After One Year of Trying to Prove She Wasn't "Divisive", Hillary Reinforces That Image.

[David Zephyr]

There was a fleeting moment when Hillary Clinton had begun to get her consistent high negatives with the American people closer to 40% and down from the once over 50% which would doom any chance she might have to win the election in 2008. That fleeting moment is now gone.

The Clinton antics which led to her campaign manager in New Hampshire resigning in disgrace and the never ending nastiness that just keeps surfacing has finally reached critical mass. That "divisive image" that the American people had sensed about her has now set like concrete. And it will be the very thing that ends her life time ambition once and for all.

The last thing that Hillary needed was to remind voters of what it was that never liked about her: she's a divisive person.

Meanwhile, every poll shows Barack Obama with favorability ratings almost up to 80%. And while I know her loyal supporters will try to gloss that over, try to diminish what that really means when it comes to elections, I know that there are some of her supporters who are cringing at what she has done in the last week.

Maybe she just can't help it. Maybe it's not her campaign staffers, after all. Maybe it's not just Mark Penn and Terry McAuliff giving her bad advice. Maybe this is really the true Hillary Clinton that I had refused to see all these many years: the one that nearly half of the country always saw.

Well, the tears were nice until they were followed by the nastiness that followed.

We've moved from tears to jeers in just days.

The next favorability polls will prove me right.

She is turning people off in droves.

Democrats really need to take a pause and think about how badly she will be defeated in November if we nominate her. Why?

There are simply too many Americans that really despise her, and rightly or wrongly, I am convinced that it is insurmountable at this late point.

Buyers beware.

[terisan]

1. Democrats need to get backbone and fight the republican Hate Machine, the way she does.

[DJ13]

2. Democrats need to get backbone and fight the republican Hate Machine, the way she does

Not in the primaries.

[TerwilligeRedux]

8. when did she "fight the Republican hate machine"?

and how did she do this?

[fightindonkey]

11. She Set Up "The War Room". Stop Playing Dumb.

[Cha]

16. You don't need to play.

[Cha]

15. hillary didn't fight the fookin' repukes..

she unleashed her wrath on Democrats..like she betrayed some of us in New York who didn't want her to vote for the IWR but she turned her back on us and went with the dlc and the bushits.

hillary and her divisiveness can go down in infamy.

[terisan]

28. She named the right wing hate machine. Your post does not ring true.

[beachmom]

33. She CHIMED IN with the right wing hate machine during the botched joke.

Does anyone here understand what that meant long term? Joining in with Bush, talk radio, and McCain against a fellow Democrat? Do you understand how much she lost at that moment? When Kerry dropped out of the race, where do you think the lion's share of his staffers and donors went? Oh, she wanted them, to be sure, but she had NO CLUE that what she did would be remembered by a lot of people. It was a blatant clear moment when we saw HER ALLY with what used to be her enemies. It was a betrayal, not of Kerry, but of ALL OF US.

[IndianaGreen]

25. Hillary was one of Bush's appeasers

She opposed Kerry's filibuster of Alito, as well as his troop withdrawal plan.

She voted for Kyl-Lieberman giving Bush the green light to bomb Iran, and she herself has threatened Iran.

[terisan]

29. She signed the letter to Bush telling him he could not use Kyl/Lieb to attack Iran

[Skidmore]

38. After she voted for it.

[dionysus]

31. when exactly did that EVER happen?

it's the biggest damn myth out there.

[Barack_America]

3. It's simple: nothing stands between a Clinton and winning an election.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/the-clintons-and-history/index.html?hp

[bellasgrams]

5. Clinton really has had a lot of flak over remarks deliberiately

misqued by Obama and his minions. Neither of the Clintons deserve the crap that has been said about them these past few days. It's dirty politics. I am really disgusted. I thought we had several good choices for President. At this point I can only truly say I support Hillary. If the others don't quit piling it on I'll have a hard some switching my vote if she doesn't win. She is the only one that is actually qualified for the job.

[Cha]

17. Yeah, poor poor hillary ..she

really needs you right now.

[beachmom]

35. The ugliness of her campaign was apparent PRIOR to Iowa.

That is a fact. Are you now going to deny facts?

Meanwhile, Obama has issued the order to stand down. Because he wants to unite this country. He wants YOUR vote, unlike Hillary who spits on my vote every day.

[David Zephyr]

6. All the work, all the effort to lower her image as being divisive down the drain.

She's finished now. She re-inforced all those old negatives once again.

She is a lightening rod and, fairly or unfairly, she self-destructed this last week.

[creeksneakers2]

9. Unfairly

Hillary did nothing that was divisive. The people who twisted what she said were the divisive ones.

[David Zephyr]

10. The facts are that the American people perceive her to be so.

And, it's too late to change that anymore.

She's finished.

[ursi]

4. she's definitely a divider

why didn't anyone know this?

[City Lights]

13. Some of us did.

:hi:

[David Zephyr]

23. I stuck up for since 1992. She's beyond repair when it comes to image.

We're fools if we hitch our wagon to her star. Too many people just hate her.

Maybe you saw it a lot earlier than me. I guess I was blind.

[Yael]

26. It isn't fair to say you were blind

The media had a LOT to do with this. Why I noted that, as distasteful as it is, the eye always needs to stay on the other team. They portrayed her how they wanted based on loose facts and people bought it. Unfair as it may have been, the Clintons had nothing to shoot back as there is always some truth to the underlying basis -- so this is where it ends for them.

Their call now as to whether they go out gracefully or in a spectacular, 90's-style, triangulating fireball.

[Yael]

7. I am going to go on a limb here, and yes, I have my flame proof suit on

Just because there is a right-wing talking point out there doesn't mean that it should be automatically dismissed as utter bullshit. There is normally some truth underlying the tarnished image or it wouldn't have legs to carry it for 15 years.

Yes, the (R) has HIGH unfavorables of her. While it may not be fair, she is considered "vetted" and people have made up their minds. They didn't like her when Bill was president and her lack of charisma plus attack dog politics the last 2 weeks are just cememting this in people's minds.

I would love to vote for a woman for president -- just not one minted in the image of the DLC.

[fightindonkey]

12. Obamafans Need To Wrap Their Heads Around The Fact That He Can't Even Stand Up To Hillary

How is he going to stand up to the Right?

[dailykoff]

14. He's opened up a lead over her in Nevada.

He can handle the right.

[sb5697]

18. So you wanted him to do

what--personally get into an no-win verbal battle publicly? That would be real smart. Looks to me like he let Hillary hang herself....sometimes keeping quiet is the best plan.

[dailykoff]

19. She got herself booed at an MLK day event -- IN FREAKIN' NEW YORK!!!

A union audience in her home state boos her. She's a genius alright. :crazy:

[sb5697]

20. The woman just seems

to have poor judgment.

[terisan]

30. Darn these women! How about calling her the Senator or the candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Good Catch

How fucking pejorative, "the woman"...

[sb5697]

39. Thanks but I can refer to her any way I like. Find something better

to do with your time. If you're not adult enough to handle it then move on. You probably support her because that response sounds just like something that would come from her. An attempt to dictate how someone else should speak or act.

[CyberPieHole]

46. Speak or act anyway you like around here and then enjoy your dinner...

As for me, I'm reaching for the iggy button~~~I have no time for cretins on DU.:hi:

[sb5697]

48. My feelings are really hurt.....bwaaaaa.. HARDLY!!

With such immature supporters no wonder Hillary's campaign is in disarray. Good riddance not in need of your kind anyway.

[David Zephyr]

21. Welcome to the DU, sb5697.

:hi:

[sb5697]

22. Thanks, I've been here a while but would just read for encouragement.

I thought it was time to voice some of my opinions.

[Yael]

24. Welcome to the fray!

:hi:

[sb5697]

41. Thanks, it is a jungle!

[CyberPieHole]

47. Your opinions should be treated like TREASURES...

so BURY THEM.:hi:

[beachmom]

37. Standing up to someone must be done deftly. It doesn't mean

screaming your head off. A flailing boxer isn't going to win the match. Obama's move yesterday was INGENIUS. He reached out to save the Democrats, to save the Clintons long term (their legacy, of course, of Bill's presidency and Hillary's political career). It was the smart thing to do as well as the right thing to do.

[intheozone]

27. Obama fans are turning me off! They are becoming

as bad as the right-wing nuts! Enough already with the mania over this candidate.

[sb5697]

40. Try reading all that crap from the Clinton fans or are you one of them?

[beachmom]

32. Agreed, David. People need to open their EYES. She has put

out a divide and conquer campaign as the ONLY way she can defeat Obama. If she "succeeds" in getting the nomination that way, then we can look forward to a President McCain. As it is, I am struggling to maintain my pledge that I will vote for her if she is the nominee. If MY vote is in trouble, a loyal Democrat, then what about everyone else?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. If You Are Going To Cite Statistics It Beehoves You To Cite Them Correctly

"There was a fleeting moment when Hillary Clinton had begun to get her consistent high negatives with the American people closer to 40% and down from the once over 50% which would doom any chance she might have to win the election in 2008. That fleeting moment is now gone."

Says who:


http://www.pollingreport.com/C2.htm#Hillary


"Meanwhile, every poll shows Barack Obama with favorability ratings almost up to 80%. And while I know her loyal supporters will try to gloss that over, try to diminish what that really means when it comes to elections, I know that there are some of her supporters who are cringing at what she has done in the last week."


Says who:

http://www.pollingreport.com/l-o.htm#Obama

[Essene]

42. She cries and wears pink, though... so it evens out. nt

[VotesForWomen]

45. comments like that are going to carry hillary all the way to the white house. nt

[Cha]

43. Not being "divisive" wasn't cutting it for the clintons

so they decided to bring out the knife set with the really long ones encased. That way they could dive in with two fisted knives and never look back.

Who knows what would be happening if the clintons decided on a clean campaign with only the issues? Their internal polls musta told them something about Obama that scared the shit outta both of them.:scared: :scared:

[AtomicKitten]

44. What you said.

:thumbsup: