Our Hillary tells it for real and tears up in the process

[NewHampster]

One of the most incredible moments I've ever seen in politics.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4097366

If you can't take the time to watch then take your comments elsewhere please.

[Colobo]

1. It's been posted already, New...

Hey, it seems like your state is Obama's territory now...

[NewHampster]

11. It might seem that way

But when we send all the kids home to Iowa it gets quiet.

Your guy is running such a new style campaign that they fly in 17 year old kids to rally and Boo Hillary. Then have them on the next plane out of town.

Gotta love that new style of Politics.

Go BaRockStar

[Colobo]

15. Whatever he's doing is working.

[ananda]

33. Yeah, what's working for Obama is..

.. running as a Reep in Dem clothing.

Puke.

[Colobo]

36. Wow... such bitterness...

I'm hopeful you will rally around him when he's our nominee. What a big victory he will bring to us in November.

[NewHampster]

56. I've always said I would

And I will support any Nominee but Obama. If he is the nominee the Bloomberg is my guy.

They have run the ugliest campaign this side of Romney's. Nobody can top Romney for pure low down dirty.

One of our volunteers caught Romney people pulling Hillary lawn signs by the highway and replacing with theirs.

Obamadroids do that at night at least.

[BenDavid]

77. Obama has a messianic complex, which should scare each of

us. This morning telling some guy and crowd that election day the heavens will open and a light will shine down and tell you to vote for me (obama). We had enough of a president saying he was choosen by G-d and he heard the voice of G-d. We sure do not need another one that hears voices......

My only problem, well I have two problems with obama. First, he only has a one page resume and it is not all that inspiring, plus I want to know if he comdemns his mentor Jeremiah Wright he wrote about in his book for his (wright's) anti Jew and anti Israel rantings?

NH, I agree obama and his campaign folks have ran a rather underground nasty campaign. Maybe that is where the obama folks in here get their marching orders from and call all us who say anything negative against obama they come back with me being called a racist. Calling the Clintons racist. Calling the Clintons anti-muslim. Disliking children with autism. You get the picture....Thanks for all you have given and I will stay with hrc till the last dog dies......

Obama, a man with an unimpressive one page resume and he wants to be president......

Shalom,
Ben David

[NewHampster]

79. Today's mail for AFSME

First day on the job for the new pres...

48 Million Americans without health care looking for relief...

Global Warming getting worse by the day...

A prime minister is on the phone: They've lost a warhead....

How can we be sure the new president is ready?

<open the piece>

Send in the right woman for the job.

[alteredstate]

64. I invite you to canvass with me

in the precincts where I've spent my free time for the last nine months --- in North Charleston South Carolina, just named "the 7th most dangerous city in the US". You'll witness first-hand how Senator Obama has given hope to those who have been disenfranchised and who believed their vote doesn't matter.

It's time for a change, and if Barack Obama wins, South Carolina and the United States will change for the better.

[babylonsister]

2. I've seen it and I say 'ugh'. Don't include me in your 'Our'. nt

[ORDagnabbit]

3. maybe when she cries in front of the leader of North Korea it will look more powerful.

yeah not a fan of the corporate, i've never met a war I wouldnt support presidential candidate

[progressivebydesign]

31. I thought evolution would have wiped out the chauvanists by now.

My bad.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. George W. Bush: "It's hard work!"

:eyes:

[Colobo]

5. GWB: "It's tough to be stupid!"

[Diane R]

6. My heart goes out to her....but that doesn't make me want her as my President.

[Renew Deal]

7. Oh, our poor baby

:cry:

[maddiejoan]

8. wow

I'm speechless.

That was an incredibly honest heartfelt moment.

I've been her supporter for awhile now.

But I think I just fell in love with her.

[emilyg]

37. I love her more.

[maddiejoan]

45. Nuh uh

Seriously --she sheds the same tears about where this country has gone that I do.

But she will be attacked for this --because Obama and Edwards have the trademark on passion™

[emilyg]

80. If Edwards/Obama had welled up - they'd be

called sensitive, feeling, passionate. Go figure.

[maddiejoan]

85. and people wonder why

Hillary is usually reserved.

Sheeesh. Let out 2 minutes of emotion and all of a sudden she's TOO emotional.

[donheld]

99. seeing that, finally, I'll have to say

It's the best side of her I've probably every seen.

[juajen]

9. I really, really, think she is the one to turn our country around.

Good luck, Hillary!

