Dan Abrams just called Obama one of today's "Losers" claiming he played that song by Jay-Z

[jenmito]

"I Got 99 Problems but a Bi*** Ain't One" which has been debunked already.

[sandnsea]

1. But it's all just an innocent media fabrication

Dan Abrams has done nothing but spew Hillary's talking points every single time I watch him.

[jenmito]

15. Yup..

and then he has Craig Crawford on, too!

[durrrty libby]

31. Craig Crawford is great

[Occam Bandage]

2. And in case anyone reading this isn't aware it was a lie,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4064438&mesg_id=4064438

[papau]

4. where is the playlist posted?

[Occam Bandage]

6. You can click on underlined blue text to be taken to a new page.

[papau]

65. played in Des Moines" is not the event being the discussed - anything on that event?

[Barack_America]

66. I'm sorry, but indeed it is.

The item was first reported as an unsourced, irresponsible story in the New York Post's gossip column, PAGE SIX

January 14, 2008 -- PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate's theme song.
As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was blaring. In it, Jay raps, "I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01142008/gossip/pagesix/hillary__barack_rap__rock_142152.htm

The videos you were watching were of that very event and clearly demonstrate that U2 and not Jay-Z was playing at the very moment that the Page Six item describes.

Here's a link to a dailykos piece that thoroughly refutes this piece of trash:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/14/135113/083

[papau]

67. Kos notes "Per the Boston Globe,Obama's standard playlist (from another event)." - its a claim that

can't be proven unless you accept the witnesses as telling the truth to the reporter - but then it is also impossible to prove that it didn't happen without tape or witnesses on the other side that you believe.

All in all - a bit of unimportant non-news either way as the candidate does not control everything in their campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

68. Um, we have tape. You can hear the music in the YouTube clips as Obama enters,

and takes the stage.

[papau]

79. It is the playlist that seems missing - but one post says they have an audio recording but it sounds

like the recording is not for the full nights worth of music -

in any case, in my opinion, it is a pointless thing to discuss - time to move on.

[Barack_America]

70. Ben Smith has also refuted

Please see the last post in this thread.

[papau]

80. no problem - but it is time to move on for me at least

[Konza]

7. Doesn't matter

It's out there. That's all they need to do. If they can get the lie out just once, they will have accomplished the goal. One or two of these "mistakes" a week and then say "oopsie, my bad".
The lie or the slime gets out there and influences voters.
I called this a while ago, having watched how Dick Morris and Karl Rove have influenced campaigns.
It's really brilliant and really really sad..

[Barack_America]

9. We can still call for his job. A "journalist" that sloppy doesn't...

deserve to be employed. It's pathetic that this is the level of integrity our nation's media now has. Pathetic.

[jenmito]

17. We should. He has no shame...

even though he calls out OTHER people's mistakes, he doesn't seem to care where the sources from HIS stories come from.

[durrrty libby]

26. Oh please. Did you call for the jobs of all the idiots distorting and sliming Hillary?

Say hello to Karma

[Barack_America]

43. Bye!

[durrrty libby]

49. Truth sucks, eh?

[Cha]

83. How would you

know?

[jenmito]

16. Thanks for the link.

:hi:

[Cha]

24. I just sent your post to dan abrams..

[e-mail]

[stillcool]

47. Thanks for providing the link!

[Cha]

50. Thank this person too :)

mth44sc (574 posts) Mon Jan-14-08 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
13. "well he slapped his email address out there
[e-mail]

Use it

Give him our vote for him as today's loser..."


That's where I got it from!~

[ellisonz]

56. Done.

[Sparkly]

51. Please send this to Media Matters!!

And snopes.

Where did this even come from? Did the Post source it at all, or give a byline to whatever article had this?

[Occam Bandage]

54. It was on their page-six "gossip" section, so no. Unsourced.

[Sparkly]

57. Unbelievable.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

[Barack_America]

59. Un-fucking-believable.

De-fucking-spicable.

We've go to do something about this. Is anyone up for writing a form letter? I'm so pissed at this point that I wouldn't trust myself.

I put a bunch of MSNBC contact info up and also a link to where dailykos refuted it as well.

