Hillary Clinton's train wreck.

[gene430]

Why does the Clinton camp not see what most of
America sees?

http://www.politibyte.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=27

She better wake up and smell the coffee or the Obama Express will run her over.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. The polls think she's going to win. The voters don't!

I don't know anyone who supports H. Clinton!

[Yael]

3. Is that because everyone you know is a sexist who is afraid of powerful women?

:P

[Lerkfish]

7. lol! glad I saw your smiley.

I was about to respond differently!
:ROTF:

[Seabiscuit]

8. Oooooh. How low can you go?

Was the smiley supposed to mean sarcasm, or are you sticking your tongue out at the previous poster?

[Yael]

13. I was being sarcastic. I have been called a sexist more times than

I can count for not bowing to the Clinton empire. :D

[Seabiscuit]

14. Ok. Gotcha.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. Do you think she should win because she's female?

Did you like Margaret Thatcher? I think Margaret Thatcher was a first-class fascist. Does someone being female mean they're automatically good?

[Yael]

16. I would be thrilled to vote for a woman! Just not that one...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. Same here. I would never vote for a Margaret Thatcher, and H. Clinton is a Margaret Thatcher. nt

[ccpup]

2. If Bill had taken your advice

-- after losing the first five Primary States in 1992 -- we never would have had a President Clinton. Back then it was a Jerry Brown Express that was going to, as you said, run him over, but ended up falling over it's own hubris after tripping during it's premature Victory Lap.

The race has just begun and politics is anything but static.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Hillary is not Bill Clinton

In any way really, but espessially when it comes to winning states in the primary.

Bill Clinton Was a virtual unknown in '92. Hillary is very well known

Bill was not the national front runner. Hillary is.

Bill didn't campaign in Iowa. Hillary was there for almost a year.

The comparison isn't even close to being fair.

[RC]

And here I thought politics was mostly static.

Goes to show what I know.

Of, relating to, or produced by random radio noise. n. 1. Random noise, such as crackling in a receiver or specks on a television screen, produced by atmospheric disturbance of the signal. 2. Informal a. Back talk. b. Interference; obstruction.

This is for post #2

[gene430]

28. I know Bill Clinton

I know Bill Clinton, I worked with Bill Clinton, and Sir, Hillary is no Bill
Clinton

[Sparkly]

5. I think "Change" has become a cliche.

Candidates have said they're going to "change Washington" for as long as I can remember. The Republicans are saying it now, and they've had the White House for two terms!

There's not much a president can "change" single-handedly. Much of it's about the Congress and the courts. And the "change" the three top Democrats are proposing are essentially the SAME. So it's become about slogans and IMAGE. Image is important to elections, no doubt, but let's be real about it.

"Young, fresh, Washington outsider" was Bill Clinton's trump card and it's Obama's as well -- that's reality, too. His persona captures the notion of "change," and he's got tons of charisma to boot.

But the "change" slogan is more about political posturing than differences in policy proposals.

[Lerkfish]

9. so THAT's why Clinton is now adopting it.

:rofl:

[Sparkly]

11. "Now adopting it?"

Who didn't "adopt" it? :shrug:

[DangerDave921]

30. Steve Earle

As one of his songs once said, "One thing change'll bring is something new."

Change, in and of itself, is a meaningless term. Change has to be tied to a vision -- a specific goal -- or else it is meaningless. If I'm freezing cold, and the temperature changes by going even lower, I'm going to freeze my balls off.

So I wish everyone would stop using the term change generically. Tell me what specifically is going to change. I don't want to hear about a new tone, or new diplomacy, or a change in washington. Give me specifics.

[CyberPieHole]

6. Thanks for your concern...and enjoy your stay on DU.

:hi:

[still_one]

10. The article is a political biased opinon, not based on facts

Right now even though she lost Iowa she has the most delegates, which also point to the demagogary of the Democratic party establishment

Can that be broken?

I don't know. The leadership in Congress has done NOTHING to insure that our votes are counted, and people aren't disenfranchised

Congress with a few exceptions had no problem giving bush the authority to go into IRAQ, a CLEAR violation of the War Powers ACT

Congress with a few exceptions had no problem with the Patriot Act, in spite of Constitutional protection for due process

I am not sure where America is today

[hayu_lol]

18. Hillary is in it for the distance...

I would suggest that you watch Edward's 'a chicken in every pot' fall from grace, if not very quickly, then soon.

