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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:36 PM
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What are Clinton's and Obama's views on Open Government?
Do they respect the citizen enough to trust us with the truth about all the events that have gone on over the years in our names?

Or


Do they respect the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite like the Bush family?

What do you believe about their positions on this issue and why do you believe it?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:40 PM
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1. Obama
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:42 PM
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2. Obama will open the government as much as he possibly can
Barack Obama Unveils Unprecedented Plan for Open Government
http://cairns.typepad.com/blog/2007/11/barack-obama-un.html

Open government, the Internet way - Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-brownstein7jul07,0,7002313.story?coll=la-opinion-center

Obama Fulfills His Pledge for Open Government - Associated Content
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288846/obama_fulfills_his_pledge_for_open.html
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:51 PM
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9. Thanks for those links, killbotfactory.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:43 PM
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3. hahah you set em up!
Obama is incredible on this and its what drew me to him originaly.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:47 PM
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4. I understand that back up data is great.. but where is the passion and
the conviction.. Know your candidate, write about it and add the back up links.. where is the passion people..
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:49 PM
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5. Well said...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:51 PM
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7. Maybe some of us are tired of having to defend even the way
that Obama holds his fucking head. Ever thought about that.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:38 PM
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19. No, that's not good enough.. if you want me to be swayed, know your
candidate inside and out.. be able to phonebank without a script... The reason why John's people were so adult and formidable was and is because we are true progressives who have fought this fight unnoticed.. Know your candidate.. speak for him.. We didn't care about his house and hair cut and barely acknowledged it other than to say so what, they are all rich. How much do you think Obama's house cost, and Clinton's botox.. those aren't the issues.. Rise above and work. Be the calling he's asking for..
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:26 AM
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24. So, what do you think about the points raised in the op and responses?
If you don't want to support Clinton or Obama, could you tell us what Edwards position and record on this is, and why it is better than Clinton's and/or Obama's?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:41 PM
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13. That's what I'm looking for from the supporters who claim to know their candidates
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 03:42 PM by blm
and exactly HOW good for the country their candidate REALLY is.

Cuz, lets' face it - NO ISSUE gets dealt with properly BECAUSE of closed government and lack of accountability to the people.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:50 PM
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6. Obama - at the State of the Net conference
Well okay it was his representative. The Clinton camp apparently didn't send anyone.

http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/45753-1.html

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has issued a technology innovation plan embracing IT as an enabler for efficient government and for solving major challenges facing the nation, including health care, climate change, energy policy and the economy, said Obama campaign adviser Julius Genachowski. The senator also has called for establishing the position of national chief technology officer.

“If we don’t get technology policy right in the next administration, we won’t make the progress we need,” Genachowski said.


Lawrence Lessig, a leader in the open technology movement, gave Obama a strong endorsement last November:

http://lessig.org/blog/2007/11/4barack.html

Second, on the important: As you'll read, Obama has committed himself to a technology policy for government that could radically change how government works. The small part of that is simple efficiency -- the appointment with broad power of a CTO for the government, making the insanely backwards technology systems of government actually work.

But the big part of this is a commitment to making data about the government (as well as government data) publicly available in standard machine readable formats. The promise isn't just the naive promise that government websites will work better and reveal more. It is the really powerful promise to feed the data necessary for the Sunlights and the Maplights of the world to make government work better. Atomize (or RSS-ify) government data (votes, contributions, Members of Congress's calendars) and you enable the rest of us to make clear the economy of influence that is Washington.

After the debacle that is the last 7 years, the duty is upon the Democrats to be something different. I've been wildly critical of their sameness (remember "Dems to the Net: Go to hell" which earned me lots of friends in the Democratic party). I would give my left arm to be able to celebrate their difference. This man, Mr. Obama, would be that difference. He has as much support as I can give.


Hopefully the Lessig quote is enough to connect the dots for people who don't get immediately why Obama's position on technology is relevant to your question.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:53 PM
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10. What a fantastic endorsement, MH1.
This is transformational all on its own.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:12 PM
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16. It is a great endorsement. Lawrence Lessig is huge in geek world.
But I suspect you know that. ;)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:52 PM
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17. I'd heard his name before, but never connected it much politically....
this is indeed, good to hear, since I know some of you are certified geek patrol and know the issues involved like the back of your hand. heh
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:24 PM
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23. Check him out, he is actually pretty important politically
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig

Geek political stuff like privacy and copyright and net neutrality and so forth, but important stuff.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:43 PM
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14. Very good to hear this, MH1. Thank you.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:19 PM
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18. You're welcome.
:dem:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:51 PM
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8. I expect the Clintons will continue to treat the Bushes the same - Let 'em off the hook.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:04 PM
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26. Yep, that's a reasonable expectation, I think.
:dem:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:04 PM
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11. usaspending.gov
Ethics reform ending corporate junkets. The proof is in the legislation.

