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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:05 PM
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Another Obama questionnaire of flip flops surfaces
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:05 PM by wyldwolf
A little more oppo research on Obama has hit the press. A few days back, a rival campaign gave Politico a 1993 survey that Obama filled out on which Obama indicated positions on the death penalty and on gun control that are slightly different from the ones he holds now.

Now someone has given a similar survey, this time from 2003, to ABC News. Again, Obama's answers are ever-so-slightly different than his current positions. Follow me, after the jump.

Patriot Act:

In that 2003 questionnaire Obama vowed to vote to repeal the USA PATRIOT Act, though he said he "would consider replacing that shoddy and dangerous law with a new, carefully drafted proposal …"

Two years later, Obama voted in favor of re-authorizing the PATRIOT Act.

"This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe," Obama said as he voted to re-authorize the bill.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell:

Asked by NOW in 2003 if he would support "legislation that eliminates all discrimination in the military based on sexual orientation," Obama then hedged a bit. Though in many of his answers he simply affirmed "Yes," in this one he did not.

"I would have to examine specific legislation," he wrote, "but I would oppose policies that fail to advance equal rights in the military."

Obama today as a presidential candidate -– giving an answer that many gay and lesbian voters no doubt approve of -- has directly called for "Don't Ask/Don't Tell" to be repealed.

Defense of Marriage Act:

Asked in 2003 if he would support repealing the Defense of Marriage Act (erroneously called the "Protection of Marriage Act" in the questionnaire), Obama wrote, "I support laws recognizing domestic partnerships and providing benefits to domestic partners. However, I do not support legislation to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act."

Obama changed his mind on that issue in 2004 and now supports repealing DOMA. Per Obama spokesman Bill Burton: "Obama has opposed DOMA. He felt it was a poorly conceived law and, in 2004, after hearing from gay friends who relayed to Obama how hurtful it was for the bill to be law, he supported its repeal."

So... he hoped to repeal the Patriot Act, but then accepted an altered version; his position on Don't Ask, Don't Tell is basically the same; and he reversed himself completely on the Defense of Marriage Act "after hearing from gay friends" about "how hurtful it was." DOMA, an awful bill, was passed under the Clinton administration. Hillary Clinton has also flip-flopped on it.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/12/6543_more_weak_incon.html

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Now, these are the type of things the left goes after Clinton for. I certainly realize this thread will get it's share of "but Clinton did it, too" replies. But honestly, aren't some of you are supporting Obama because he is supposedly isn't like Clinton?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:08 PM
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1. What's the title of the source article: "More (Weak) Inconsistency Claims Thrown Obama's Way"
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:09 PM by Bleachers7
Desperation!

And lets not forget the last paragraph:

So... he hoped to repeal the Patriot Act, but then accepted an altered version; his position on Don't Ask, Don't Tell is basically the same; and he reversed himself completely on the Defense of Marriage Act "after hearing from gay friends" about "how hurtful it was." DOMA, an awful bill, was passed under the Clinton administration. Hillary Clinton has also flip-flopped on it.

Not much pop here, folks...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:10 PM
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2. umm. Yeah. The author gave the piece a title. So?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:11 PM
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4. It just happens to contradict yours
Oops
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:12 PM
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6. again. So?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:13 PM
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7. Just pointing it out.
What a strange coincidence.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:11 PM
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3. "ever-so-slightly different" does not equal "flip flops"
He may have changed his mind on repealing DOMA, but he changed his mind in the correct direction.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:12 PM
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5. the author's spin on the instances doesn't alter the reality of them.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:14 PM by wyldwolf
For example:

2003: "However, I do not support legislation to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act."

2004: Obama changed his mind on that issue in 2004 and now supports repealing DOMA. Per Obama spokesman Bill Burton: "Obama supported its repeal."
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:14 PM
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8. What about your spin?
:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:14 PM
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9. what about it?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:16 PM
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11. Exactly
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:16 PM
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10. Whomever we elect must never ever change positions on anything.
8 years of "stay the course at all costs" just isnt enough. :sarcasm:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:16 PM
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12. So he reads the legislation with care as it is amended and he alters his opinions
as new information emerges. A president who reads and thinks; can the nation survive that prospect!
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:17 PM
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13. Wow. The Clinton smear team is out in force today, aren't they?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:18 PM
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15. MotherJones is part of the "Clinton smear team"?
That'll be news to them...
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:21 PM
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16. They didn't call it a flip flop; they said "Not much pop here, folks...."
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:22 PM
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18. so they're part of the Obama spin team
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:23 PM
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19. No, they're just progressives with integrity
Perhaps that also makes them a part of Obama's spin team.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:28 PM
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23. right - the Obama Spin Team
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:18 PM
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14. Surely It Is Embarassing to Post This Kind of Stuff
I wouldn't be the first to point out how the smugness of Clinton supporters has quickly turned to desperation.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:21 PM
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17. The more one looks into Obama's past the murkier and messier it gets...
I know that Obamians hate that anyone would dare question their messiah, but Obama is the one responsible for his own mistakes.

:kick: and recommend
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:27 PM
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21. How ironic -
Given the up-thread Obama supporter comments it is clear to me that -

A man gets a pass for changing his mind but a woman does not. I am so confused.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:56 PM
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25. I'm not confused,
they have a few words for it...hypocrisy is the most benign.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:55 PM
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24. Oh dear...you posted a negative article about Obama
the rush to change the underwear can be heard all over the country. We know this says in 1993 but damn they are posting stuff Hillary said the considered negative when she was in grade school....sock it to em. And don't forget he wants to bomb Iran. Maybe he should talk to McCain and they could do a duet...BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB BOMB IRAN....GEEEEEE
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:57 PM
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26. he's not like Clinton personality-wise that's for sure
policy-wise, they probably have more similarities than differences. Or they disagree on the certain specific minute issues.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:06 PM
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27. There you go again, making up headlines and misrepresenting once more...
you got no shame at all, do you?
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:09 PM
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28. Obama 1993 flip flop? - geeeez!?! has no-one in DU changed in their ways for the better???...
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