

but even if it isn't; even if Obama were to win, and I agree that will be tough, he'll get be swamped in office.

He really is a complete newbie, and some people seem to think that's just another generic attribute, like blue eyes or brown, tall or short, gives a good speech or not. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and if Obama were to somehow con enough people into voting for New Coke, just because it's 'New', it will take Republicans virtually no time at all to reconstitute themselves and drag him down.

Obama's, charisma range will shrink and shrink and shrink, and I don't think it starts out much past relatively young people to begin with.

What this country needs, so badly now, is the tough Clinton, Hillary, along with a Democratic Congress, battle tested and pissed off at Republicans, with fifteen years of their shit against the Clintons and Gore staring Dems in the face.

This is the time for smart, hard politics from the most experienced Democrats in the world to push Republicans back. Not some empty 'I'm the change guy' newbie whose only play seems to be smearing Democrats and then playing the victim, who doesn't want to be refighting the battles of the nineties. Those battles are going to be refaught and won.

[maddiejoan]

105. I'll go even further

We don't even need Bill right now.

We need Hill.

I say slip off the leash and let her rip into the Republicans throats for the next 8 years.

[enough already]

23. Maybe Hillary and her lackeys will stop acting like assholes

Or, maybe not.

[Tactical Progressive]

57. If I had to describe Obama and his supporter's actions

throughout this campaign, that would be it exactly.

Too bad they don't like it when people finally hit back.

[beachmom]

52. The only one who should be crying is Hillary Clinton for her campaign's

major gaffes and collapse of decency.

[maddiejoan]

77. Yeah that is pretty much --

-- The distorted attack that Obama is making on Hillary.

You follow your master well.

[beachmom]

84. LOL. I'll vote for Obama, but I'm not a major supporter. This story

tells me a hell of a lot more about the Clinton campaign, than it does about Obama.

[maddiejoan]

95. okay, Sport

whatever floats your boat.

[mtnsnake]

76. I only hope you're right, maddie, because it's getting to be contageous

Not only are Obama and some of his supporters crying all the time, but now the Edwards supporters, or at least one of them anyway, has caught the whine fever as evidenced here in this exchange. lol

[Franc_Lee]

108. Bill Clinton will be the one who will be crying when Hillary loses,

[undercoverduer]

2. If she is serious she will fire Shaheen just like she did the low level volunteers. . .

. . .unless of course it came from on high.

[oasis]

5. Why doesn't she just dismantle the whole NH operation just to make sure

there are no more hurt feelings?

[Cha]

28. At least hillary had

the class to apologize for a stupid asshole move on the part of billy big mouth shaheen.

[oasis]

31. Shaheen's comments were pretty dumb but it would be dumb on Hillary's part

to fire the top hand in NH just before the primaries in that state.

[Tactical Progressive]

63. Yes, Hillary does have class.

Thank you zidzi.

If only the Obama campaign had respected that and acted accordingly throughout the campaign.

[Cha]

93. If only the hillary/markpenn/billyshaheen

campaign had respected Obama's years from kindergarten to his teen years.

[Tactical Progressive]

109. Respected Obama's kindergarten years

Do you ever even stop to listen to yourself? You actually believe that Hillary attacked, or even just disrespected, kindergartener Obama. This is an actual thought in your head. Unreal.

For the record, that episode was about Obama smearing Hillary, and lying to do it.

Lie, smear and play victim. Obama doesn't even deserve to be in the primary with his dishonesty and whining. What an incredible disappointment he has already turned out to be.

[Cha]

113. Do you listen to yourself?

I imagine you do and are just fine with it.

[CyberPieHole]

74. you can't fire a "volunteer" since they are not "hired" in the first place...n/t

[BeyondGeography]

3. And Blly Shaheen still runs NH?

[zulchzulu]

7. That was good to get out of the way before the debate this afternoon

Will she fire Sheehan though? That's what a legitimate campaign would do to fully back their words with deeds...

[Bullet1987]

11. I agree lol...

but I doubt it would have been brought up anyway because the format doesn't allow it. And you KNOW Clinton wouldn't have brought it up...and Obama does his best to avoid heated arguments.

[BeyondGeography]

14. They were floating this as a talking point before Shaheen supposedly went over the line

Very hard not to conclude she endorsed raising Obama's statements about drug use as a tactic, if not the way it was executed. Either that or she as no control of her people. We were talking about this before the Shaheen quotes were reported:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/11/as-iowa-nears-clinton-al_n_76235.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3822404

[Cha]

29. Isn't shaheen= New Hamphire?

If he's not fired then I doubt he can keep his vicious mouth shut..she'll just have to keep a major eye on him until they get out of NH.

