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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:46 AM
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My mother-in-law (a Republican) told me Sat. night several of her GOP friends were backing Obama
Now, many Obama supporters on DU, especially a few who are newcomers, will have to forgive those of us who look at Obama's "can't we all just get along" nature with suspicion. Many of us who are loyal not only to the Clintons but also other party institutions still have open wounds, teeth marks, from past experiences of extending our hands in friendship to the modern (post 1980) Republican party.

What we wanted in 2008, and still do, is someone who can inflict those wounds on the opposition in return. We're tired of our poodles getting mauled by their pit bulls. Be want a pit bull or two of our own.

Would I like to see a return to the time when politics was just a day job and Democrats and Republicans broke for dinner and drinks together afterwards? Sure. Can Barack Obama do that? Maybe - with a little help from an extended and expanded hold on Congress and the Senate from the Dems and the GOP brand's sinking public support.

Could Hillary? Probably not, but I base that on the admittedly cynical yet realistic belief the GOP isn't ready to play nice with anyone just yet, especially a Clinton.

Which brings me back to the conversation with my mother-in-law. After she dropped that bombshell she said they'd all read "The Audacity of Hope" and like what they read. She swore there was no strategic mission from Republicans to deny Hillary the nomination by backing Obama, and even asked if there was, wouldn't (white, Southern) Edwards be more palatable to Republicans? (I'm sure she was referring to the "old" Edwards.)

Interesting?

I have posted on several occasions on DU that I believe Obama is a new Democrat at heart, DLC without actually being a member of the DLC. If you think I'm insulting him, I am not. For the most part, the policies of the DLC are very close to what I personally believe politically.

In his book, Obama touts welfare reform of the 90s, recommends some kind of private investment accounts as a companion to Social Security, condemns single-issue advocacy (what some call special interest) group politics Dems have pandered to for decades, and praises free market capitalism. More recently, he's proposed a form of National Service. All things the DLC have pushed for 20 years, all things I agree with to some degree, and all things rank and file Republicans can live with, obviously.

And before I'm accused of taking anything Obama has written in his book out of context, believe me, I have studied "New Democratic" politics for six years or so. It is a fact - Obama is pushing many DLC bread-and-butter policies. Others on DU and other progressive sites have also pointed this out as a negative. To me, it is a positive.

With another senate term or two under his belt, Obama would be close to the perfect candidate for me. If he should go on to win the nomination, I will have no problem supporting him with my time and money.

But as long as Clinton is still in, I still support her.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:47 AM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:53 AM
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4. No, I disgree.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 10:54 AM by wyldwolf
He does have a lot of support from Republicans and Independents, but that isn't where most of his support comes from.

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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:02 AM
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6. yes we are all republicans...
shucks.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:11 AM
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11. We love the Republican Corporations. Let's sit peacefully in the temple with the moneychangers .
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:14 AM
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12. Darn! They figured it out.
We would have succeeded, if it weren't for those snoopy kids! ;)
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:06 AM
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8. Yes, including the kid I heard on the radio this morning
He's a college kid I knew from the 2004 Kucinich campaign when he started the state's website. He was being interviewed by MN Public Radio for a class he was taking where the students worked on campaigns.

Right now, he's in some small town in NH, busting his ass for Obama. This kid was also a solid Kerry supporter in 2004 after the nomination, despite the fact he was only 16 and not able to vote yet.

So your contention that Obama supporters are all DINOS and GOPS is a giant crock of crap.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:23 AM
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19. DINO? GOPER? Way,Way, off the mark. I agree.


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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:15 AM
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13. NO - All of these "kids" (age 25 and under) that came out to
the caucus in my precinct, in which 555 people participated, were NOT Republican "agents". I'm 99% sure the large majority of them had probably not even voted before (many of them wouldn't have been legally eligible anyway), and were clearly drawn by the entire Obama phenomenon...
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:21 AM
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17. You are probably right
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 11:22 AM by surfermaw
On CSPAN some woman called in and said the republicans were laughing in the streets in Houston, because Obama was leading in race. Come November they will be laughing about voting against him, I live in republican stronghold, they wouldn't vote for a democrat if he was Jesus...Theyare saying the same. Not trying to be ugly,just telling what I heard and what I know for a fact here where I live
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:31 AM
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23. Jesus was a liberal
O8)
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:23 AM
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18. So, what percent will it take to win in 2008? 51%? What percent will a candidate that
only attracts Dems and some independents get?

