Looking for a discussion: Senator Clinton's defied odds in a sexist USA

[Captain_Nemo]

I hear a lot of discussion about Obama and the potential for having an African American president (a very exciting thought!). But I feel that Senator Clinton doesn't get the same analysis even though she went to college and law school before Title IX ( which barred discrimination in colleges, universities etc.). Prior to the early seventies it was legal for colleges to say "We have already have enough women in the incoming class." and, they discriminated with gusto.

Moreover, she survived a country that only saw men as viable politicians, jurists, professors, lawyers, etc. I remember watching nightly news as a child and seeing all white male reporters and anchors.

Her early work in children's rights was so good and effective that Pat Buchanan, during the Republican convention in the nineties, portrayed her as a woman who wanted to give children the right to sue their parents. (She defended herslef against that accusaation and many others.)

How come we aren't looking to her as a female who defied the odds in a sexist coutnry and republican attacks? and, seeing this breadth of experience as something that can take us through this very terrible time in our country?

P.S. I am not a campaign worker. (Just thought I would stop those posts before they started.) I am a liberal democrat scared to death of a Huckabee or Romney presidency.

[itsrobert]

1. Sexist?

I will grant you that there are some knuckle draggers out there, but the USA as a whole is not sexist.

[abburdlen]

4. did you read the 'shrill'

threads last night?

When Obama shows emotion, he's fired up. When Edwards shows emotions, it's personal for him.
Clinton raises her voice and she's shrill.

No, I'm afraid it might take longer for America to get over it's sexism than it's racism.

[Captain_Nemo]

6. Yes, this is why we need a female president. To break the male deadlock of US presidencies.

[cascadiance]

32. Get someone like Barbara Boxer, and she will get my vote!

But I don't use someone's sex as a sole measure of whether they make the best candidate for president. If that were the case, then why aren't we signing up Condi! She'd give us two for the price of one (an Afro-American and a woman!).

It's about having the right message. Edwards understands that now! It isn't because he's white, a male, or from the south. It's because he has the right message. Now you can say that him having those other qualities helps him from being marginalized by the racists and the sexists. That may be true, but I wouldn't be supporting him if it weren't for his message.

[Captain_Nemo]

34. Boxer's not running - if she were I would probably vote for her two.

[cascadiance]

40. Whether she's running or not is not the point...

It is that she would be the kind of candidate that would espouse the vision I want, and I'd feel it refreshing to vote for a woman in that instance to not only give a voice for woman, but to have a woman be a real decent agent of change that is needed in our society, and set a good precedent for the future that would help other women get elected.

If you elect someone like Hillary, and she becomes another corporate-serving president like Bush, it will set BACK the ability of women to get elected in the future and give naysayers an excuse to point at her and say, "See what we get when we vote for a woman?". We can't let that happen, FOR the sake of getting women elected in the future, AS WELL as for the sake of our country getting someone in that will do the right things.

We should work to become a color-blind society and a sex-blind society. That means not selecting someone because they aren't OR are a member of an ethnic or gender minority. As for things like affirmative action, I can understand both sides of that. Affirmative action has helped make up for many years of discrimination that women and minorities have experienced, and gives them a chance to balance out the equation a little. Over time, I'd like to see it revised to also be color blind and gender blind, but for now, it is better than having nothing and keeping the infrastructure in place that perpetuates the problems of discrimination from the past.

The position of president though, is so much more important than just any other job, and isn't a job that we should "affirmative action" someone in without looking at the merit they have in their history that warrants them being qualified for that position.

We're already seeing someone like Pelosi make a bad name for women by not being strong-willed about pursuing impeachment. Let's not make the potential for sexism worse by voting for Clinton just because she's a woman. We need more than that for someone this powerful.

[Captain_Nemo]

5. A sexist USA we were prior to the women's liberation movement in the 60s. And, today

one must see the issues of abortion and birth control (the passionate drive for overthrowing the reproductive rights gains made by women ) as sexist.
If you can't see that I would say you might want to "bone up" on a little American History.

Hillary clinton was raised, went to college, and began a career BEFORE all of the gains by the feminist revolution in America.

[Sparkly]

10. Hah!

Even this board -- with members who pride themselves on being "left" and "liberal" -- has an astonishing level of sexism. Absolutely amazing.

The country is definitely sexist.

[TheWraith]

11. The fact that you define something as sexist doesn't make it so. NT

[Sparkly]

30. Ergo, there is no such thing as "sexist."

If it exists, people can define it. You say people can't define it. (Or is it just me who can't define it, in your view?) If it can't be defined, the word applies to nothing.