Obama is still an unknown quality despite his 'win' in Iowa.

Unlike the last two primaries, this one will go on for weeks with people actually voting for someone because they are backing them instead of holding their noses as many have done.

Gonna be interesting.

[still_one]

23. I agree Clinton is in it for the distance, and so is Obama

What would be interesting, but not good, is if it got to the Convention, and a candidate hadn't wrapped it up in the bag

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. The Ugliness , The Meanness, The Gloating Here Is Amazing

It's worse than than a sports board after a big game...

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Gloating? Nothings over yet. We're still holding Hillary's feet to fire.

as she trys to recover. This isn't a game of patty cake.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Am Trying To Avoid These Discussions

Basically, people are calling other people out here in the most puerile way...Nothing more...Nothing less...

It's no different than if I was to go to the Phoenix Suns board at the Arizona Republic News and crow how the Lakers own the Suns...


Let's be honest with one another about what's going on here...

[Joe the Revelator]

22. You're seeing it that way, because you candidate is imploding

Politics is a tough game. When there is blood in the water, the sharks will cirlce until that person is eliminated. That's what you're seeing going on, and it would have been the same if Obama had lost Iowa by 9 points.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Can't Speak For Other People But I Wouldn't Be Gloating

Just as I wouldn't be gloating if my team won a big game...

But if someone dissed my team I most certainly would respond...

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. This is fortunately nothing compared to some boards I've been to.

There are unmoderated sites where whoever determines to be the ugliest, can shout down anyone else. DU is a breath of fresh air compared to such things.

[still_one]

26. None of these types of posts are based on the issues or the facts

No question about it, Hillary is getting an unfair share of it here on DU, but I have also seen it thrown from other supporters of other candidates in all directions

I think it is pretty juvenile

I also think that if ANYONE who believes they can convince someone to vote for their candidate by personally attacking another candidate, NOT ON THE issues, but on innuendo and appearance, will NOT only lose that person's support for their candidate, but it may even go as far as the general election

I don't like it either, and I am not even a Hillary supporter

[realFedUp]

20. I wouldn't count her out after one or two caucuses...

I'm getting tired of the pushback on Hillary
from bloggers, blogsites and grassrooters and
I don't think it really has much to do with her
as it does with anger with the DLC, Dem.political advisors
and the shit conservatives and their hired hands
put the Clintons through during those terms in
office. I'm not happy with some of Clinton's votes
either and I intend still voting for DK in the
primary, but this pushback on Hillary will boomerang
to a certain extent. I won't be surprised if she
is the Democratic candidate when people think about
who really can take over on the first day and who
will still be thinking about what he wants to do.

[indimuse]

27. Clinton's criticism got Obama and John Edwards

During the debate, Clinton's criticism got Obama and John Edwards ganging up on her. Edwards apparently decided if he can't beat Obama in New Hampshire, he'll try to join him.

"Both of us are powerful voices for change," Edwards said at the debate, rising to Obama's defense. "And if I might add, we finished first and second in the Iowa caucus, I think in part as a result of that."

Edwards didn't mention he beat Clinton for second place by only three-tenths of a percentage point. He's calculated that if he can force Clinton out of the race, he might have a chance of beating Obama in a two-man contest.

Asked Sunday about an alliance with Obama, Edwards said, "I think there is a conviction alliance." Then he added, "First of all, I wouldn't go so far as to call it an alliance. Let me disagree with that. ..."

Whatever happens in New Hampshire and following states, he said on ABC's "This Week," "I'm in this through the convention and to the White House."

He has little time before the New Hampshire primary to make up a lot of ground. A CNN/WMUR poll released Saturday found Clinton and Obama tied at 33 percent each in the state, with Edwards trailing at 20 percent.

After nearly a year of ignoring her rivals when she was on top, Clinton struck back at Edwards as being all talk and no action. She accused Obama of changing his positions and having an inferior health care plan. And again, she rose to the night's buzzword.

"I am an agent of change," she said. "I embody change. I think having the first woman president is a huge change."






:silly:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/democrats_rdp

[gene430]

29. Obama missed an opportunity

Do you think Obama missed an opportunity to fire back after Hillary made the statement, " I am an agent of change," she said. "I embody change. I think having the first woman president is huge change". He could have countered with something like, "Hillary there is no larger embodiment of change than America elected it's first African-American President."

Would it have been a good move?