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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:17 PM
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People, I think everyone needs to see this video.....
It's Joe Biden, in an interview in Oct, 2004, obviously before the election, and it's about Saudi Arabia, and other things. If you don't watch the whole thing, the most IMPORTANT part is the last 3 minutes, of the 11 minutes. Joe was so right about what he said, and I think people should really think about it, because it still applies.


Click on "watch the video"


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/saudi/transcript.html#
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:19 PM
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1. Whether you support Joe or not, this paints a much more honest picture of the
reality in Saudi Arabia then we've ever been given by this administration. Very informative, and helped me to understand the history there.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:28 AM
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11. Yep. I agree with you.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:21 PM
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2. I'd like to see the video, but it won't work. Is it anywhere else? Joe has such great insight.
:(
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:24 PM
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3. You need real player....
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 10:25 PM by 1corona4u
you can download it for free...

http://www.real.com/

Oh, and I don't think it's anywhere else on the net.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:25 PM
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4. as always with Biden, thorough treatment of the issue with in depth knowledge of it.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:29 PM
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5. Right, again....
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:40 PM
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6. K
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:08 AM
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7. kickin for Whirly...
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:47 AM
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17. thanks corona!
here's a kick just 4 U

kick!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:02 PM
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18. LOL, thanks!!
I wanted to make sure you saw it!!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:15 AM
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8. Looking at the responses - it's all Bidenites that appreciate this.
God help us.

thanks for posting corona!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:35 AM
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9. Yeah, I guess so....
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 12:36 AM by 1corona4u
what a shame...I guess no one has 11 minutes to spare for an important message...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:37 AM
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10. Great interview
and very informative. Once again, I learned something listening to Joe Biden.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:09 AM
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12. some excerpts
Some excerpts of this excellent interview with Joe Biden:

Question: Is the situation so dire that the administration of Saudi Arabia, the monarchy, is likely to be destabilized, is likely to be overthrown?

Biden: Let me say what I mean. The question is how urgent. It is dire in the sense that there's no underpinning, there's no legitimacy, to this royal families continued political domination. They made a Faustian bargain with the religious organization who are made up of extremely conservative Sunnis, referred to as Wahhabis, who have had as their habit and continue to have as their habit exporting extremism in the Madrasas, the schools they build all around the world, and in the way in which they educate the Saudi youth. And the way they keep any notion of modernity -- as it relates to spreading to the population at large -- at bay. And so it is an incendiary bomb that is likely to explode. Whether it occurs in a year, in a month, ten years, I don't know. But I would be dumbfounded -- if my granddaughter, who is now ten years old -- when she is thirty five years old and a professor at some university -- whether or not the royal family is still in charge.

...

Question: If Saudi Arabia is on the verge, or potentially able to implode; is it also equally able to explode in our direction?

Joseph Biden: It's already exploding in our direction. And that's why we have to get over this notion -- it's a little bit like having a gas station on the corner. You don't like the proprietor very much but he keeps pumping the gas. And now you find out in the backroom they're cutting heroin and cocaine and they're distributing it to all the drug dealers in the region. Obviously that gas station now becomes your problem. It gives you gas but it's a problem. Saudi Arabia is becoming our problem as well as our ally.

...

Question: At the end of the day is the overriding concern that we have in this country their oil?

Joseph Biden: Bingo bango. Put it another way. Can you imagine us wasting any time if there were no oil?

...

Question: Last question. Is there any doubt in your mind that the November election is a foreign policy election?

Joseph Biden: None whatsoever.

Question: It's not about the economy in the United States.

Joseph Biden: Oh, it is about the economy. Look all these other things matter. As my dad said, 'If everything's equally important than nothings important to you.' Let me put it this way, if we get the next four years as badly wrong as we got the last four years in foreign policy, it'll take a generation to correct it. If we get the next four years as badly wrong as we've gotten the economy, we can correct it in four years. We can have a horrible tax policy that does great damage to our economy, and over a matter of a couple years, internally, at our own doing, we can change it. We can put in place a social policy that's mistaken on education and change it in one congress. We cannot continue the erosion of American influence, confidence in American judgment and American wisdom, and think you're going to turn it around in four years or six years or eight years. We can do that on welfare reform. We can do that on tax policy. We can do that on education policy. We can't do that on foreign policy. It's like turning around a super tanker or stopping a super tanker. It takes miles. It takes miles. So in that sense there's never been an election since the end of World War II that has as much of a consequence for America's place in the world as this election that is coming. It's the single most important election that has occurred in your lifetime or mine whether you're for Bush or for Kerry, a radically different view of the world.
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:46 AM
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13. K&R
Thanks for posting, Corona.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:35 AM
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14. k&r (nt)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:01 AM
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15. the "Saudi-George Bush gasoline tax"
Did you miss it when the actual candidate was saying it? Just curious.

"On the stump, Kerry typically lambastes Saudi Arabia’s monarchy for supporting terrorism and refers to increasing prices of crude oil as “the Saudi-George Bush gasoline tax.”

“If we are serious about energy independence, then we can finally be serious about confronting the role of Saudi Arabia in financing and providing ideological support for al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups,” Kerry said in one recent stump speech. He vowed to impose “tough sanctions” and to “name and shame” those behind financing terrorists.

“To put it simply,” he pronounced, “we will not do business as usual with Saudi Arabia.”

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/17/215142.shtml
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:12 AM
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16. Wow
That's about the third time I've said that about Joe - I haven't been paying enough attention ;) If you look up the list you will see I'm 1.Biden, 2.Clinton. It is discouraging that the mere mention of a Joe's name turns off those looking for a big three shoot out.

If the title was Obama/Edwards really don't have a clue what it will take to turn this country around, the post would probably be swamped.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:15 PM
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