That stuff is below.

[Barack_America]

3. Start the e-mail campaign. That is inexcusable.

These so-called "journalists" must be taken to task.

[ecstatic]

5. After he displayed so much "concern" about the media fabricated war

between Obama and Clinton... How disappointing.

[MH1]

8. Un-frickin-believable, isn't it.

:banghead:

[jenmito]

18. Exactly. n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

30. I didn't like the way Abrams handled that segment

First he blamed the media for taking things out of context regarding the so-called race war between Obama and Clinton because he said the media wanted to create conflict. Presumably, conflict is good for ratings, because the media want to stage a boxing match.

But then Abrams refused to hear about any other incidents where the media pushed and inflated stories in order to create conflict and heighten drama. He refused to allow any commentary on the accusations regarding Obama's drug use or the statements about his alleged Muslim ties.

If Abrams thinks the race-baiting is all about creating conflict and drama by the media, then why does he limit it to a discussion of just race? By focusing entirely on just the race-baiting and not the other stories sensationalized by the media in this campaign, he himself is making race a big story. He's part of the problem and not the solution.

[durrrty libby]

32. He deserves an award for that segment. He is a truth teller.

[jenmito]

37. Good summary.

I agree. :hi:

[Thrill]

10. Yeah Abrams because a NYPOST gossip column is a reliable source for info

and these idiots rag on FAUX News

[Pirate Smile]

11. Somebody just posted their phone number - call and complain.

Pathetic after he has been talking about made-up media crap.

NBC/MSNBC: 212-664-4444

[jenmito]

20. Thanks!

Will do. :hi:

[Mojorabbit]

12. Does anyone have an email addy

for him?

[mth44sc]

13. well he slapped his email address out there

[e-mail]

Use it

Give him our vote for him as today's loser...

[Konza]

14. Don't worry

trust me. There will be another "acccident" before Friday.
Got to get it in the news cycle before the caucus.
I'm thinking another "oops" misstatement/"Gosh, you didn't understand what I meant" around Thursday afternoon or Friday morning.
These things have a shelf life of about 48hours, if we are going by the old Dick Morris playbook.

[jenmito]

21. I hope he gets a chance to debunk all the lies by being asked about them at the debate.

That can put an end to the lies.

[Konza]

29. Ahh, there's the rub

By Obama responding and debunking them Team Clinton has accomplished their goal: Get Obama off message.

They can't beat him on Change, Hope, etc so they have to knock him off his game, and drive the poltical discourse down. So mini-attacks here and there will leave him fending off all these little things, by the time he's squelched one- another is out there!

If he engages it he will spend precious time chasing down each and every one of 'em.
If he doesn't respond then he is being pinpricked to death with little lies, "accidents", misstatements, and "oopsies" played on the news every night.

Hillary only has about 2-3 weeks to win this thing and he is too likeable at this point. Sorry "unvetted" in Clintonspeak.
And what did we learn from Dick Morris/Karl Rove style politics?
It's not about how much the voters like you, it's about how much they dislike the other guy.
So drive the opponent down. Don't get busted doing this, but drop the other person's favorables down as fast as you can. Hit them with a few true things, then a few outright lies, then a few more true things. After a few weeks no one will know the difference, and no one will be able to keep up.

[jenmito]

36. Not if it's asked of him at the debate. n/t

[Konza]

39. But then the campaign

becomes about who is "slinging mud", etc.
It moves off of issues like the economy, the war in Iraq, health care, changing politics in America. Issues were Obama was actually winning. It devolves into a he said/she said debate about who said what/when, with John Edwards off in a corner reminding people that, yes, he does in fact exist.

When people are talking about the issues Obama does fine.
But by shifting the discourse away from issues and onto race, Team Clinton has turned Obama the "Change Candidate" into the "Black Candidate".

And they were able to do this with just a few "accidents" and the 3-pt. assist goes to the media, which has been played like a fiddle once again.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. Anyone see this? MSNBC linking directly to Hillary Clinton's campaign

This may be no big deal. But if you click on the link below, it takes you to an MSNBC front page story about Hillary Clinton's interview yesterday on Meet The Press.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

If you click on her name at the head of the article beneath the date, "Sen. Hillary Clinton", it takes you directly to her website, where you are asked to give a donation to her campaign.

