Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Playing the Class Card

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:37 PM
Original message
Playing the Class Card
Playing the Class Card
Robert Scheer
Posted January 9, 2008 | 02:06 PM (EST)


As long as Hillary Clinton, and now Gloria Steinem, has chosen to play the women's card against the race card, let me throw in a third one: the class card. Clinton claimed in the New Hampshire primary debate that she is the unmistakable agent for change because she is a woman and her election as president would send a strong signal of a new day aborning to America and the rest of the world. It is hoped that it would be a more progressive message than the one sent by Margaret Thatcher's ascent in England.

Steinem put a finer point on the argument in her New York Times commentary, published Tuesday, New Hampshire's primary election day, arguing that women get wonderfully more "radical" as they age, and therefore older women are more inclined to vote for Clinton, Steinem's preferred candidate, as opposed to Barack Obama, whom younger women went for in Iowa. Maybe those younger women were more worried about how to pay off college loans or swelling mortgage obligations than gender identity.

What is radical about voting for a corporate lawyer who, in defense of her Arkansas savings and loan shenanigans, once said you can't be a lawyer without working for banks? Steinem boasts of Clinton's "unprecedented eight years of on-the-job training in the White House" without referencing the Clinton White House's giveaways to corporate America at the expense of poor and working Americans, the majority of them being women. Sen. Clinton's key election operative, Mark Penn, was the other half of the Dick Morris team that recast populist Bill Clinton as the master of triangulation.

I am not trying to play the class card here by claiming that because Obama grew up black and middle-class he will therefore inevitably be that rare politician who remembers where he or she came from. Bill Clinton, who came from a poor family, disproved the notion about remembering. To his everlasting shame as president, Clinton supported and signed welfare legislation that shredded the federal safety net for the poor from which he personally had benefited. He faithfully served big corporate interests by signing off on Gramm-Leach-Bliley, the Financial Services Modernization Act, which, as a gift to the banks, insurance companies and stockbrokers, reversed consumer protection legislation from the New Deal era. Thanks to Bill Clinton, those pirates were allowed to merge into the largest conglomerates the world has ever witnessed and, adding insult to injury, to "data-mine," thus sharing your most intimate financial and health information. Bill Clinton's next biggest concession to the fat cats was the Telecommunications Act, which ended what was left of public control of the airwaves and permits mega-media corporations to grow even bigger. No wonder Rupert Murdock and Hillary Clinton now get on so famously.

snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-scheer/playing-the-class-card_b_80731.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
1. Playing the Class Card
first paragraph: "let me throw in a third one: the class card"

fourth paragraph: "I am not trying to play the class card here"


Which is it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. He qualifies the second quote you posted...
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:48 PM by redqueen
"by claiming that because..."

So that means he's playing it, just not for the reason he went on to say he wasn't playing it for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
2. was obama middle class
seemed at least upper middle by my score card


not old money, but neither was Hillary IIRC
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Obama lower middle-class
Obama was only able to buy a house, after he received the book deal for "The Audacity of Hope". So he is definitely not upper-middle class...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. what does that have to do
with how he grew up?


anyone that graduates from Harvard Law has already become upper class to me regardless of finances
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. Middle, not upper middle
As an adolescent his grandparents took him in and took charge of his education and sent him to a good school. But his mother was not well off at all and his father had died. Obama had college loans like most people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
3. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
5. Who gave Huff the R's talking points????? Huh??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. I wouldn't call these R talking points.
I am not trying to play the class card here by claiming that because Obama grew up black and middle-class he will therefore inevitably be that rare politician who remembers where he or she came from. Bill Clinton, who came from a poor family, disproved the notion about remembering. To his everlasting shame as president, Clinton supported and signed welfare legislation that shredded the federal safety net for the poor from which he personally had benefited. He faithfully served big corporate interests by signing off on Gramm-Leach-Bliley, the Financial Services Modernization Act, which, as a gift to the banks, insurance companies and stockbrokers, reversed consumer protection legislation from the New Deal era. Thanks to Bill Clinton, those pirates were allowed to merge into the largest conglomerates the world has ever witnessed and, adding insult to injury, to "data-mine," thus sharing your most intimate financial and health information. Bill Clinton's next biggest concession to the fat cats was the Telecommunications Act, which ended what was left of public control of the airwaves and permits mega-media corporations to grow even bigger. No wonder Rupert Murdock and Hillary Clinton now get on so famously.

What points are you talking about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. The concept of the "card" (as in trump card) is a RW talking point.
It inherently undermines the validity of a minority's argument against a majority. Does anyone ever say that Falwell is playing the "christian card"? No. Does anyone say that someone is playing the "white" card or the "straight" card or the "male" card? No. Those cards are played every minute of every day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. It sounds like the author is using it (or playing it) in a positive way...
towards Obama.

That's why I posted it here, in support of him.

Why not enjoy the turning of their terms around to use against them, those of the evil movement that calls itself conservative?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
9. Yeah and about 90% of Americans are playing the fucking class card.
Stupid talking RW points. Card. These rich corporations are lucky it's just a card. It should be a goddamned revolution.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. "It should be a goddamned revolution."
Agreed
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. At most you've managed to mention use of a term "playing the ___ card"...
I've yet to hear what RW talking points you claimed this article/editorial has.

I though about it and want to print it, so I'll use this reply to kick it now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
11. The Democrat Disease card, trumps the class card. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC