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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:48 PM Original message |
Obama calls on Edwards to stop 527 ad |
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KennedyGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Looks like MR Positive is going negative.. |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Looks like Obama addressed this issue and went on to give |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. How is defending his record going negative? nt |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. Are you talking about Edwards or Obama, cause Edwards is the one being a hypocrite. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. I watched the add and decided to fact check |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. I hate these 527s in the primaries |
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lisainmilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. They should be allowed to campaign for a candidate |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Unions can campaign for a candidate; 527 PACs cannot |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. So...Edwards got a bit to close to Obama's heels eh? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You don't mind the seeming hypocrisy on Edwards' part, then? |
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Inspired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
63. Why doesn't Obama step it up and accept public financing? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Maybe he's where Edwards and Trippi were earlier this year before the campaign had trouble raising $ |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Good point |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
96. Yep |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. To go fully into bizarro land, does Hillary benefit from this? |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. That is just too much! |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Ha ha ha ha |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Guess Oprah isn't enough for him - wah, wah, wah nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. Don't be mean to JE |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. Obama did more to reform gov't in one year than Edwards did in six |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. Well, at least the add makes valid points and doesn't suggest he is a drug dealer |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. The ad makes very negative claims against Obama's record with no sourcing whatsoever... |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Well you are 1/2 right |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Then what are the sources for the Edwards 527 ad's claims? Because I'd like to see them. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
91. I did some fact checking read up thread. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
97. No candidate |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. Okay, this is weird |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. For anyone who is interested, here is the ad |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Wow... that is a very negative ad with somewhat poor production value. |
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comradebillyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. how dare edwards supporters be so mean to poor wittle |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:41 PM Original message |
WTF are you talking about? Stop trying to pit Obama supporters against Edwards' fans. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Thanks! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Um, after further consideration, Obama voted AGAINST his co-sponsored "liquid coal" legislation |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Good - that idea sucked! nt |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. There he goes again |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Yeah, funny how that happens, eh? |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
17. Edwards was coming up in the polls... this may hurt him |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Oh, my dear, but Edwards has nothing to do with it |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. People know better. Not a smart move by his campaign team |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. But will people know it's by a 527 headed by Edwards' former campaign manager? |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. How is it distasteful? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Because it has no sourcing whatsoever while it makes very negative claims |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. And we never know who is really paying for them |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Exactly... in his response, Edwards' hardly seems bothered by THIS particular special interest group |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Yeah, and Hillary had nothing to do with that AFSME flier, either! |
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surfermaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. Edwards has never been behind in the polls, why do you think Obama and hillary spent so much money |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
24. Gee Edwards hired Axelrod in 04 and now he's anti edwards..I |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
25. Good for Obama, |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
26. This is what killed Howard Dean in 2004... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Dean got angry; Obama keeps his cool |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. That's exactly what happened |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. Edwards' statement on the issue: |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Awesome! |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Great response. nt |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. The funny part is you believe him |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Why do you thin accusing someone of being naive answers the question? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Your candidate plows half of his wealth ($24 million) into an unregulated, undertaxed hedge fund |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Over 900 thousand from Hedge Funds to your guy? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Where are your links and sources? I still don't see any.... |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Okay.... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. That's it??? That's not proof and you know it. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Ugly? Nasty? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. "dirty money" = ugly ------> nasty = no proof of your accusations |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. IMO |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Are you anti-hedge fund, too? |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Yes. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. What "dirty money" are you referring to? Examples and source links? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I think he's being disengenuous...again. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Edwards? Disingenuous? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. In Edwards' response, he's lying about being the only one who's not taking Washington lobbyist $$ |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. It isn't funny. It's creepy that people are |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. So Edwards is NOT denouncing the 527 attack ad publicly AND he's making a false claim against Obama |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. Oh no no every body is starting to pick on Obama Idoler |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. How's your girl's "Likeability Tour" going? Anyone like her yet? |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. There are enough sour grapes here |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. "What in the ad was untrue? Nothing." |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. What in the ad was true? I didn't see any sourcing at all, just bogus one-liner claims. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Which claim upsets you?? nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. All of them. None of them sound true to me... I'm the type that needs facts and proof. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I've heard Edwards say that Obama is not taking lobbyist money... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Um, Edwards has taken "lobbyist money"... see Politicfacts.com link: |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. "Um" Edwards didn't make the ad... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Yeah, and Hillary's campaign didn't make the AFSME flier but Edwards still protested, right? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I'm not defending anybody... |
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surfermaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. Someone is taking republican money |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. What are you referring to?? nt |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. The great thing about the Internet |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Really? |
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comradebillyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. the problem is that Edwards is not |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
47. I sense more than a little fear here about Iowa. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I sense there's more than a little hypocrisy here about Edwards. |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. How will people know that it came from the Edwards camp? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. because it's being widely reported in Iowa that |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
85. Why should Obama be afraid? |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
79. Edwards responds: |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Since he kind of knows the guys who started this 527 |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It's all good. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
90. The best solution |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Dodd and Obama are very good friends. |
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