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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:42 PM
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did obama really vote for patriot act after saying he wouldn't?
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:43 PM
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1. good q.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:46 PM
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3. wrong place.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 09:46 PM by goldcanyonaz


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:47 PM
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5. "new, carefully crafted proposal "
How do you ignore what you posted?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:48 PM
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7. huh?
I wanted to post to the op.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:52 PM
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9. He said he'd consider reformed legislation
That's what he said. He didn't vote for the Patriot Act, it was reformed, regardless of whether you think it was reformed enough or not.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:19 AM
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17. So he never said he would vote against it
He didn't say he would vote against all funding either.

Yet another lie by Hillary.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:47 PM
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6. Yes!


Would you vote to repeal the Patriot Act?

"Yes, I would vote to repeal the U.S. Patriot Act, although I would consider replacing that shoddy and dangerous law with a new, carefully crafted proposal that addressed in a much more limited fashion the legitimate needs of law enforcement in combating terrorism (for example, permitting a warrant for the interception of cell phone calls, and not just land-based phones to accommodate changes in technology).

However, on March 2, 2006, U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D - Illinois) voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act . In fact, on February 16, 2006, Sen. Obama had this to say on the floor of the United States Senate:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:45 PM
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2. I believe he did
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:47 PM
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4. He did vote for the renewal
though it was slightly different from the original.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:48 PM
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8. Does anybody know the answer to this question?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:53 PM
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10. His quote is above
He said he'd consider reformed legislation which is exactly what he did. Disagree with the vote, fine, but she lied about what he said and did.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:07 PM
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11. YES Obama Voted For The Patriot Act etc., And Here IS The Proof!

Did Obama vote for the renewal of the Patriot Act? YES HE DID ...and Hillary said so....

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00029




Obama voted FOR the renewal of the Patriot Act, Repeated Funding of Iraq War...ALL AFTER PROMISING THAT HE WOULD NOT!!!!!


And he voted for that horrible Bankruptcy Bill too..the most anti consumer bill ever written.

That's from his close relationship with the banks, especially the banks in Chicago.

this is not what I want for our country..... :think: or :headbang:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:26 PM
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12. kick.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:38 AM
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15. Gotta Inform the Voters Before they make a mistake!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:15 AM
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16. He didn't vote for the bankruptcy bill you goddamn liar
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:28 AM
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18. Shh, don't ruin their kumbaya moment and inform them of the facts.........
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:05 AM
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19. I don't want
a hypocrite like hedge fund johny for president who actually did vote for a very bad bankruptcy bill. You're a little liar. And a repeat offender at that.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:28 PM
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13. Yes
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 AM
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14. here is what happened
Mr. OBAMA: Mr. President, 4 years ago, following one of the most devastating attacks in our Nation's history, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act to give our Nation's law enforcement the tools they needed to track down terrorists who plot and lurk within our own borders and all over the world--terrorists who, right now, are looking to exploit weaknesses in our laws and our security to carry out even deadlier attacks than we saw on September 11th.

We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

But soon after the PATRIOT Act passed, a few years before I ever arrived in the Senate, I began hearing concerns from people of every background and political leaning that this law didn't just provide law enforcement the powers it needed to keep us safe, but powers it didn't need to invade our privacy without cause or suspicion. Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an ``either- or'' type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.

Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe.

In this compromise:

We strengthened judicial review of both national security letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.
We established hard-time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.
We protected most libraries from being subject to national security letters.
We preserved an individual's right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBI's wrath.
And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches. The compromise is far from perfect.
I would have liked to see stronger judicial review of national security letters and shorter time limits on sneak and peak searches, among other things.

Senator Feingold has proposed several sensible amendments--that I support--to address these issues. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader is preventing Senator Feingold from offering these amendments through procedural tactics. That is regrettable because it flies in the face of the bipartisan cooperation that allowed the Senate to pass unanimously its version of the Patriot Act--a version that balanced security and civil liberty, partisanship and patriotism.

The Majority Leader's tactics are even more troubling because we will need to work on a bipartisan basis to address national security challenges in the weeks and months to come. In particular, members on both sides of the aisle will need to take a careful look at President Bush's use of warrantless wiretaps and determine the right balance between protecting our security and safeguarding our civil liberties.

This is a complex issue. But only by working together and avoiding election-year politicking will we be able to give our government the necessary tools to wage the war on terror without sacrificing the rule of law.

So, I will be supporting the PATRIOT Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the PATRIOT Act after it is reauthorized.



http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/clinton-slams-o.html
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