[DURHAM D]

64. In that case shouldn't Obama fire Oprah (his image handler)

for bringing McSinger on board?

[Lucinda]

9. Is the error message supposed to be happening?

:( If so, it's not funny to me.

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[Ishoutandscream2]

12. Obama and Clinton supporters, can we stop bickering?

This is a good move by Hillary, in my opinion. And I'm not a supporter of either one. But this was what needed to be done, and Senator Clinton took the high road. Good on her.

[Cameron27]

13. Good for Clinton,

I didn't think she owed him an apology in the first place, but I'm glad she did it anyway.

[jenmito]

19. She owed him an apology unless she fired Shaheen. She didn't fire Shaheen so she had to take

responsibility. Good thing she did it before the debate.

[Cameron27]

32. No she didn't

but you're welcome to your opinion.

[jenmito]

41. Well, she obviously felt she did as witnessed by her apology today-before the debate.

Unless you think she would've apologized if there wasn't a debate today/in the near future.

[Cameron27]

56. She apologized to take the weight of Obama's

complaining off her back before the debate. Look, just because Obama put out the cocaine issue himself, doesn't mean he's immune from being questioned about it. Shaheen was talking about electability, and the fact that Obama hasn't been throroughly vetted yet. He was using it in the context of what the GOP will use against him.

[question everything]

15. It will help if you copy and paste

the main point(s), instead of sending us to a link that, at least on my computer, is still "loading." Correction - it says 500 Error.

Several weeks ago we had a thread that suggested that poster should actually cut and paste a few paragraphs instead of just providing a link.

Thanks.

[Peregrine Took]

20. Call me cynical but I see a "good cop" "bad cop" scenario. They wanted it

out there but didn't want her to bring it up - then she gets to apologize and take the "sting"out of it.

[enough already]

24. Exactly

Classic Hillary, trying to have it both ways.

[Bullet1987]

27. This could still hurt them though regardless...

[Cha]

33. Yeah, like...

"Who are these people you hire for your campaign?" "Do you know what kind of people you need to do the job the right way?"

[DrFunkenstein]

38. I Thought This Was "The Fun Part"

It wasn't like she didn't announce that these things were coming.

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Was Shaheen's interviewer an Obama plant?

What exactly was the question Shaheen was tricked into answering?
Was the reason this hit the MSM so quickly because they were tipped off it would be coming?
(man... the more I read ObamaNation posts, the more I start thinking like they do...)

[Captain Hilts]

46. Kudos to the senator. nt

[beachmom]

49. Sorry, but your spinning of this story is pathetic. A co-chairman for

her national and NH campaign is somehow NOT related directly to Hillary Clinton? Please. They did this awful smear. This was someone in the Hillary operation, and you're pulling a "Hillary is a victim" card? The truth was they did this smear, it backfired, and now she has been forced to apologize to save her political hide.

You also haven't figured out HOW MUCH this has pissed off African Americans. That Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry admitted to illegal drug use, and that the rumors were flying about Bush using cocaine, yet only the black guy gets accused of "dealing drugs" by someone in the Hillary campaign (oh, with the Fox News question mark). Total bullshit, and it's going to amount to black flight from Hillary, I guarantee you.

Perhaps it is best to stick to the banal Hillary-is-inevitable poll posts, instead of insulting our intelligence with your "Hillary is innocent" meme, which is a TOTAL LIE.

[Cameron27]

58. How was it a smear?

I said it upthread. Just because Obama put the issue out himself, doesn't mean he's immune from questions about it. That's what Shaheen was talking about in the interview, electability and some of the things the GOP will attack him on.

[maddiejoan]

65. Obamanation doesn't understand

Shaheen's comment wasn't a smear on Obama

The article on Shaheen's comment was a smear against Hillary.

[beachmom]

79. So a direct quote is a smear on Shaheen? I love the way you guys

can't handle the facts. He said it, and now you're acting like he's some kind of Rove plant torpedoeing the Hillary campaign, when SHE PICKED HIM to be a co-chair.

Let's see, what if the Gephardt campaign said this:

The Right Wing might smear Kerry. They'll say things like: did Kerry REALLY earn his medals? Did he actually shoot somebody in the back? Is he actually a Communist?


Fox News question marks are the ultimate smear. It's called concern trolling, and it is despicable.