Is this normal? Do all the news stories about a candidate feature their name in bold at the head of an article with a link to their campaign? Maybe they do for all I know. I'm not accusing MSNBC of playing favorites, if this is customary. And I'm not blaming Hillary Clinton's campaign, but possibly MSNBC instead. I don't think I've ever seen this before with other candidates and the news stories about them. But I could be wrong.

[MH1]

22. To be fair, I've seen other media do this.

I saw an article in MSM today somewhere that linked to barackobama.com.

The Dan Abrams nonsense is a real problem, though.

[jenmito]

23. I saw the thread about it and said maybe it was a pre-condition to her going on MTP.

But who knows if it's usual or not. I wish I knew...

[durrrty libby]

25. Oh well Obama. You let the distortions fester and stew.

Now Karma is paying you a visit

[jenmito]

27. What distortions?

[AX10]

28. Yes it is.

[jenmito]

34. What distortions?

[jackson_dem]

33. Yes indeed

[jenmito]

35. What distortions?

[jackson_dem]

38. The whole week of "the Clintons are racist!!!" distortions

[Occam Bandage]

40. Which were not from the Obama campaign.

[jackson_dem]

41. durrty libby didn't say that. libby pointed out Obama let the distortions fester all week

[Occam Bandage]

42. I just think it's helpful to remind people Obama had no part in this disgusting affair.

[durrrty libby]

45. Oh but Obama let his co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr come out

and represent him. Obama was complicit in the media distortions... So Helloooo Karma

Just in case you missed it

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=83084&mesg_id=83084

[Occam Bandage]

46. Because politicians never go off-script to further their own agendas, right? Besides, JJJ

didn't play the race card.

[durrrty libby]

48. "didn't play the race card."

:rofl: :rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

53. Seriously. How did JJJ play the race card? I've never gotten a straight answer.

Best I've gotten is, "Oh, um, he mentioned Katrina." If mentioning the greatest human tragedy in recent memory mean you're playing the race card, then the Democratic party has over the last few years played thousands of hands of race-card poker.

[durrrty libby]

58. He said we are still analyzing Mrs Clinton's tears and she never cried over Katrina

And that is just one sentence

There were no tears
They're analyzing them? wtf

How would he know if she did or did not have tears over Katrina?

Invoking Katrina was his way of doing his version of Kanye West

The whole thing was a disgusting mess.

This is the condensed version. Watch the video. I gave you the link

[Occam Bandage]

60. So mentioning Katrina is now playing the race card?

If I were to think of a massive American human tragedy worth crying over, Katrina would be the first I would think of. He said her tears were phony, and that was stupid (and off-message). But the race card? You're really, really stretching there.

Are all mentions of Katrina an invocation of Kanye West?

[Barack_America]

61. You're participating in an argument you can't win...

Because this person is illogical. I said "buh bye" to this person a while ago.

Carry on if you like, but just don't let them get to you. It's not worth it.

[durrrty libby]

62. What did Katrina have to do with Senator Clinton's voice cracking?

Not a thing

Sorry you are acting so dense, but that has been par for the course with BO supporters this week

Dan Abrams nailed it.

[Occam Bandage]

63. I agree. His attack on her emotional moment was both offensive and politically boneheaded. But,

not "playing the race card."

[durrrty libby]

72. yes it was, but if you can't figure that out, I can't help you. later

[Occam Bandage]

74. Somehow, they never get past "Uh...well, there's Katrina, and so...um..."

[durrrty libby]

76. Nah,can't help the intentionally dense

[zulchzulu]

64. I wouldn't expect a Hillary supporter to be a friend of the truth

It must be fun watching people lie and know they are lying and somehow get your jollies off the fact you know they are lying.

Weird shit.

[cali]

82. remind me to gloat and post every little bad thing

that happens to Hillary instead of defending her as I have over and over again. Fuck that. And you're the reason why, sweetie. I think I'll post a segment from Bedell Smith's new book and dedicate it you.