[Rock_Garden]

2. I see things exactly as you have described.

[Nailzberg]

3. What's wrong with being sexy?

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. I totally agree with you. And I think that the amount of contempt

is a stinging reminder that women have such a long way to go. Whenever her gender is mentioned, she is playing the gender card. Candidates and pundits can comment on her looks, and voice, her "cold" demeanor with no repercussions. Clinton cannot mention the fact that she is a woman in a man's world. People discount her feminism and her climb to the top, knowing that she paved the way for many of us.

If anyone even mentions Obama's middle name, of the fact that he admitted to doing Cocaine--they suggest that there is racism. We are not allowed to discuss anything about Obama as taboo.

I am stunned at the hatred for her on this board. Many suggest it is because of her record, but to believe that they would have to ignore her progressive record. There is more there. Biden, Dodd, Edwards also voted for IWR and they are not attacked with the vehemence reserved for Clinton.

I am as disappointed in this as I was when Anita Hill was ignored and belittled and condesended to in the 70's. We have come no further.

[Captain_Nemo]

12. We have further to go. I am stunned by the lack of support for her among women. I do

think there is a psychological barrier for a lot of women - maybe "I don't want to see her fail?" Or," I don't want to see her accused of playing a gender card?" Because as females in working America we have all feared those comments.

So, what do women do? Look for someone outside of themselves to identify with. (That's easy for us. We have been identifying with male role models for eons.)

Time for new role models - then we can tackle the problems we endure every day with more success. Because we will be framing the debate.

[terisan]

13. Agree . I get a sardonic kick at a lot of Duers claiming to be progressive but trashing the female.

[rosesaylavee]

15. Anita Hill - that was 1991 and not the 70s.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. you are correct. type-o

[rosesaylavee]

27. Very fond of Professor Hill - and I remember that moment in time much

better than some events in the 70s.

I am no fan of HRC but I think her role in this primary has been terrific in opening doors for those who will follow her. I think the country is ready for a female president and a black president if that is how it turns out. Geraldine Ferraro opened the door a bit further in her day too. I think HRC is being held accountable more for her stances on issues and her past actions rather than specifically on her gender. I see our country has having come a long long way in the last 30 years.

[Captain_Nemo]

33. Yes, But I also wonder, given the severity of our problems(climate, war,economy) people eschew

a person who has the experience to turn it around for someone who just pushes the word "change?"

That disturbs me because the climate and the middle east scares the shit out of me.

[rosesaylavee]

42. I still am undecided but have to admit

that HRC will only get my support in the GE if she's the nominee. I don't see the experience she keeps touting. She's been a senator for almost two terms and prior to that, she was first lady to a president and a governor. Why does she have more expertise to deal with the troubles we are facing than the other guys? If its style and programs she is promoting, I can understand the support. But her experience is as lacking as the other two... in my opinion.

If I am wrong, please let me know but I just honestly don't see it.

[Captain_Nemo]

45. One can use the position as First Lady or ignore it. Clinton used it.

Here are two links. It is sad to me that the position of first lady is so maligned in our country than when someone comes along who actually uses it (Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton) the position is still ignored.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lissa-muscatine-and-melanne-verveer/hillarys-unprecedented-e_b_76883.html

"Anyone who doubts Hillary Clinton's international experience might consult with democracy activists in the Slovak Republic, who remember when she stood in solidarity with them and publicly challenged their new government's suppression of civil society.

They might talk to women - from the Philippines to Latin America to the Middle East - who can vote, own property, or go to school, because Hillary Clinton helped start a global women's movement for women's rights. Or they might travel to Africa and Asia, where Hillary Clinton visited countless remote villages to show how the poorest of the poor could become entrepreneurial and self-sufficient when given access to small loans."

In addition:
The Foreign POlicy Activism of First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p89072_index.html

[rosesaylavee]

48. Now that is something of substance...

Thank you for posting.

[Captain_Nemo]

52. very much appreciated. Thank you.

[Captain_Nemo]

47. McGovern endorsed her because of her experience:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3661776&page=1tml

McGovern then explained all the reasons why Clinton would likely secure his backing. One of them was clearly loyalty -- Clinton worked for McGovern during his 1972 run for the White House.

"I got to know her 35 years ago," McGovern said. "She and her boyfriend, Bill Clinton, took over the McGovern organization in Texas. They did a terrific job against impossible odds. I never forgot that. They worked night and day in that state."

McGovern said that he was "impressed by the experience she had as first lady. I know some people say it's not governing experience, but it really is. You're at the elbow of the power broker. She was there for all the decisions." He said he was impressed with her performance at the debates and her ability to win large re-election margins in both New York City and upstate New York.

[enough already]

24. My "contempt" for her has everything to do with her war votes

If she (and you) want to play victim and pretend that this is about her being a woman, knock your socks off. Give us a call when you decide to return to reality. I won't be "shamed" into voting for a war monger.

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. where is your contempt for Edwards, Biden, Dodd?

Why is the contempt reserved for Clinton? And, why contempt?

And see, you called her a war monger. That myth has been debunked time and again, and yet people do not want to listen. Anything postive about Clinton is ignored as if there have their hands over their ears, eyes closed, and mouth open.

[cascadiance]

35. Did they not learn from their previous mistake and vote in the same fashion on Iran?

NO!!! She's showing herself to be one that isn't about trying to make sure this president doesn't repeat the same mistake in Iran that he made in Iraq like the rest of the candidates have. That is why she can't be trusted to be our leader!

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. I guess that is what happens when you listen to the spin and not the

actual facts.


And that is part of America's problem. And why we are destined to elect people that sound good, with nothing to offer.

And of course the boys get free passes, including Obama who has voted for the war time and again.

[cascadiance]

41. Yes, I was sifting out the SPIN of her trying to rationalize why she voted the way she did!

She's giving Bush more of an excuse to invade Iran and she should know it! Parsing what the resolution said doesn't help. You parse what the earlier Iraq resolution said too, and that shouldn't have given Bush the authority to invade Iraq either. But that didn't stop him. With an administration like this one, you simply CANNOT give them any kind of authority that they can distort to their own ends. She should know that. Other politicians have voted against this knowing what could very well happen this year that might really screw our country a lot worse than even the Iraq war has!

[Captain_Nemo]

29. I don't play victim. and, contempt for Hillary goes beyond the vote. Its much deeper.

[Captain_Nemo]

31. Your response is actually rooted in more emotion than fact.

[enough already]

36. Thank you, Dr. Phil

More condescending crap from the Clinton crowd. Sorry, it's not changing my mind.

And good luck working with Britney.

[Captain_Nemo]

38. Shrill, I would say.

[frankenforpres]

68. "strike first" obama is a pacifist? nt

[incapsulated]

25. Damn Straight.

Thank you.

[Maven]

8. Well, I'll say this

Even if she doesn't win the nomination, she has certainly erased a lot of doubts about a woman being a viable presidential candidate. The seriousness of her candidacy has helped clear the way for future "mainstream" runs by other female politicians. I think that's pretty significant.

[Captain_Nemo]

21. Agreed.

[ShaneGR]

9. She can basically be considered one of the top 3 most powerful women in the history of the US

My list would be:

Roosevelt
Clinton
Pelosi

Clinton would be right up there on any list. Former first lady of the United States. Two term United States Senator.

[terisan]

19. How about Condolezza Rice? Looks like sometimes Republicans are the more progressive unfortunately.

[Captain_Nemo]

22. Rice is a shining example of the successes of the women's movement and civil rights movement.

[Diane R]

14. Why do women have to support THIS woman to prove they are feminists?

I'm not going going to vote against a candidate because she's a woman, and I'm not going to vote FOR a candidate just because she's a woman. Hillary is not a litmus test of whether a woman can be elected president. She's a flawed candidate. If voters vote for one of her opponents it does not prove that a woman is not electable.

[terisan]

17. The objection is to lack of discussion on issues and overabundance of personal attacks.nt

[Captain_Nemo]

20. Interesting. I am not saying that supporting her proves you are a feminist. I am saying

the lack of analysis towards her in this campaign is interesting given she has defied discrimination longer that her opponent. (Being female in the fifties and sixites wasn't a very fun time!) Also, I have a vision (if one could say that) and it goes like this:

She gets elected president. How would I feel looking at that headline.....damn good. I would feel a part of my government. a real part. I can identify with a working woman as my president.

She doesn't rely on religious terms to help her connect with voters. She relies on facts and history.

I think every female in our country would have a shift in her thinking about herself. and, it will change the self esteem of every woman in America. Further, it will help men identify with women. (Something very lacking)

And the bonus is: She can do the job.

