Is Hillary a victim of time and circumstance?

[kentuck]

Does it hurt her that she was in the White House for 8 years during Bill's presidency and that she was portrayed as evil by the right-wing assassins that went after her? Even though she survived to fight another day, do those scars from those battles hurt her today?

Is she negatively affected by the clarion call for change? Is she locked by circumstance in not being able to call for "change" herself? Is she considered too much of an "insider" to be part of the new game of change? Will it affect her race going forward?

[iamjoy]

1. No, Edwards Is

John Edwards is the victim of time and circumstance.

In 2003/2004, he was the fresh face, the voice of hope. But in 2004, we wanted some one experienced and statesmanlike.

For 2008, he was a little older and had a mantle of more wisdom and experience. But, by now, many people want something fresh, to hear a message of hope.

Add to that the fact that he was running against the first viable woman and the first viable African American...

[Glorfindel]

2. Yes, of course. We all are.

I think she can rise above the garbage being hurled at her, though. She has already done so, with style and grace. She's tough and smart, and though I was first a Kucinich and then an Edwards supporter, I will happily vote for Senator Clinton or Senator Obama, whichever good Democrat secures the nomination.

[fenriswolf]

3. has she offered to stop supporting the illegal war?

has she offered anything other then continued for profit health care with a promise to stop them from gouging us with a little bit of help come tax time? has she offered to fix our horrible trade policy? how about spending a little money on our infrastructure? or to create an infrastructure for a green going forward look? has she offered to get rid of no child left behind? or even mentioned cutting down the bloated trillion dollar budget of the DoD?

Oh thats right, your to busy defending the fact that she might have gotten snubbed.

[kentuck]

4. I'm just asking...

I'm not defending her record.

[leftofthedial]

5. yes.

the time is now

and the circumstance is that she works for the corporate thugs who control this country and are killing most of us.

[tyedyeto]

6. Hillary a victim?

Give me a fucking break.

She was handpicked by the Repugs in early Nov 2004 and they have been promoting her ever since.

She may, however, become their victim, when and if she is the Democratic nominee. They picked her knowing how they could damage or 'swift-boat' after she becomes 'the one'.

[madrchsod]

7. try this---does`t look good for her and the party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3163238
An Ex-President, a Mining Deal and a Big Donor - Democratic Underground

[dysfunctional press]

9. if she is the candidate, bill is going to be a big part of the smear campaign

rumour has it that rupert murdoch has been keeping tabs/a dossier on a lot of the...tail...he's been chasing. and catching.

judicial watch.org has her as number one on it's corrupt politicians of 2007 list...and obama as number 8. they also have 4 repugs on the list, and no, the top two didn't make their list. and whether or not you might want to just dismiss them as partisan hacks- they can still make plenty of hay that will get the attention of the intellectually lazy part of the american electorate(you know- the BIG part).

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

it's going to be an interesting election season...next four years...rest of our miserable lives.

[Kip Humphrey]

8. What hurts Hillary is she's a neo-liberal/con corporate globalist

Vote NO to NAFTA, NO to CAFTA, NO to SHAFTA!

[Lilith Velkor]

10. Just a bad reputation, a bad repu-tay-ay-shun.

[grantcart]

11. yes also the fact that we had

bush/clinton/bush means that the republicans will bash us with bush/clinton/bush/clinton ad naseum cleverly fighting against both clinton and bush.

By the way so is Jeb Bush. I don't think either will have a fair chance to be elected president.

[featherman]

12. Let's not be hasty... Clinton is still the odds on favorite unless Obama

miraculously wins more delegates on Tuesday. As far as tragic timing, I am hoping she fails (for other reasons I have stated around here) but I am very disappointed that the first woman with the strength and political clout to have real chance to win the presidency is standing in the way of my guy. In many ways I am sorry to be working against her.

[HughMoran]

14. I think if Obama just makes a "strong" showing on Tuesday, he will be the eventual nominee

If she can't put him away Tuesday, his momentum (even if he only gets, say 38% of the available delegates) will carry him to the nomination. Just my opinion based on my sense of each candidates momentum at this point in time.

[ShadowLiberal]

13. 2008 is simply the wrong time for her, 2004 would have been better

I think that in terms of the political landscape 2008 is just not a good year for Hillary. I mean look at what the base wants, change, what do plenty of the independents want more, change. Hillary quite simply can't offer change while being associated at the hip with everything Bill Clinton does, no matter how hard she tries she's still just a shadow Bill Clinton presidency in most people's eyes.

In 2004 her message could have worked better, she could have picked someone like Wesley Clark as her Vice President, someone viewed as strong and experienced at fighting terrorism and wars. That would help cover her base on the experience issue on the war on terror, then she could point to the at home prosperity of the Clinton years and run on that combination. It would stand more of a shot in the 2004 electorate then it would today where she can't possibly embody change.

[FrenchieCat]

15. This is what hurts Hillary.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3163238