[maddiejoan]

88. It's an out of context quote

and we don't even know the question Shaheen was answering.

We don't even know how big or small a part of the interview it was.

The article shapes Shaheen's quote as if Hillary herself gave a presser on this subject.

The whole framing of the article is a smear piece on Hillary.

[beachmom]

68. It is a smear because he insinuated that Obama dealt drugs!!!!

That was not in his book, it was a TOTAL SMEAR. A LIE with NO EVIDENCE to support it. And, of course, it was in the form of a Fox News question:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/us/politics/13clinton.html?ex=1355202000&en=7a95a55f598c9265&ei=5088&partner=msnbcpolitics&emc=rss

According to The Post’s Web site, Mr. Shaheen said, “It’ll be: ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?’ There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It’s hard to overcome.”

The fact that it is a racist remark does not come from Obama or even myself. It comes from AA talk radio, and the AA community itself. So the white guys aren't dealing but maybe the black guy is?

[Cameron27]

71. Those were the questions he said the GOP

would ask Obama in the primary. It was a felony, and if Obama had been caught, he would've been offically asked those questions.

[beachmom]

81. Concern trolling. With Fox News question marks. And the accusation

was that Obama dealt drugs, a bald faced lie.

[Cameron27]

99. Oh baloney,

using the candidates own words against them is politics, and it doesn't even come close to the dirtiness of the 04 campaign.

*Osama bin Laden video*

[SaveElmer]

66. Grow up...

You wounded routine is childish...

As you know there are literally dozens of co-chairmen for all of the campaigns. As the owner of a business I know you cannot personally control the statements of everyone that works for you at all times...

I find it very interesting that the Obamatons here are certainly quick to absolve Obama of any culpability whenever one of his minions makes a similar boneheaded move...

Your transparency makes your self-righteous indigntaion take on the character of a childish temper tantrum...

[beachmom]

75. Your candidate is the one who needs to grow up and take responsiblity

for her campaign. SHE is responsible for what her co-chairman says.

This is a glimpse of a Hillary presidency. So if one department does something embarrassing, she'll just play victim, huh? I would say running an administration is like running a business, and sorry, the buck stops with the president. If she won't take responsiblity for her campaign, then she is not worthy of anyone's vote. Haven't we had enough of presidents who won't admit mistakes, won't be upfront when they've done something wrong, and refuse to take responsibility for the actions their administration takes when it proves a political liability?

[SaveElmer]

91. That is truly rich...

Coming from a supporter of Barack "It's my staff's fault I flip flopped on gun control" Obama...

Your transparent indignation simply confirms my point...she apologized to Obama persoanlly, Mr. Sheehan apologized...and as far as I know Obama has accepted that apology...

So your continued caterwauling is just confirmation that to Obamatons this is just another political opportunity and your fake outrage just confirms it...

[MethuenProgressive]

60. Apologizes "For comments she neither made nor authorized..."

Well said.
I'm stealing that line...

[Diane R]

67. Fake apology to stop the damage. She was behind it in the first place.

[Cameron27]

72. Prove it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

73. Good luck with that request!

[beachmom]

92. LOL. Her co-chair (national and NH) said it. That is in her operation.

SHE is responsible for her campaign, okay? That is all the proof that is needed.

[Cameron27]

101. No, that's not proof that she was behind this.

[ecstatic]

82. Doesn't that just bring more attention to the smear? nt

[JackORoses]

83. this is just like Larry Craig pleading Guilty for something he "didn't do"

[mtnsnake]

89. K&R

[Bullet1987]

104. How do you apologists know she DIDN'T have anything to do with it?

That's the better question.

[Cameron27]

107. Presumption of innocence,

until proven guilty.

[Tellurian]

110. All Hillary has to do is follow Bill's sense of dealing with her rivals..

during this debate. You know coming into the debate, Obama and Edwards are going to be flying higher than a kite because they think they've got her cornered.. Smile broadly when you zing em'! (imo)

[mtnsnake]

112. Her word against ObamaNation's. That's how

I don't have to think twice about who I'd believe, after seeing the continuous onlslaught of lies, innuendon, and distortions spewn about Hillary on this forum everyday. I believe the Goddess of Peace. Case closed.

[David Zephyr]

106. Happy to see this.

.

[Beausoir]

111. Both of them are going to have to toughen up if they expect to win the GE.

This is patty-cake compared to what Obama will face in the GE. He's going to have to get a tougher hide.

And Clinton won't go anywhere in the GE apologizing for every harsh attack.