Or not. Because I'd hate, hate, hate to be remotely as tacky as you are.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Just another talking head trying to render himself relevant, badly.

[Barack_America]

52. dailykos has refuted this as well....LINK!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/14/135113/083

We need to make them retract this an offer an enormous apology!

[Barack_America]

55. MSNBC CONTACT INFO!

Had enough? Contact MSNBC to tell them what you think.

Mr. Phil Griffin,
Senior Vice President, News
NBC Television Network
30 Rockefeller Plz
New York, NY 10112
[e-mail]

Steve Capus,
President, NBC News
[e-mail]

MSNBC
[e-mail]
MSNBC/Microsoft-NBC
30 Rockefeller Plz
3rd Fl
New York, NY 10112
[phone]

[Barack_America]

69. This was also refuted by Ben Smith

Obama's soundtrack

So I've now spent way too much of my morning trying to report out the New York Post's item that Obama had sexist entrance music:

As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was blaring. In it, Jay raps, "I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one."

It's a provocative scene. But I can't find any evidence that it happened, though it does seem to have been the subject of chatter among staffers of both campaigns.

According both to the Obama campaign and my sources out there, Obama only attended one "victory party" in Des Moines that night -- at which he entered to a U2 song. He His supporters -- though not the candidate -- then then went to the Des Moines restaurant Centro, where nobody's ever heard hip-hop, and didn't that night. There was also a music-free victory conference call with Obama.

But if anybody actually heard this...let me know.

And less, er, speculatively, Crain's reports that he has the bulk of hip-hop support.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Obamas_soundtrack.html

[AGirl]

71. Elizabeth on the View mentioned this too.

[Barack_America]

73. Well, I guess that I'm going to have a really busy day tomorrow.

This HAS to be corrected and I'll do everything I can to see that it is.

Off to find contact information on ABC

[Barack_America]

75. Blogger at the event claims the song was NOT played. Has audio to prove it.

From Slog
http://www.slog.thestranger.com/

2008 Music for Obama?
Posted by Eli Sanders on January 14 at 11:05 AM


Remember back in December, when Barack Obama came to Seattle and held an event at Showbox SoDo is which the Dusty 45s and Brad played? And remember how Eric Grandy and I had a short discussion about how Blue Scholars would have been a better pick for the event, but how they might not have been Obama’s first choice for political reasons? (Of course you don’t. I barely remember. Basically, we were talking about the razor’s edge a black candidate has to balance on when selecting rap music for campaign appearances.)

Anyway, check this New York Post item out:

January 14, 2008 — PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate’s theme song.
As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems” was blaring. In it, Jay raps, “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.”
Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.
Which, by the way, does not mean it’s true. The indispensable Ben Smith can’t confirm this playing of Jay-Z actually happened.

I was there at Obama’s victory rally in Des Moines. And while I can’t say I would have recognized “99 Problems” if I’d heard it, I can say that my ears definitely would have perked up if I’d heard lyrics like “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one” playing during Obama’s entrance. I know Obama’s been entering and exiting to U2 lately, and I’m quite sure he either exited or entered to a U2 song that night. But I’ll cue up my digital audio recording of that speech and see if I can catch any previously-unnoticed Jay-Z…

UPDATE: My digital audio recording has Obama entering his victory rally in Des Moines to U2’s “City of Blinding Lights” and exiting to Stevie Wonder’s “Signed, Sealed, Delivered.” You can listen to it here.

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Link to audio:
http://www.elisanders.net/blog/

(I don't know how many of you have heard the song, but you CANNOT miss that line "I've got 99 problem...". He repeats it at least 99 times.)

[robbedvoter]

77. Just as obvious a lie as Hillary's boos at MLK event. Now you get it? WE"RE BEING PLAYED!

All of us. By MSM! that's why the candidates called truce.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4070680

[flpoljunkie]

78. Abrams is the "loser." Am hoping Rachel Maddow will br given his time slot. Let him manage MSNBC--

rathern than host a show!

[goldcanyonaz]

81. People actually watch his show? He's an everyday "loser" to me.