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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:18 AM
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Edwards supporter here, but even I am getting Obama Fever
I have supported John Edwards from the beginning, and still do, but I have to admit that I am becoming increasingly excited about the candidacy of Barack Obama.

Endorsement from two generations of Kennedys is a small part of it, but the main reason I feel excitement is because I realized lately that an Obama Presidency would be a strong antidote to the two terms of the Criminal Bush Regime, not only for Americans but also for how the world views us. With Obama I see progress, even if not perfect progress on some issues, but still, progress. I can see Congress working with a President like Obama for the simple reason that all the world's eyes will be on us, and the natural pressure from that will lead to great results in the first year of this presidency.

Because Obama inspires others as greatly as he does, he will bring to his administration the best of the best of talent in our country, who will be chomping at the bit to do whatever it takes to restore our nation's greatness from the ruins of the Bush years.

Even though I feel Edwards is better prepared for the Presidency and would likely fight harder for progressive results, at the same time, Obama should be poised to deliver much of the same. Like Edwards, I see in Obama a person who truly cares about their country over their own self-interest. And increasingly, I am noticing the fighter in Obama, and that is a good thing.

In the final analysis, while I would like to see Edwards stay in it and win it, if he has to pledge his delegates away at the convention, I sincerely hope they all go to Obama, who is clearly the next most deserving candidate. Barack Obama would make a fine President - a President we would *all* be proud of.

Go Edwards! GObama!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:22 AM
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1. Thanks for this upbeat post; it was a pleasure to read.
I also think Obama would make a wonderful president=GOBAMA!
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:39 AM
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4. Thank you for this post
I totally agree with you. I respect Edwards and Obama and truly would be okay if either won the nomination.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:32 PM
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25. fever
As an Edward's supporter myself, I agree completely. And there is also this: if the rest of the world sees us elect a man who was against this insane war from the beginning, that will go a long way toward restoring some respect for us. Not to mention a black man with an Islamic-sounding name. These may seem like more symbolic issues than substantive ones, but symbols matter; a lot.

I wish the highly partisan contributors here would take a step back from their (understandable) commitments, and look at the big picture. No one ever gets everything they want in a candidate or an election. It is one thing to show strong support for a candidate who one admires. It is another to blind yourself to another's strengths, and to put your own needs above that of the country and the world.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:32 AM
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2. I went to a John Edwards rally yesterday.
As Edwards was leaving, my husband asked him "Will you make a promise not to pardon bush?" Edwards immediately said yes, no hesitation, no quibbling.

Would Barack Obama do the same thing, would Hillary Clinton? If you are planning on attending a rally with Obama or Clinton, would you please ask them?

Obama touts the beauty of being bipartisan. He wants everyone to get along. If this weak-kneed Congress does hold the bush accountable for his criminal acts, I wonder if Obama would pardon him.

Obama wants to get along and bring the country together. I suspect republicans think the best way for him to do that is to allow the bushes to quietly slither out of the WH dragging the billions they stole, ignoring the dead bodies they piled up, and betting on the next guy to let them off the hook.

This is why so many republicans are praising Obama. They think he will forgive and forget.

I just can't get the image of that 12 year old Iraqi boy out of my mind. He was being held as a prisoner at Abu Ghraib and was raped repeatedly while his screams were recorded and eventually shown to some in Congress (several Congressmen spoked about how harrowing those videos were). Would that boy want us to forgive and forget?????
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:39 AM
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3. Republicans praise Obama because of his moral demeanor...
but I bet you dollars to donuts they will greatly dislike his policies, and will be ready to vehemently oppose him in the general election.

Also, I have seen no evidence that Obama intends to let anyone off the hook. It's all speculation.