[ronnykmarshall]

10. I hate this place more and more each day.

[juajen]

20. I know what you mean. They are insidious and relentless.

You would think this was Free Republic. I also am sick of them spraying their poison everywhere. I hate they call themselves dems. I think Obama is much better than his supporters. For the sake of this country if he wins, I certainly hope so.

[donheld]

100. Some of these people

Wouldn't be moved by Hillary no matter how sincere she delivered the best speech she could ever give. I thought the bible beaters I used to fight with were the only ones like that. The things I've seen from DUers has really put me off in a big way.

[calico1]

35. You and me both. n/t

[avaistheone1]

12. I think if Hillary could talk in that voice and with that sincerity AND

provide us with the details of where she wants to take America I think she could still take the nomination.

BTW I am a John Edwards supporter.

[NewHampster]

60. That's almost her normal voice

when you see her in person. In debates I think she's still trying to compete with the boys.

Must be a girl thing.

[indimuse]

87. The voice..

This was a rare glimpse...and yes her voice..I heard a sincere concern and deep conviction for WHY she is out there today. So...yes it is personal...she Hillary for a moment let SEE her.

Thanks for the post...

AND to ALL you haters...FUCK OFF!

[Avalux]

13. Not incredible.

I will vote for Hillary if it comes down to it, but George Bush has teared up plenty of times; means nothing.

[Thrill]

14. Comes across as soft

We can't have a president that is going to cry when it gets rough

[suston96]

16. Sorry, I saw no tears. Her voice a little hoarse fer sure.....but no tears.

I did listen to her words though. Was I supposed to?

[maddiejoan]

46. No

If you listen to Clinton you might start liking her.

That's what happened to me.

[Sparkly]

17. Remember how people attacked Pat Schroeder?

Did you think America -- even our "liberals" -- had evolved from then?

Get ready. They haven't.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. You're right they haven't.

My ignore list climbs more and more every day.

[Renew Deal]

24. I looked her up because of your post.

Here's what I found:

On September 28, 1987, when Rep. Patricia Schroeder announced she had decided not to run for president, she burst into tears and said, "I couldn’t figure out a way to run. There must be a way, but I haven't figured it out yet." Political women spent a long time defending those tears, but behind the scenes they were mortified.

Much has happened in the past 15 years, and while no woman has made it to the White House – or even into the presidential primaries – women candidates have figured out a lot. They know how to raise money, how to run a campaign and how to handle the brutal give and take of modern politics without dissolving into tears.
<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/06/opinion/lynch/main517709.shtml

[Sparkly]

48. Your article is from 2002, but that's essentially right.

She was attacked like crazy. There was a HUGE debate and controversy over it. The question: Does crying make a woman too weak to be the political equal of men?

The feminist answer was NO.

Apparently, it's still okay for men to get teary-eyed -- but for a woman? It's "dissolving into tears." And we see the criticisms here.

The more I watch DU attack Clinton, the more astonished I am at what I THOUGHT was a progressive community.

[Renew Deal]

53. The greatest thing that I appreciate from DU is how much I learn from others.

Your OP is an example of that. It's not all bad here. The primaries are always tough. :patriot:

[Pachamama]

I'll never forget - and I loved her answer that "whoever is President and has the power to push a

Nuclear button, should be able to cry"...

[Sparkly]

50. Thank you. nt

:thumbsup:

[Tarc]

18. Wish she would have done this earlier

Not getting teary per se, but just coming across as more human an in touch.

[LanternWaste]

70. She's seemed pretty human to me, as have all the Democratic candidates...

She's seemed to have had pretty human touch to me, as have all the Democratic candidates...

[autorank]

21. Oops.

[sueh]

22. I watched. It's Hillary *Unplugged*.

Yes, she choked up a bit, but listen to her words and what she is saying. She is giving her *stump speech* in a softer, gentle tone.

[The Ghost]

23. WHAT?!

Are you for real? You dont see how that fake that is? You cant possible be that dense! I love the pause right before she tears up, like she forcing the tears to start. Looks like there is one actor that can show up at the Golden Globes.

[loveangelc]

82. Yeah, I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but if those tears were real

its not so much about Hillary being concerned imo as her being frustrated at the fact that she is losing. The reality is really setting in that her cakewalk to the presidency just may not be happening.

[Laurab]

93. Indeed - she managed to get a few attacks in

through her teary eyed concern - subtle, but there nonetheless. I'm sorry I can't believe, if those tears were real, that they were for anyone but HRC.

[killbotfactory]

25. So... the "American Thatcher" thing hasn't been going very well, I take it.

[Alexander]

26. Arrrgh....dupe

[Alexander]

27. Edmund Muskie's "crying" moment cost him the 1972 election.

Am I the only DUer who is aware that crying, or even being perceived as crying, costs people elections?

By the way, I saw the video and it didn't look like Hillary cried at all. Her voice shook, but there were no tears.

[progressivebydesign]

39. I didn't see any crying either.. just emotion and passion. n/t

[LanternWaste]

71. It may have cost elections 35 years ago

"m I the only DUer who is aware that crying, or even being perceived as crying, costs people elections?"

It may have cost elections 35 years ago, but as we have both a female and an African-American on our slate of very strong and very viable candidates, I'm thinking we've moved past the litmus tests we put our candidates to 35 years ago...

[Egnever]

28. Watched it

And while many will condemn her for her tears, I think if she had been showing a more human side like this for months she wouldnt be in the predicament she is now.

Having said that she went right back to the some are right some are wrong BS. I dont agree with some of our candidates platform proposals but I dont think any of them are wrong. I think they all want the best for our country and all have plans to do what they think will make it better.

So while it did pull at the heartstrings for a minute she ruined it with her ending.

[DrFunkenstein]

29. Crying Right Through Her Attack of Obama's Candidacy

You should have suggested that people turn the sound off. It might seem like she is getting choked up about the sufferings of people without heat...or one of the thousands of families that have lost loved ones because Democrats like her were afraid to look "vulnerable" by standing up to Bush when it counted.

[Meshuga]

59. Be nice!

How's Buenos Aires treating you?

[Pawel K]

30. This is the question that makes her tear up? You have got to be kidding me

even if this is genuine, which to be perfectly honest I don't think it is, how is this the question that makes her emotional? Her vote for Iraq certainly doesn't seem to make her very emotional. When talking about all those Iraqi children that died under Clinton's administration, all half a million of them, she doesn't seem to get very emotional. But when asked "how she does it" she tears up? Give me a fucking break.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Thanks for posting, NewHampster. I wish there were more kindness among us here --

there's always the option, as you say, just not to post a response.

[AngryAmish]

34. So up until now it wasn't for real?

[jgraz]

43. You couldn't tell that?

It's really a tragedy. Maybe the real Hillary would be someone everybody could vote for. But the programmed automaton we've seen over the past few months is what lost her this campaign.

I hope the debate on Saturday and this New Hampshire loss will be a real turning point for her. If we're going to make the right choice, we really need to see the true candidates and not some mask their advisors have constructed.


That having been said, I'm still voting for Edwards. :P

[progressivebydesign]

38. Ok I watched. She is NOT crying, she is tired and has emotion to her voice.

How utterly sick and sad that people are breathlessly attacking her for feeling PASSIONATE about America and the election. Is there another website community I can join where people actually don't spend all day attacking Hillary? Because this obsession with that clip today really shows the depths of hatred by other candidate's supporters or paid instigators. I watched it and it was so powerful, and poignant, and real. It was not "weak", it was not "hormonal", not "a Muskie moment". It was a tired yet passionate person. And I WANT someone who has that passion for the job.

Shame on those people that are claiming she's crying for show, or that she's even crying. She's not. I'm am so disappointed in people right now. :(

[earth mom]

40. Oh Boo Hoo! Hillary is feeling sorry...FOR HERSELF.

Spare me. :eyes:

So Hillary knows that she could easily lose and it's hitting her hard...because she's put up with so much-namely Bills infidelity-to get where she is. Well tough shit.


Sorry, but I have NO sympathy for Hillary because

She has sold out the middle class and poor for the sake of greedy corporations and globalization.

She has NOT worked towards stopping the Iraq war,

She has NOT worked towards the Impeachment of * & Cheney.

Etc., etc., etc...that's just the short list.

:nopity:

[progressivebydesign]

41. "golden rule" ?? Oh, the irony. n/t

[earth mom]

65. So attack me personally and not the message, right?

FYI-my user name is directed at people like Hillary in Washington DC who have run rough shod over the good people of this country for far too long.

Excuse me, but who is screwing over who here? Who is not practicing the Golden Rule?

I'll tell you who: Hillary and * and Cheney and the rest of the a$$holes in Washington DC who have hurt the majority of the people of this country in so many ways that are too numerous to list here.

Furthermore, I've done NOTHING to hurt Hillary or anyone in Washington DC, yet their behavior has hurt me, my family, friends, relatives and much of the population of the United States who are not rich.

But when I point out what they have done, instead of addressing their crimes on humanity, I get drive by personal attacks about me and my user name, which isn't about me-but about THEM-THE POWERS THAT BE.

Unfuckingbelievable.

:wtf:

[anamandujano]

49. Has Obama done the opposite?

"She has sold out the middle class and poor for the sake of greedy corporations and globalization.

She has NOT worked towards stopping the Iraq war,

She has NOT worked towards the Impeachment of * & Cheney."

Sorry but, if you're going to criticize certain behavior, it might be nice to provide some evidence that your man has done something positive in those areas. Can't do it, huh?

[earth mom]

66. Obama is a corporatist just like Hillary. nt

[ellisonz]

94. Your sig line is ironic.

"First, it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

[Politicub]

42. Just wow - I hadn't seen the video yet

Hillary made me tear up!

She's the real deal, folks.

I'm almost nervous about putting this comment out there. While I have a pretty thick skin, It's getting tiring being attacked for nearly every post I make supporting Hillary. But while she's on the trail working her butt off, it's the least I can do to continue to defend her and her record, as well as try and get people to the polls to vote for her in Georgia.

I know once we get past the nomination, the democrats will unite around the candidate. Well, most of us will anyway.

[jgraz]

44. Damn, where the hell has that person been for the past 8 years?

Someone has been giving her very, very bad advice.

[JVS]

57. Marching right along with the going backwards that she doesn't want to see.

[Alamom]

61. More like "Marching backwards in High Heels. "

It's required.

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. that was one of the most incredible moments you've ever seen in politics?

how long have you been watching, five minutes?

I mean, I watched the video. It sounded really believable until she started going on about how some people are ready to lead from day one and some arean't and some people haven't fully thought through what they'd do when they became president.

She might have been sincere in the tears - and I believe she was at that moment - but it was all negated by her soft attacks at the end of that video.

[Sparkly]

52. So, it's okay as long as she stops her ambitions.

She can be "believable" until it's clear she's still actually running for president.

:eyes:

[THUNDER HANDS]

62. she can be believable

when she says that it's been hard for her. that's fine.

But she crossed the line when she sucks up hear tears and starts railing against Obama and Edwards. Then it becomes calculating and makes you question the authenticity of the whole thing.

[Jersey Devil]

51. What tears? I didn't see any tears

I saw the video and she sounded like a very tired candidate who was trying to speak softly to preserve whatever might be left of her strength in a grueling campaign. I thought she sounded more sincere than I have ever heard her before frankly and I am an Edwards supporter.

[JVS]

54. LOL! Hilarious!

:rofl:

[oasis]

75. Our nation faces crisis and chaos but some think it's funny to show concern.

Good luck to you.

[JVS]

78. Maybe you need to have a good cry. Then you'd feel better about it all.

[oasis]

89. No need to cry. President Huckabee will have little impact on my life.

Those 3 Supreme Court Judges that Huck'll appoint, will make shitty decisions, no doubt. However, none of them will alter my daily routine.

[JNelson6563]

55. I like that clip

A humanizing moment.

Julie

[Rock_Garden]

58. She will always be our Hillary, Hampster.

[ChiciB1]

63. Those Words Sound Like The Same Words Edwards Has Been Saying

all along! This is "personal for me" and we've ALL seen him say this over and over!

I will say it presents a very plausible point, and she seems sincere, but I also wonder... Why Now??

Check out most of John Edwards' speeches or ads, these are the same words. Guess his message is actually the REAL ONE!

[NewHampster]

67. Why now? Because she's getting beat up here in NH

It's not a game to her and she's doing everything she can to win.

[Joe the Revelator]

68. The people who think this wasn't a staged question by a plant..

are suckers. Plain and simple. Welcome to politics kid.

[Yuugal]

69. Tough crowd here

I for one believe she was sincere with her emotion. Too bad she didn't ditch the DLC crowd and that cheating baggage carousel of a husband and run as a human right from the start.

[oasis]

76. I'd rather dump a load of dimwit Democrats into the Atlantic. (eom)

[mtnsnake]

72. K&R for tears! yeah

or choking up. That's good enough for me. The Goddess of Peace is officially on her comeback.