IMHO, someone who attracts the most voters is the one to back. I want to win not just piss on someone else's parade.

I don't have a favorite and most likely will sit out the primaries. I will vote for the Dem candidate but no one at DU has convinced me their favorite should get my support. This is the most childish campaign season I have ever seen at DU and I have been here a long time.

If Hillary can win I hope she is the nominee, if Obama or Edwards can win I hope they are the nominee.

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:28 AM
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21. How doesn't a comment like this get one banned from DU? nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:50 AM
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2. yep... that speaks volumes..
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 10:52 AM by sam sarrha
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:55 AM
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5. all of that is true, of course
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:35 AM
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24. all of anything is never true....
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:52 AM
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3. wyld, Hillary is extremely skilled and capable, and she might
come back to win the nomination, so don't give up on her. However, I'm very happy you are starting to consider in a positive way the possibility of an Obama presidency.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:02 AM
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7. Good post
Your take on Obama's ideology hits the nail on the head. I almost think it is a generational thing. Those of us who are post-boomers who have held office often reject the shrill, interest group approach and tend to veer off the conventional left versus right spectrum. Obama's willingness to go beyond old partisan shibboleths is what makes him such an appealing candidate to me.

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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:08 AM
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9. You convinced me. Huckabee!
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crawfish Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:10 AM
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10. A repub friend told me...
That if Obama is nominated, he'll vote for him simply because he's black. He thinks it's time for a black president, no matter which party.

Of course, he's not giving Clinton the same consideration.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:17 AM
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14. Transparent, transparent, transparent. Oh, and pathetic. And I'm an Edwards supporter.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:10 PM
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28. yeah, well, I've been called much worse on DU...
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:17 AM
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15. He is an evangelical that comforts them with his views on morality...
and his non-threatening attitudes on race.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:21 AM
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16. Well Put,Indeed. People of good will can disagree.
Stick to yuor guns.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:28 AM
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20. To me...Obama's past gives me hope that he will govern responsibly...
Failed Presidents are those that stick to a dogma regardless of the situation...I am reasonably sure Obama would not be that kind of President...

Edwards on the other hand, is campaigning in such a way to make it almost impossible for him to govern effectively...and that worries me

Either he will be at constant loggerheads with Democrats in Congress...with no progress and harming the Party in the process...or

He will revert to being the centrist-conservative that he was a Senator...and completely lose the support of those that propelled him to the nomination...

As leery as I am about Obama...Edwards is a far riskier and less appealing candidate...

But like the OP...I continue to believe Hillary is by far the best candidate and would be a great President were she to get the chance...and I will support her until she bows out!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:30 AM
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22. That's jaw dropping
coming from you. It's funny how personal experiences affect peoples lives.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:40 AM
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27. Wyld is realizing Obama is the future.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:36 AM
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25. Most of the country is ready to move forward with our agenda
We outpolled the Republicans 2-to-1 in Iowa. We're happy with our candidates, they're a mess. After three decades, the Reagan revolution is a spent force. Most people finally see they need for government to resolve big issues like health care and energy, to protect them from an ownership society that only works really well for the owners and to exchange chest thumping on the world stage for diplomacy.

A third of the country is unreachable for us, two-thirds is either on board or in play, depending on the issue. What's needed is an appealing and serious-minded messenger who can take those folks down our path, someone who will be able to talk over the heads of a cynical media directly to Americans because they're willing to give him a fair hearing. That's why Obama works right now and Clinton doesn't. Who's the better person for here and now? As you rightly imply, this is not about policy differences.

Obama has never been and never will be a country club politician. He will open up the processes of government as much as possible, expose special interest arguments to the light of day, and use the information coming out of that dynamic to mobilize public opinion and encourage the grass roots to exert pressure on wavering Congressmen. This will be exhausting, but it's what he promises to do. And he'll be doing it a time when Americans are ready for what we have to offer them.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:39 AM
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26. our agenda is pretty good till a Fienstien drills a hole in our boat looking for gold
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