Last, I think a newly minted Democratic Congress would spend most of the next session concentrating on fixing health care, not on punishing a previous president. Congress will have too many issues from the Bush era to fix, and this process will effectively put Bush on trial for the history books. I am ok with that.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:57 AM
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10. C'mon now. That newly minted Dem Congress hasn't done SQUAT. They aren't going to do anything unless
someone lights a fire under their a$$e$! :puke:


IF elected-and that's a BIG IF-Obama is gonna play nice like the so called "uniter" that he is. :eyes:


Meanwhile, If elected, Edwards is gonna kick a$$!!! :kick:


And that scares the hell out of a LOT of people.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:00 AM
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11. They haven't done "jack squat" because there is a GOP president...
and the GOP can stop legislation from getting anywhere in the Senate. Surely, you know this.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:19 AM
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14. NO-they are a bunch of wimps ki$$ing corporate a$$!
:puke:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:59 PM
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19. There IS a choice to impeachment that THEY have! But they don't follow it!
You put all of those Rethugs and Blue Dog Democrats asses on the line. Will they vote to support criminals staying in office or not! I don't think the electorate will like it if they do. That's what they are trying to avoid by not even having impeachment, not because they don't think they can achieve it. It typifies the do nothing aspect of this congress. They are avoiding accountability to their voters, because they are afraid to vote for the voters and counter to the corporate lobbyists who control this country now.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:10 PM
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21. Re SQUAT: Here's some of what Congress did. Of course, the media didn't report any of it.
Less than six months into the 110th Congress, Senate Democrats have made significant strides in passing important, common-sense legislation that reflect the priorities of the American people. After nearly a decade of Republican control, Democrats have worked to restore fiscal responsibility in Washington and pass key legislation on Iraq policy, homeland security, troop readiness, veterans' health care, economic competitiveness, ethics reform, the minimum wage, health care, education, energy independence, stem cell research, and Gulf Coast revitalization. Democrats are committed to proving that elections do matter, and we will continue to pursue the international and domestic priorities that matter most to the American people. Together, we will take the country in a new direction.

Under Democratic leadership, the Senate has passed the following measures:

* A fiscally responsible budget: a budget that restores fiscal discipline and will lead to a surplus, while cutting middle-class taxes and funding foreign anddomestic priorities, including education, children's health care, veterans, and our troops;

* 9/11 Commission recommendations: a bill to make America more secure by giving our first responders the tools they need to keep us safe; making it more difficult for potential terrorists to travel into our country; advancing efforts to secure our rail, air, and mass transit systems; and improving intelligence and information sharing between state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies;

* Homeland security funding: legislation that provides $1.05 billion in funding necessary to address dangerous border and transit vulnerabilities left open by the Bush Administration since 9/11;

* Support for our troops: legislation funding the President's requests for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, including $1.2 billion in additional funding for a total of $3 billion to provide our troops in Iraq with mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles;

* Health care for wounded soldiers and veterans: legislation that provides $3 billion in supplemental funds for military health care and $1.8 billion in supplemental funds to the Department of Veterans' Affairs to accommodate the increasing number of new veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan;

* Benchmarks for Iraq: legislation that conditions U.S. economic support for the Iraqi government on its progress toward achieving key political benchmarks;

* National Guard readiness: legislation to provide an additional $1 billion to President Bush's request for National Guard equipment needs to remedy equipment shortfalls that are compromising the quality of force training and limiting the Guard's ability to quickly respond to natural and potential man-made disasters at home;

* Continuing Resolution: legislation providing funding for the nine remaining appropriations bills that were not completed by Republicans in the 109th Congress. In passing this legislation, Democrats stayed within budget limits, eliminated earmarks, and increased funding for national priorities, including veterans' medical care, Pell grants, elementary and secondary education, the National Institutes of Health, state and local law enforcement, and global AIDS prevention and treatment;
* Energy Bill: landmark legislation to increase our energy independence, strengthen the economy, reduce global warming emissions, and protect American consumers.

* American competitiveness: bipartisan legislation to increase the nation's investment in basic and innovative research; strengthen educational opportunities in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics from elementary through graduate school; and develop the infrastructure needed to enhance innovation and competitiveness in the United States;

* Ethics and lobbying reform: a bill to slow the "revolving door" for former Senators and staff, strengthen limits on gifts and travel, expand lobbying disclosure requirements, establish a study commission on ethics and lobbying, prohibit pensions for Members of Congress convicted of certain crimes, and implement reform procedures relating to earmarks and conference reports;

* Minimum wage: legislation to increase the federal minimum wage to $7.25/hour;