[CRH]

73. For those who feel politicians should have no emotion, ...

They should realize the alternative is their leaders will by definition be, sociopaths.

There are times when what we work very hard for, when what we believe in very strongly seems to drift farther away, and emotion is a natural expression.

I remember after many letters to the editor, organizing many busses for peace marches, attending many demonstrations and gatherings, living many hours of many days with hope and in defiance of the odds of failure and eventual outcome; when the first bombs fell on Iraqi civilians and I realized the majority of people in my own country polled their approval, tears rolled down my cheeks.

I am not a Hillary fan, and I do not agree with her politics, but I do believe she is sincere, and I am much less worried of her show of emotion, than if she displayed none.

I guess I'll have to work on my stoic macho male image and manner.

[Cameron27]

74. She was sincere,

she's a very strong woman who was speaking sincerely. Thanks for posting.

[burythehatchet]

81. That was THE most incredible thing I've ever seen

I'm moved, shaken, stirred and spent. I'm not sure I can go on.

[hayu_lol]

83. Its really easy for the guys to run for the presidency...

the templates are in place and have been for 200 years. For a woman however, the template does not exist.

She has to do everything by trial and error. Not making excuses for Hillary, but when she attempts to be one of the guys, the response from our male bastion of bastards here is that "she is too cold and calculating."

When she opens up with honesty and emotion, the same bunch of B******* attack her for being a woman. Do none of you see that she can't win with you. No matter what she attempts, you beat her down. You don't, beat the guys down the same way. Perhaps your attitudes were learned when you were towel-slapping asses in gym in school.

Of all the candidates, Hillary is probably the best of the bunch. She is undoubtedly ready to go on 'Day One.'

At this point, I am making the assumption that Obama has a wrap on the nominee's job if he can just continue to stand in place and wear a suit well.

It would seem that earlier assumptions about males were correct. And, I R one.

Think about it guys, you attack Hillary no matter which method of campaigning she attempts. Something basically unfair about that. This is not 1880 when women were just commodities and you appear not to be able to adjust to that.

Pity!

[burythehatchet]

84. The problem, my friend, is the perceived lack of authenticity

not sexism, as you allege, at least in my case.

[paulk]

90. where does that "perception" come from?

Sixteen years of the MSM telling you that she lacks authenticity?

[burythehatchet]

92. You're goofy

[paulk]

95. why don'tyou answer the question?

can you answer the question?

I don't think so...

[desi]

86. Thanks for posting NH

Good luck to Hillary and y'all Good Democrats in NH tomorrow.

K&R

[frogmarch]

88. I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Sen. Clinton didn't "lose it." She showed great passion and commitment. That's what I saw. Her voice cracked a little once, but she recovered and went on to speak from her heart. I came away liking her more than I ever had before.

[FlyingSquirrel]

91. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

I don't know what to make of it. I think she has finally shown a real personal side, and I like to see candidates' personal side. Unfortunately, I think Hillary Clinton is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. She shows a personal side, she looks weak. She doesn't show a personal side, she looks like a cast iron "you know what".

It really illustrates how difficult it is to be a woman in this country who wants to be in a position of power. My wife (only 30 years old) seems pretty much against her which kind of surprises me a little.

I personally think that the net effect of this, if shown constantly by the media ala Howard Dean will be negative. I think she was just tired and let her guard down. I think if it doesn't get a lot of publicity then it won't make much difference.

[sojourner]

96. I did watch it, but....and this isn't meant as an attack, but it seemed

that all she did was get a little emotional, "waxing sentimental" about her country (hurray for her!), and take the opportunity to try to match Edwards' "It's personal" line with her own. No problem...it's politics after all. She needs people to see her as more than a politically savvy creature, and a little "breakdown" can go a long way toward creating that impression.

Real or feigned, her emotionality ought to be taken as a part of the human condition. My "hubby" often tears up. No sign of weakness in my eyes. Ditto for HRC. But then, I didn't think Dean's scream was anything to freak out about, nor do I think there's a problem with Edwards getting a little angry about the inequities in America. To paraphrase someone in another thread, it's the empty gaze of a sociopath that I see reflected in GWB's beady eyes that scares me.

[Pachamama]

97. My sentiments EXACTLY!!!

:applause:

[ButterflyBlood]

98. Imagine how teary Hillary will be after losing NH

LOL.