What the Hell?? The news says HRC is the only Demo in MI?

[navarth]

I just heard it. I'm listening to Thom Hartmann online and the news lady Rita Foley just said HRC is the only Democrat on the ballot in Michigan. WHAT THE FUCK? This is so goddamned wrong. I voted this morning. The ballot had Clinton, Kucinich, Gravel, Dodd, and undecided.

This is nothing short of election tampering!! WTF!!??

We need to do something about this, this is horse shit!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. Because The MI Dem Party Is Not Being Awarded Any Delegates

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[DangerDave921]

2. Keep your mouth shut

Nothing to see here. Move along. You didn't see anything. :)

[babylonsister]

3. Can you call the show and tell them they're fulla poop? Maybe

they haven't actually seen a ballot.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Fetch me a beer while you're out whining.

[navarth]

9. sure. what kind of beer would you like?

and while we're at it, are you telling me that this is ok with you? really?

just trying to determing if I should piss in the beer

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Coors light, in cans please. No pissing in the beer, please. How them Lions doing?

Former Michigan resident here, we left before the tumbleweed blew through the state.

[navarth]

13. oh no kidding?

whereabouts in Mich?

The Lions are getting better, I'm liking their direction. The Bobby Layne curse is almost over.

Coors beer sucks, but ok.

how about answering my question? is this ok with you? and maybe, how would you like it if it was happening to your candidate? fairness, you know...

the pee question is still undecided

[goldcanyonaz]

17. Royal Oak, and still own property there. Michigan shouldn't have been punished....

And, ALL candidates should have been on the ballots. Regardless of whomever you support, Michigan was the one state that needed to be heard in this election cycle.

Where are you from?

:hi:

[navarth]

19. oh so now you want to be nice?

thank you.

Detroit.

you still haven't answered my question about that news item.

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Oh, I thought I did, Michigan should NOT have been punished for moving their date up.

I think it's ridiculous that the one state that needed to be heard doesn't have all the candidates on the ballot.

Where in Detroit? West side, East side?

We had to leave the state, because I'm a systems administrator and my husband is an Electrical engineer.

[navarth]

25. You're certainly entitled to that opinion,

and seeing you express that opinion, I would never reply with a nasty comment about 'whining'.

That was incredibly rude. Non-constructive. Troll-like. VERY disappointing to sat the least.


I don't mind if you're enthusiastic about Hillary. I prefer to keep the discussion on a civil basis.


You STILL haven't answered my question. Shall I conclude that you think it's fine as long as it favors Senator Clinton? Enlighten me, please.

[goldcanyonaz]

26. So, you're not gonna get me any beer? WHAH!!

[navarth]

28. ok sister

have it your way.

might have been friends.

[ieoeja]

38. You need to re-read the OP. But I will explain.

The OP does not complain about Obama and Edwards not being on the ballot. The OP complains about Thom Hartmann claiming Hillary is "the only Democrat" on the ballot when Kucinich, Gravel and Dodd are all on the ballot as well.

Now, do you agree with the OP's complaint about Thom Hartmann?

[navarth]

40. OP?

Sorry, I don't know what OP is, feel free to edify me, thanks in advance.

If you look again at my original comment (please), I was not complaining about Thom. Never. I'm a huge fan of Thom.

It's the news organization that does the news on the breaks. Thom has nothing to do with that. I never said Thom was doing it. Someone called into his show and told him about it while I was listening and he was apalled.

Ok? Anything else that I need to clear up? Sorry for any confusion. Damn, I thought I was clear, guess I wasn't.

[ieoeja]

43. Close enough for gov't work.

OP means "original post" or "original poster".

[navarth]

44. Original Poster?? Um.....

That would be me. Ok, I know now.

I guess there's no more question about whether I understand what the OP meant? :)

Seriously though, thanks for the info.

[Tellurian]

24. The rest of the candidates removed their names from the ballot..

Hillary is the only one who didn't listen to the DNC..

[navarth]

27. well the ballot had more than Senator Clinton on it

Kucinich, Dodd, Gravel, undecided. It's my understanding that a lot of people were going 'undecided'.

[Tellurian]

29. What part of "they removed their names from the ballot" don't you understand?

The DNC punished the Michigan delegates by asking DEMS to remove their names...Most complied.. Hillary DID NOT!