[cascadiance]

39. My concerns are NOTHING personal. They are concerns about what she would do...

... when she is most supported by the likes of Rupert Murdoch.

... when she gets so much more lobbyist money than the other candidates, when the fundamental problem America faces today is special interest money controlling our government. She dismisses those who argue that special interest lobbying using money, etc. is a good thing to Yearly Kos...

... when she says NOTHING about holding this administration accountable and a move towards impeaching them.

... when she's one of the biggest recipient of health insurance and other health industry contributions and tries to rationalize how she's going to be one to solve our health care problems and still let these yoyos a seat at the table.

This has NOTHING to do with sexism. She's the one that has minions that are going out to find and spread nasty personal rumors about folks like Barack Obama. SHE is the one that has something to answer for for personal attacks.

[Captain_Nemo]

44. Look at Obama's contributors. Goldman Sachs gives him more money than they do Clinton. He will be be

beholden to his corporate contributers much like she.

[cascadiance]

54. I'm not saying I'm FOR Obama either... I'm actually for Edwards for that reason too...

But Hillary is more stridently in the corporate people's camp than he is, and I still haven't seen Rupert knock on Obama's door much yet.

The point is, the reason there are many like us that have a problem with her is not because she's a woman, but because we have a problem with the stances she has and who backs her. You can't just point to the other guys and wipe her slate clean.

[Captain_Nemo]

61. I can honestly say his closeness with religious righties and his religiousity make me uneasy as a

woman. HIs corporate money makes me wonder about his message of change.

Put those two things together and place them against her feminist background and her experience in the WH and the answer for me is obvious.

[cascadiance]

65. Pullease! Take off those rose colored glasses?

So, HOW do either of them have more corporate money coming their way than Hillary? HUH? You are living in denial I think!

[Captain_Nemo]

71. I took off the glasses and I found this:

http://opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00009638&cycle=2006

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

Not much of a difference.

[Captain_Nemo]

46. Conerns me more: a candidate who has often blamed his staff for his mistakes and

a candidate who courts the religious right. (Not to mention the one who touts change yet keeps his pockets open for Goldman Sachs,)

I stick with the experienced secular feminist.

[cascadiance]

55. As I said, I'm not trying to defend Obama... Don't continue to deflect away Hillary's weaknesses!

And Hillary isn't exactly immune from engaging with rather strident religious groups of her own privately as well.

[Captain_Nemo]

56. I am repelled by his comfort with religious right and engaging in their male dominated language

[cascadiance]

64. So, if you're repelled by that, then why aren't you repelled by this?

So! Can you give us some SPECIFIC information on how Obama or Edwards are more "aligned" with the religious right than the following information? And please don't rationalize that this article from MOTHER Jones should be dismissed as some example of male-dominated society propaganda...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics



News: For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

By Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet
Illustration by: Andy Friedman

September 1, 2007

...

In fact, Clinton's God talk is more complicated—and more deeply rooted—than either fans or foes would have it, a revelation not just of her determination to out-Jesus the gop, but of the powerful religious strand in her own politics. Over the past year, we've interviewed dozens of Clinton's friends, mentors, and pastors about her faith, her politics, and how each shapes the other. And while media reports tend to characterize Clinton's subtle recalibration of tone and style as part of the Democrats' broader move to recapture the terrain of "moral values," those who know her say there's far more to it than that.

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

Clinton's faith is grounded in the Methodist beliefs she grew up with in Park Ridge, Illinois, a conservative Chicago suburb where she was active in her church's altar guild, Sunday school, and youth group. It was there, in 1961, that she met the Reverend Don Jones, a 30-year-old youth pastor; Jones, a friend of Clinton's to this day, told us he knows "more about Hillary Clinton's faith than anybody outside her family."

Because Jones introduced Clinton and her teenage peers to the civil rights movement and modern poetry and art, Clinton biographers often cast him as a proto-'60s liberal who sowed seeds of radicalism throughout Park Ridge. Jones, though, describes his theology as neoorthodox, guided by the belief that social change should come about slowly and without radical action. It emerged, he says, as a third way, a reaction against both separatist fundamentalism and the New Deal's labor-based liberalism.

...

[Captain_Nemo]

72. Complete yellow journalism. Prove this one to me. actually, never mind. I'll verify it.

Hillary is the ral deal. A politician with experience who can illicit change.

as an Obama supporter, I have to say in all honestly, you are part of a cult. There's no "there" there."

