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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:22 AM
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Hilary, Obama experience comparison
I was wondering what everyone thinks about the differences between Obama and Hillary's performances in Law School?

Obama: graduated high in class, went on to be the president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review

Hillary: graduated low in her class and failed her first attempt at the bar exam

I just think it's important that the canndidates be vetted and compared.

Anybody else have some insightful comparisons?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:24 AM
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1. I don't think that this is at all helpful or useful...
...and I'm an Obama supporter.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:27 AM
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2. I don't think that you can make a comparison.
Not everybody comes roaring out of professional school, ready to conquer the world. It builds slowly for some people.

It's particularly hard for women professionals who also (fairly or not) are often expected to think about balancing marriage and/or children with their careers.

Everyone has a different path in their careers.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:41 AM
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3. True that.
Also, I don't think that a non-ideal college performance necessarily means anything. (Notable achievements are a bit different, and I think legitimate to point out.) I don't think that anyone doubts that Clinton is a hellasharp cookie. Besides, we're not electing people to the Supreme Court, so whether or not a candidate passed the bar on their first try is, I think, irrelevant.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:42 AM
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4. As an Obama supporter
I'd like to say that I think this is just petty stuff.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:08 AM
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22. Agreed. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:43 AM
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5. Hillary's record is long, successful, and laudable.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:46 AM
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6. Wow, classy Obama supporters in this thread. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:47 AM
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7. Heh. The first 5 posts were Obama supporters defending Hillary.
Maybe there's hope for DU after all?
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:16 AM
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10. There's hope for Obama, that's for sure.
I get a sense of who can carry a GE by their base to some extent...If their candidate makes them cool headed and confident, you know he's instilling qualities necessary to resist the Republican Hate machine in the big fight.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:49 AM
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8. Yes. Much appreciated.
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Egalia Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:00 AM
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9. Oh please . . .
That's the best you can do? Hillary Clinton's experience and accomplishments are extensive and considerably more so than Obama's:

Rodham entered Yale Law School where she served on the Board of Editors of Yale Review of Law and Social Action and worked with underprivileged children at the Yale-New Haven Hospital. During the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts. During the summer of 1971, she traveled to Washington to work on Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education. For the summer of 1972, Rodham worked in the western states for the Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern's campaign. During her second year in law school, she volunteered at the Yale Child Study Center, learning about new research on early childhood brain development. She also took on cases of child abuse at New Haven Hospital and worked at the city Legal Services, providing free legal service to the poor. She received a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Yale in 1973, having written her widely recognized thesis on the rights of children <17>, and began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.

During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund. She joined the presidential impeachment inquiry staff advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate Scandal. After President Richard M. Nixon resigned in August of 1974, Rodham became a faculty member (one of only two women in the faculty) at the University of Arkansas Law School, located in Fayetteville, where her Yale Law School classmate and boyfriend Bill Clinton was teaching as well.

In 1975 Rodham and Clinton were married and moved to Little Rock, Arkansas. In 1976, Hillary Rodham joined the Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner of Rose Law Firm <18>. President Jimmy Carter appointed Rodham to the board of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978.

. .. Throughout her time as first lady, Clinton continued to practice law with the Rose Law Firm. In 1988 and 1991 National Law Journal named Clinton one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America <21>.

After Bill Clinton was elected to the White House in 1992, Hillary Rodham Clinton became the First Lady of the United States in 1993. She was the first First Lady to hold a post-graduate degree and the first to have her own successful professional career. <24> She is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history other than Eleanor Roosevelt. <25>

etcetera etcetera etcetera ...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

There's a page for Obama too, but it's shorter.








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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:16 AM
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11. Please, don't confuse them with facts!!!!
:eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:21 AM
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12. "Them?" I hope you're using that word in
the colloquial but technically-incorrect singular, and not in the plural. Every Obama supporter replying has rejected the substance and style of the OP.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:25 AM
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14. Did you even bother to read the positive posts upthread?
Why interject this negativity?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:48 AM
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15. Thanks for reminding me of something...
You know would more than make up for any perceived law school failings? Being part of the legal team that prosecuted Nixon.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:22 AM
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13. Al Gore was a "C" student for much of his time in college
Who would make a better president? Obama or Gore? Obviously Gore.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 AM
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19. I don't believe that contention. LINK? We now have a C student trashing this country.
No more! :(
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:37 AM
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16. JEDNE....
Are there any OTHER candidates who attended law school?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 AM
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21. Viable ones? No.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM
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25. I guess you haven't read the poll...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:16 PM by catnhatnh
in Nevada that has a 3 way tie within the MOE...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM
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17. Come on - I prefer Obama, but this is nonsense
Should we compare kindergarten grades too?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 AM
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18. But HRC "blossomed" in a corporate law firm and standing by her man.
:eyes:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:09 AM
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23. And where do you suppose Obama worked while a part time state legislator...
Why yes, if you guessed at a law firm whose top partner was Tony Rezko's financial partner...you would be correct!!!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:14 AM
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24. Yes, but no one claims that Obama either "nurtured" nor "blossomed"
;)
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 AM
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20. I think it's a ridiculous and irrelevant comparison. NT
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