[navarth]

31. I've got no argument with whether

anybody removed themselves from the ballot. I'm merely pointing out that she wasn't the only one on the ballot. The radio news said she was the only one. That upset me, seemed dishonest.

Is it necessary to yell?

[Tellurian]

35. You should have clarified what you meant from the start..

apparently, the broadcaster wasn't aware or chose to create tumult because of Hillary as the lone candidate on the ballot.
My apologies, if you thought I was yelling. I never yell... When I'm angry...I whisper!

[navarth]

39. Thank you.

At last, somebody acting civil. So I didn't make myself clear? Damn. Thought I did.

[Kucinich4America]

36. Wrong.

Edwards, Biden, and Richardson requested that their names be removed, and they were. Kucinich did also, but his paperwork was too late for the deadline. Probably something similar with Dodd, but he's out of the running anyway. Hillary is the only one who openly defied the DNC, since the whole point of moving the primary was so DLC Jennifer Granholm could guarantee Hillary a win.

[Tellurian]

42. It's was by order of the DNC not the DLC, the other Dems complied!

more info here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4075038

[indimuse]

16. lol...

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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. This is how the MSM operates

Watch. They have been ignoring Gravel and Kucinich, and now they've started on Edwards. They are spending time boosting the candidacy of as-yet undeclared independent candidate Bloomberg. Soon they'll decide which Dem is the one that will most likely not rock their corporate boat, and then you'll only hear about them.

[sunonmars]

6. She should have said.....

The only democrat on that ballot with a hope in hell of winning. Kucinich sure as hell wont be winning it.

[Kucinich4America]

7. Has Gravel dropped out, or not?

I know Dodd has, so voting for him really wouldn't accomplish anything.

I'm hoping that all the Michigan residents voting for Kucinich who I have heard on Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann today represent a majority of Michigan voters. So far, nobody has admitted voting for Hillary, and I've seen one "uncommitted" here on DU.

[Debi]

8. Gravel and Dodd dropped out and Kucinich tried to get his name off the Ballot

:shrug: maybe that's what she meant?

[Truth2Tell]

11. Gravel didn't drop out. That was a false report. nt

[Debi]

14. Thank you! nt

[wyldwolf]

10. yep! The Thom Hartmann show is in cahoots with Hillary.

[navarth]

18. yeah sure

it wasn't Thom. a caller mentioned it and he was appalled. it's the news organization that does the news on the breaks.

look, I've got a sense of humor too. but this seemed pretty egregious to me.

[Kucinich4America]

37. No, Thom is clearly an Edwards supporter.

Officially he hasn't endorsed anybody, but it's obvious if you're a regular listener whom he prefers as a candidate.

[knitter4democracy]

15. Was Dodd on there? I don't remember seeing him.

Of course, I found Kucinich right away and filled that in and left.

[navarth]

20. yep

would have been harder to make the decision if Chris hadn't dropped out.

[AGirl]

21. I am voting for Kucinich or Gravel

That's my only 2 choices

[pampango]

22. You may not like it, but you have to admit she is pretty smart the way

things worked out.

[JackORoses]

30. They don't want Hillary losing to Uncommitted

They've had Granholm running all around trying to keep folks from voting Uncommitted.

[peaches2003]

32. NO Dem delegates will be awarded

The Dem primary means nothing in MI. When you vote in any other state's primary, you really are voting for a candidate's delegates to the convention where the delegates actually do the voting for a candidate. With no delegates being awarded in MI, voting for any of these Dems is a waste of your time and your vote. You should have asked for a Repug ballot, which you can do in MI, and made a difference in that primary which is awarding delegates. Move On was asking Dems to vote in the Repug primary and vote for Romney in order to help knock McCain out, thinking McCain will be a stronger candidate in the general against a Dem.

[sufrommich]

33. All the major News channels here in Detroit have made it

very clear that there are other candidates on the Democratic ballot,talk radio has been explaining it all day,including African American stations explaining how to vote uncommitted if your choice is Obama.If you live in Michigan,surely you've heard this. One newscaster on a national radio show is not "proof" of election tampering.

[navarth]

41. can't get those at work.

I just listen to Thom Hartmann or The Young Turks, maybe back issues of Laura Flanders. Glad to hear the word is getting out on the TV. Thanks for telling me.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. Don't be daft

Kucinich, Gravel and Dodd are also on the ballot.