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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:56 AM
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Think it's time for only the big three Dems to debate...
Of all the candidates, Dennis Kucinich probably mirrors my own political views, but with that, I think it's time for only HRC, Obama and Edwards to remain in the debates.

It's getting to be crunch time and we now need to start focusing on the general election and we all know that of those that remain, Kucinich isn't going to be nominee.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:58 AM
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1. These kinds of posts just never get old.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:59 AM
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2. I think we should have 3 - BO v JE, BO v HRC, and HRC v JE in REAL debates.
The TV shows aren't debates at all.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 AM
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9. Your right the debates on MSNBC are
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 AM by sallyseven
about timmy boy and brian whine. I hate them, the debates that is. It only about how timmy is a crack interviewer. Cracked is more like it. Brian still doesn't know what is going on.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:38 AM
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11. Fuck that. In real one-on-one debates on issues,
Dennis would beat any of them.

But then, you aren't interested in hearing from real progressives.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:45 AM
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12. Yeah... and his debate performances so far really prove that...
I'm now only interested in hearing from people who might be our nominee.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:44 PM
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14. You mean the debates where he gets 3 minutes to speak and
Hillary gets 19?

That really gets his message out.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:26 PM
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16. Do you know me?
No, you don't, so don't try to tell me or others what I believe in or not. Go back and re-read my OP - in it I clearly state of all the candidates, my own politics most resemble DK's. How much clearer can that be?


However, I know he does not have a chance to win for a variety of reasons and it's time for the remaining electable, truest progressive to receive more time to to become known to the voters.

DK has become a side show and it's not helping. The other three just use him as a prop for the far left - in other words, they allow him to be the kook in the room and it allows him to be marginalized as the crazy uncle in the attic.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:00 AM
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3. DK SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE HAS TO REMAIN UP FRONT!!
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:00 AM
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4. I disagree.
What kind of country are we
when we refuse to let a valid
candidate be heard? :shrug:
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:00 AM
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5. are you kidding?
It's crunch time? Two states have had primaries, and now it's crunch time? Bugger that. Gee, as soon as one of the candidates has had more victories than any other, how about they just forget about debates and new primaries, and we let the media crown our new god emperor?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:03 AM
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6. The logic is absent.
Most of us haven't voted in the primary yet. Stop trying to disenfranchise us.

When the primaries are OVER, we can focus on the general election. Once we are focused on the general election, then we no longer need democrats to debate each other at all.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:22 AM
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7. You mean the presence of ONE extra debater is too much of a distraction?
come on now, that doesn't add up
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:31 AM
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8. I disagree..let him debate.
and I say that as no great Kucinich supporter. He's more than earned the right to participate in that debate.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 AM
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10. in other words, shut out the only candidate
whose stands are very different from the rest. Why let the majority of states who haven't voted yet have a chance to hear his ideas? Oh yeah. He looks funny. He's seen a UFO. Make fun of him, dismiss him--and in the process, dismiss universal not for profit health care, getting out of NAFTA and the WTO.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:54 AM
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13. Since he has been so repeatedly marginalized...
what makes you believe that he'd have nothing to contribute?

OBVIOUSLY, Hillary, John and Barak do not want him to debate, since he tends to make them look like the RNC-compliant, bought-and-paid-for corporatitsts they are.

Just as OBVIOUSLY, the M$M has a stake in keeping his fiscally responsible, media deregulation-opposing, peace-mongering, constitution-upholding, impeachment-bill-writing ass off the screen...

Whom do you trust? Who CAN you trust?

I am of the opinion that his presence serves a couple of useful purposes - not the least of which is to let the M$M know that they cannot keep changing the rules and discriminating against Democratic candidates...

If it can happen to Kooch, who else can it happen to?
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:51 PM
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15. Yes, because three is a much smaller number than four...
...how can we ever expect to get a meaningful debate with only TWO hours and a full FOUR candidates?????

Yes, because it's "crunch time" and we don't want to be distracted by actual issues or anything.

Yes, because it's such a drag when Kucinich (or anyone else) calls the top three on their history of voting for the invasion of Iraq and voting for funding the continuing occupation.

Yes, because it would be silly to require NBC to honor its INVITATION to Kucinich to participate.

Yes, because we know Kucinich won't be the nominee -- same as we "knew" Clinton's campaign was dead after Iowa. Er, yeah, sure thing. Same as everyone "knew" that McCain's campaign was dead as a doornail, several months ago.

Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we let all the candidates debate -- or have clear, before-the-fact criteria of what they have to do to earn a slot. After that, why don't we let the voters make their decisions.

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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:47 PM
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17. Let Dennis "Shake It Up" ! Only helps other 3!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:49 PM
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18. Hell, I think we should kick Hillary out of the debates
If it were Kucinich, Edwards, and Obama, at least two of the three candidates would be discussing REAL issues.
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