* Middle-class tax cuts: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for permanent extensions of the Marriage Penalty tax relief, the $1,000 refundable Child Tax Credit; the 10 percent income tax bracket; the adoption tax credit; the dependent care tax credit; U.S. soldiers' combat pay for the earned income tax credit; and reform of the estate tax to protect small businesses and family farms;

* AMT patch: the 2008 Budget Resolution ensures that the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative minimum tax will not increase in 2007, giving Congress and the Administration time to come up with a permanent solution;

* Head Start: a bill to expand eligibility for the Head Start program;
* Stem cell research: legislation to expand the number of human embryonic stem cells eligible for federally-funded research;

* Children's health coverage: the 2008 Budget Resolution and the 2007 Emergency Supplemental provide needed funds for the Children's Health Insurance Program;

* FDA reauthorization: a bill to greatly improve the Food and Drug Administration's oversight of drug safety;

* Rebuilding the Gulf Coast: legislation providing a total of $6.4 billion for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, including $1.3 billion to complete levee and drainage repairs, $50 million to reduce violent crime in Gulf Coast states, and $110 million to repair the seafood and fisheries industries, which is vital to the region's economic recovery;

* Army Corps reform: legislation to ensure that the Army Corps of Engineers does its job more effectively and soundly;

* Disaster assistance for small businesses: legislation providing recovery assistance for small businesses impacted by the 2005 hurricanes in an effort to revitalize the Gulf Coast economy;

* U.S. Attorney appointments: legislation ending the indefinite appointment of interim U.S. Attorneys and restoring the role of the Senate in the selection of U.S. Attorneys;

* Tax relief for small businesses: legislation providing a range of deficit-neutral tax incentives designed to help small businesses grow;

* Education and training: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for the largest increase since 2002 in funding for elementary and secondary programs; and

* Energy and environment programs: legislation increasing funding for basic science research at the Department of Energy and for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.
http://www.apostille.us/news/democratic_accomplishments_in_the_110th_congress_leading_america_in_a_new_direction.shtml

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000 votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison, the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in 1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn't on pace to break any records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives.
Approximately "1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes," noted a JulyMcClatchy report. "If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes."
It's interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record "for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II."

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:05 AM
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12. I am NOT
If this nation allows the second bush to get away with another set of thefts and criminal acts, they will be back stronger and with more money. Bill Clinton allowed investigation into bush sr to slowly dissolve away. Look they came back stronger and with more tricks. Every time these guys get away with an illegal and immoral act, they come back for more.

I don't care if the next Congress is busy. If the bushes are allowed to get off with torture, theft and grand scale corruption, yet again, they will just be a bigger problem down the road for another Congress to fix.

We need to stop them before they grow much bigger.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:09 AM
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13. If my choice is between Universal Health Care and "getting" Bush...
I choose Universal Health Care.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:30 PM
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18. It's not about "getting" the bushes
or vengeance.

It's about justice, not leaving behind another problem (like the budget and trade deficits) for our children or grandchildren to take care of. If you let a criminal off scott free what incentive does that criminal have to stop doing criminal acts?

Without holding these criminals accountable now, or in the near future, we are leaving the problem for future generations to deal with. Just like Ford, who pardoned Nixon and his bunch, Bush Sr, who let Reagan and his cronies go without accounting for their actions, and Clinton, who let the Bush Sr criminals ride off into the sunset, the problem will come back in another form for another generation to deal with.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:38 PM
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27. You need to start your own post on THAT
With details.

You are making one of my points-Obama has many nice qualities-however he thinks he can work with those that would just as soon eat him for lunch. Good luck with that, Obama. Hillary will just compromise on everything to stay in the game. Obama I fear wil be eaten alive.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:42 PM
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28. The better and harder question you should have asked
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 03:42 PM by Big Blue Marble
is will you indict Bush and Cheney. Will you investigate their criminality?

Because so far not one of our candidates have said they would.

With no investigations and no indictments, there is no need for pardons.

It was easy for him to say he would not pardon, if no one is raising the issue of investigation.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:40 AM
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5. thanks for the positive post!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:41 AM
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6. Quick take an aspirin.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:44 AM
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7. I'm voting for Edwards in the NY primary...
...however, if he doesn't win and ends his bid, I'm also going to support Barak Obama.:thumbsup:

I admire Senator Clinton and am pleased with her representation of my home state, but, IMHO, she's the wrong person at the wrong time for the nation's highest office. The trajectory of the USA needs a dramatic realignment after 8 years of plunder and blunder - it's going to require courage and fresh ideas to change it. I have a very difficult time seeing Senator Clinton as one who will take chances. To me, she's representative of the status quo, where Senators Edwards and Obama represent a challenge to it.:thumbsup:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:51 AM
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8. You should realize that Obama has taken MILLIONS from corporations. So how will he fight for YOU?
How exactly will Obama fight for the middle class, working class and poor when he has been bought and paid for by the corporate bastards who want to own us all?!

Ignoring this fact by being blinded by hype and some kind of rock star celebrity about Obama ain't gonna make this fact go away.


Corporate control is a cancer that is eating this country from the inside out. :grr:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:56 AM
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9. This is what the DU community should be about.
Sharing ideas and information with fellow Dems.

Calm and reflective discussion of the issues.

Finding common ground based on mutual respect.

Using this as a starting point for making changes in our communities and in the world around us.

May the best candidate win, and let's all get behind the nominee when the time comes! B-)
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:59 AM
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15. How do you compare substance with 'no substance'.....
I'm an Edwards backer since 2004, and mainly because he has talked for me about working people and poverty, and all the problems that need to be tackled. He recognizes that nothing can go forward when corruption and greed rule all those Washington decisions. Obama has been about 'working with the system' that exists. Do tou believe the media wants anybody to challenge their monopoly of the networks? Or the corporation execs wnat anybody interfering with their private arrangements with congress? When the media gets all excited about Kennedy backing Obama, they make it sound like a positive thing. I have news for you. He's part of the gang that feeds into this sleaze.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:43 AM
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16. That's right.... The system that is in place is not working for
those who actually are working.... Thats why Edwards is getting my vote...
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:57 AM
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17. Obama is inspiring, Hillary's campaign (note I didn't say Hillary) AND her supporters here....
...make me sicker and sicker each and every passing day.

I actually feel sorry for Hillary to be honest. I'm not sure my growing disgust for her campaign is actually personal. I think that her husband, and her campaign advisor's have done her an immense disservice. But even if I try to separate my feelings of disgust from Hillary herself, I can help but have the feeling and the campaign that she's run.

Then you add to that Hillary supporters here, who have made some of the most venomous, disingenuous, hostile posts I've ever seen, and it leads me to be pretty during off by all things hillary. There's no difference between how hillary supporters treat non-hillary supporters and how they treat freepers. You guys act like you hate other democrats because they don't support your candidate.

Do you ever stop to think about the fact that you are dividing the party? At some point there is going to be ONE nominee. And whoever it is, Democrats and DU are going to need to unite behind that person. I don't know how you call other people horrible names and treat them like shit one day and then expect everyone to stand united the next day....?

At the same time as all of this, Obama is pretty inspiring. He is brilliant, which to me is a more important qualification than a long resume of executive experience. George Bush had plenty of executive experience before becoming president, but he was an arrogant, ignorant moron. Obama also has those abstract qualities that are hard to measure but that are extremely important. He has gravitas.

So as an Edwards supporter, the contrast between the two other candidates and their supporters is really striking. But I continue to support John Edwards. Yet, I do have my eye on a future time when John Edwards may no longer be in the race...
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:07 PM
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20. yes, the fever is catching
It feels good when you finally succumb
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:11 PM
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22. That explains why Obama people are always so positive and nondivisive.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 01:11 PM by Perry Logan
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:13 AM
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29. fever kick
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:11 PM
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23. Quick! Take something for that nasty fever.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:22 PM
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24. So you're being dazzled by bullshit and hired speechwriters? Toughen up. /nt
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:33 PM
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26. As an Edwards leaner --- I have also caught the Obama fever!
You did a good job of summing up my feeling as well.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:14 AM
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30. You know what the only prescription for fever is, don't you?
MORE COWBELL!
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