[cascadiance]

74. Hey, PAY ATTENTION. I've said repeatedly I'm NOT an Obama supporter!

I am an EDWARDS SUPPORTER!

You have to really pay attention! And anyway, the topic I'm talking about is NOT Obama, it is what Clinton is about and why I have a problem supporting her.

[Captain_Nemo]

75. Ok, fine. Then let's talk about original post. What do you think of that?

Why aren't women looking to Hillary as someone who survived the years in America prior to Title IX, Title VII and Roe v. Wade and yet still went to college, law school and a career helping children in teh Children's Defense Fund?

But, yet, everyone is so enamored that we might have a AA president. Yet, no one is saying, "Wow, when Hillary went to law School women were admitted on quotas. And here she is running for Prez?

[cascadiance]

76. I feel about her kind of like I feel about Condi Rice...

Condi Rice also tried to be a figure skater pre-Title IX as indicated here:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/wnba/2007-07-13-2048026907_x.htm

She was also a music major at the University of Denver before being talked into a career of International Studies by Madeline Albright's father who headed up the program there. Albright's father listed her as one of his favorite students, though he passed away quite a while before she took office under this Bush administration. My dad who also had Albright's father as his advisor at Denver there many years earlier before we went overseas on many of his jobs, so he wasn't a slouch.

I can respect Condi Rice's pursuit of excellence in her education despite both her sex and race as well, but that DOESN'T mean that I want her as my president! Likewise, I can respect that Hillary Clinton may have fought through adversity to get her education and her early career as well, but we all know that she wouldn't be running for president now if it weren't for her relationship with her husband!

And I still might look heavily towards Clinton IF I found a lot I could support in her stances and how she meshed with corporate America. As I've said over and over again, the big criteria many of us reject Clinton over, which isn't in ANY way sexist, is her ties to corporate America...

She simply just takes in too much money influence more than Edwards and even Obama for that matter:

[Captain_Nemo]

77. I disagree

"Likewise, I can respect that Hillary Clinton may have fought through adversity to get her education and her early career as well, but we all know that she wouldn't be running for president now if it weren't for her relationship with her husband!"

This statement reeks of sexism. She was a lawyer in her own right and in college people expected her to run for President. She was on the path. To disregard a woman's work by saying she got where she is through her husband is wrong.

If we have a woman president 51 percent of the country shifts in their thinking about themselves. And judging by the remarks at DU I think this is something that needs to happen.
Women have a problem seeing themselves in the corner office.

This is my opinion.

[cascadiance]

78. Personally, I feel someone like Barbara Boxer is more qualified and desirable as a nominee...

I don't know if she feels she can't run because she's a woman or for other reasons, but I really wish she'd run sometime, and she would be doing it on HER OWN merits!

You have to face reality though. Hillary Clinton is in position to be where she is running for president BECAUSE she's Bill Clinton's wife! You can call that sexist if you like, but I'd say that also if it was her sister that was president and she ran as well off her coat-tails. George Bush now wouldn't be president without his father having been president. That's not being sexist, that is just understanding how the "family dynasty" has worked in so many situations for people like Dubya.

You playing the sexist card is like AIPAC people playing the "anti-semitic" card any time people make some LEGITIMATE criticisms of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Without Bill Clinton, I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton would have made a fine lawyer, and perhaps even run successfully for congress or Senate as well. She's not stupid and could have done so on her own too. But to ignore Bill's influence on her path to success is living in denial. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. People who know me, know that I'm not sexist.

I've offered you many SUBSTANTIVE reasons here why I have a problem supporting her. You continue to deflect from dealing with those as many do that support her. You call me sexist falsely, and also call me a delusional Obama supporter with no basis either. I know it must hurt that many have to deal with the fact that Hillary is no longer viewed as "inevitable" as some marketeers have tried to characterize her as, but them's the facts at this point. Deal with it.

Some day we'll get a woman president. I look forward to that day, especially if she can be a great one and set the path for many more women to follow in her footsteps. I just don't think that Hillary is that person. Sorry!

[enough already]

26. Very well said n/t

[terisan]

16. I am reminded that black men got the vote before women. Following DU has made me realize why.

I think a lot of men and women too have what I call a God the Father complex. They have been indoctrinated in male superiority and want to indoctinate the rest of us.

[Captain_Nemo]

23. I think you nailed it. Bravo! n/t

[Alamom]

49. I agree. nm

[DemCam]

51. Yep 60 years or so.

[Captain_Nemo]

57. people forget how difficult it was for women to go to college, get a job, be treated with respect

prior to the women's movement. Hillary overcame a lot to get where she is. and, she has continually fought back successfully against the republican onslaught. Something we will need if we are to have a democratic president in 2009.

[Mr_Monday]

43. Because she's so high class

that being a woman hardly matters.

[Beacool]

63. Her biggest supporters are lower income voters and those in unions.

Unlike Obama who has the young crowd and the college educated upper middle class as his main demographics.

So, who's more of a populist, Obama or Clinton?

[Mr_Monday]

69. I'm talking about HRC, not her supporters. nt

[Alamom]

50. The All Boy's Club. It's very obvious.

No Girls Allowed.

[Captain_Nemo]

53. It's time to break it up.

[Clanfear]

58. I would hate to think we are picking a candidate based on just gender.

Which seems to be the context of your prose.

[Captain_Nemo]

59. How is that the context when the post is about why the same level of analysis

isn't given to Hillary that is given to Barack? He gets all the accolades for potentially being the first African American to become President when the more experienced candidate, with a feminist background, who overcame a sexist America prior to the women's liberation movement gets treatment as if she were a white, religous right conservative who could give a shit about women and minorities.

Her background and experience is just pissed upon. I am trying to remind people that prior to the women's liberation movement women suffered from quotas in colleges and universities, getting birth control or an abortion was illegal or at least frowned upon, females were shuttled into gender based roles and Hillary was one of the people that helped change all of that for us.

Can she get any credit?

I am voting for her because she is the most experienced. Not because she's female. But when a lot of people tout his race I have to finally start stepping in to tout her gender. Fair is fair.

[Captain_Nemo]

60. Maybe you should take a look at this.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3661776&page=1t...

McGovern then explained all the reasons why Clinton would likely secure his backing. One of them was clearly loyalty -- Clinton worked for McGovern during his 1972 run for the White House.

"I got to know her 35 years ago," McGovern said. "She and her boyfriend, Bill Clinton, took over the McGovern organization in Texas. They did a terrific job against impossible odds. I never forgot that. They worked night and day in that state."

McGovern said that he was "impressed by the experience she had as first lady. I know some people say it's not governing experience, but it really is. You're at the elbow of the power broker. She was there for all the decisions." He said he was impressed with her performance at the debates and her ability to win large re-election margins in both New York City and upstate New York.

[Beacool]

62. Oh no, there's no sexism in this country.

Let's see, in the past year alone Hillary has been called the following by either the so called media and/or by the enlightened voters:

- Shrill
- Hag
- Witch
- Satan's bride, daughter, etc.
- Antichrist
- Lesbian
- Jezebel
- Whore of Babylon (not to be confused with just a run of the mill whore)
- Bitch

Etc., etc., etc.

Also, her laughter has been called a "cackle" and there have been plenty of comments about her hair, make-up, weight, legs, ankles, butt, age, wrinkles and the all time favorite this summer: cleavage.

It's enough to make any woman sick to her stomach and want to scream foul!!!!!

[Cameron27]

66. I can't believe the sexism

and the hypocrisy associated with it that exists in this race. Someone called an elderly Democratic woman who was defending Clinton, an old heifer, and I got one of those lame 'whaaaa, you're just like Taylor Marsh' snotty backhand insults when I told him to take his sexist BS somewhere else.

I thought Clinton's brightest moment during the debate was when she got angry, but MSM tell that no, that was the moment when she lost control. It's everywhere, it's stunning and it's not recognized.

[mtnsnake]

67. Obama might beat her, but if he doesn't, the sexism will do her in. That much is obvious

If anyone saw the frong pages of some of the big newspapers that Morning Joe showed this morning, you'd know what I'm talking about. They included the NY Post and a paper out of Boston, I forget its name. Even Mika, Joe's hot sidekick, was disgusted at the sexism displayed.

I'm not going to take anything away from Obama, the guy is earning his keep with some inspiring rhetoric, but all throughout this there is a massive effort going on to derail Hillary, and the sexism being used to do it is sickening to watch. That alone makes me feel bad for Hillary.

[Captain_Nemo]

73. It's sickening for every female in America - women and girls. This obama thing is cultish.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

70. Because she wouldn't have a chance if she wasn't someone's wife

Yes, she did do all those things, but none of those things would have propelled her to where she is, now, imo. Most men and women can't move to a different state, run for senator and win, which then propelled her forward to this campaign. She could do it because she was well known as Bill Clinton's wife.