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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:34 PM
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A President Needs Judgment, Not Experience
Romney Says a President Needs Judgment, Not Experience
By Marc Santora
NYT Politics Blog December 27, 2007

On a day when the already uncertain character of the race for the White House was jolted by events far from Iowa and New Hampshire, Mitt Romney sought to reassure voters that what he may lack in direct foreign policy experience he makes up for in general leadership abilities.

Responding to the assassination in Pakistan, which refocused the attention of all the campaigns on foreign affairs and national security, Mr. Romney said he did not agree with his Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, who said that America needs a president with experience in dealing with global crises.

“The president is not an expert,” Mr. Romney said in answer to a question from a reporter, addressing supporters at the Credit Union Museum in Manchester. “The president is a leader who guides America in making the important decisions which must be made in keeping us safe.”...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/romney-says-a-president-needs-judgment-not-experience/

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:38 PM
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1. For once, I agree with Mittens, because he makes Obama's and Edwards' cases for them--
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 12:39 PM by wienerdoggie
few foreign policy crises happen twice, exactly the same way, and handled the same way. McCain screamed for ground troops every time there was trouble in the world, and still thinks we should have stayed to "win" Vietnam. Sorry, I don't want that kind of "experience". Nor Hillary's, when she voted for the Iraq war out of political calculation, and now refuses to acknowledge that the vote was a fuck-up. And she didn't even go out of her way to read the NIE first. Sorry, don't want that "experience" either.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:40 PM
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2. IOWA respects and understand the importance of EXPERIENCE..Hillary prevails!
"The poll shows Clinton's "experience"-heavy message in the state has been working - 79 percent of Democrats say they believe she's ready to be president, while just 43 percent believe that about Obama."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12282007/news/nationalnews/hawkeye_poll_has_clinton_leading_881326.htm
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:23 AM
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9. What experience?
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 12:24 AM by LittleClarkie
She wasn't the president. She held no office during the Clinton years.

The people with experience are Biden and Richardson.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:37 AM
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12. and it's just my opinion, but i feel like Richardson's statement re: pakistan...
shows lack of judgement. i agree with the OP statement that judgement often times is more important than, or at least as important in my instances, as experience.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:34 AM
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11. Clinton's "experience' is overstated
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20071226/NEWS/712260445/-1/HELP07

"But during those two terms in the White House, Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.

And during one of President Clinton's major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, she was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal played out.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her "eight years with a front-row seat on history."

Her rivals scoff at the idea that her background gives her any special qualifications for the presidency, and on the campaign trail, they have increasingly been challenging her assertions of unique experience. Sen. Barack Obama has especially questioned "what experiences she's claiming" as first lady, noting that the job is not the same as being a Cabinet member, much less president.

And late last week, he suggested that more foreign-policy experts from the Clinton administration were supporting his candidacy than hers; his campaign released a list naming about 45 of them. (Clinton quickly released a list of 80 who were supporting her.)

Clinton's role in her most high-profile assignment as first lady, the failed health care initiative of the early 1990s, has been well documented. Yet little has been made public about her involvement in foreign policy and national security as first lady. Documents about her work remain classified at the National Archives. She has declined to divulge the private advice she gave her husband. An interview with her, conversations with 35 Clinton administration officials and a review of books about her White House years suggest that she was more of a sounding board than a policymaker, who learned through osmosis rather than decision-making, and who grew gradually more comfortable with the use of military power.

Her time in the White House was a period of transition in foreign policy and national security, with the Cold War over and the threat of Islamic terrorism still emerging. As a result, while in the White House she was never fully a part of either the old school that had been focused on the Soviet Union and the possibility of nuclear war or of the more recent strain of national security thinking defined by issues such as nonstate threats and the proliferation of nuclear technology.

Associates from that time said she was aware of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden and what her husband has in recent years characterized as his intense focus on them, but that she made no aggressive independent effort to shape policy or gather information about the threat of terrorism.

She did not wrestle directly with many of the other challenges the next president will face, including managing a large-scale deployment -- or withdrawal -- of troops abroad, an overhaul of the intelligence agencies or the effort to halt the spread of nuclear weapons technology. Most of her exposure to the military has come since she left the White House through her seat on the Senate Armed Services Committee......."
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:41 PM
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3. Good judgments come from good and bad past experiences ......
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:50 PM
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4. Well that settles it then!
Experience is important after all. My thanks to wrong-way Romney for helping to clarify things. He also thinks he would make a good president. I found that helpful too.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:33 PM
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6. re: wrong-way Romney
He thought he could win as a conservative, so he became one.

If he thought he could win as a pirate, he would have become a pirate.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/28/11242/010/214/426928
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:59 PM
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7. ,,,
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:14 PM
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5. Makes Obama's case gee whilkers
someone with good judgement wouldn't want to bomb Iran.
Someone with good judgement would show up to vote on critical issues.

Those two things right there should throw this lightweight right out of the campaign.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:20 AM
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8. “The president is not an expert,” Mr. Romney said...
Now that's a bumper sticker.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:29 AM
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10. No, but at least you hope the person is at least one of if not the
smartest in the room, and neither is bush or obama. If you listen long enough to obama in a one to one format he speaks like bush and becomes incoherent trying to string all those words together and one thing obama has too damn many "Dangling participles" and are not considered acceptable in standard English.

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:39 AM
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13. i think it's much better to have both, but i do agree that experience in no way....
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 12:40 AM by annie1
definitely trumps judgement. and i do find myself questioning HRC's judgement quite often. So far i like Obama's judgement, and hil's most everything else.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:23 AM
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14. I vote for
BOTH.

Why settle for inferior products?

Senator Joseph Biden
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:28 AM
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15. Exactly. We can have both in one candidate.
Joe Biden.


Biden/Obama! Two great minds, one great ticket.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:06 PM
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17. Joe is the only really good choice... hence mired in single digits. c'est la vie
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PakistaniDUer Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:30 AM
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16. Or good policies; obscure and vague character qualities are meaningless
quite frankly.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:16 PM
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18. You can not assess a person's judgment unless they have experience
And the more experience they have for your to review the better you may evaluate their judgement. No way around it, experience trumps judgement because judgement is dependent on experience. What you might call judgement in the absense of experience is just pot luck.
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