The entire Clinton machine has been digging into this man's life and all they've got is a strip of land next to his house. If that isn't a testament to the man's honesty and integrity, I don't know what possibly could be.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:39 PM
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20. Jointly sponsored by Obama
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006

Before someone snipes that it was sponsored by a republican, folks should remember that in 2006 republicans held the majority in Congress. Coburn's one area of decency is that he is a hawk for open government. Obama was right to partner with him on this.

Thanks for mentioning it sandnsea!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:53 PM
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21. Wellstone took that approach with Jesse Helms, too.
If he found out one positive thing about the guy, Paul would use it to reel him into supporting something Paul favored, too.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:23 PM
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22. And THAT is what bipartisanship means
Find the thing the other person tends to agree with you on - and get it done.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:55 AM
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25. Right - bipartisanship to accomplish good is vastly different than the
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:55 AM by blm
bipartisanship that protects the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite and their fascist agenda.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

We've already see HOW damaging that type of 'bipartisanship' has been and is to our democracy.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:07 PM
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12. I like Obama's position.
GIVING GOVERNMENT BACK TO THE PEOPLE

(1) SUNLIGHT BEFORE SIGNING: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the
president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Barack
Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an
opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days. In
addition to ensuring that the public has the ability to review legislation, the sunlight will
help ensure that earmarks tucked into appropriations bills are exposed. And Obama will
sign legislation in the light of day without attaching signing statements that undermine
the legislative intent.

(2) 21ST CENTURY FIRESIDE CHATS: People who care deeply about issues in Washington
but live outside the beltway rarely have the opportunity to question and interact with
government agencies. Messages are filtered through the media, and many times the hard
questions are not asked. Barack Obama will bring democracy and policy directly to the
people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national broadband town hall
meetings to discuss issues before their agencies. The Internet makes it possible to take
our leaders directly to the people. If this is possible then it should also be mandatory.

(3) RESTORE MEANING TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT: The American
people deserve to know what their government does and why. Ours is an open
government, and our ability to understand our government at work--the freedom of
information we enjoy--has been copied by other countries around the world. The
Freedom of Information Act is a pillar of our open government. Unfortunately, in recent
years our government has failed to keep the American people informed about what it was
doing and why, and it has refused to provide Americans with information they are
entitled to by law. Turning our tradition of free information upside down, the Bush
administration has instructed agencies to presume citizens are not entitled to information
unless they are willing to sue for it. Barack Obama would restore the tradition of free
information by issuing an Executive Order that information should be released unless an
agency reasonably foresees harm to a protected interest.

(4) CONDUCT REGULATORY AGENCY BUSINESS IN PUBLIC: Every day, government
agencies make decisions that impact the lives of Americans. These decisions require
public deliberation and input. But at many agencies, these deliberations are conducted
out of the public view. For example, several agencies, including the Securities &
Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission, hold public
meetings only one or two days a month. On all the other days, the commissioners and
staff members host lobbyists and lawyers in private meetings, and operate outside of the
public eye. In these private meetings, companies can make their case for the regulation
that they want. Average citizens cannot participate in this process, and consumer groups
just do not have the resources to offset the waves of corporate lobbyists that constantly
walk the halls of these agencies.

Barack Obama will require his appointees who lead the Executive Branch departments
and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so
that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet as the agencies debate and
deliberate the issues that affect American society. Videos of meetings will be archived
on the web, and the transcript will be available to the public. Obama will also require his
nominees to commit to employ all the technological tools available to allow average
citizens not just to observe, but to participate and be heard on the issues that affect their
daily lives.

(5) MAKING WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS PUBLIC: Barack Obama would amend
Executive Order 12866 to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking
between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the
public. The Obama White House would invoke its executive privilege to protect the
confidentiality of communications concerning national security and similar traditionally
sensitive matters, not to withhold information about private interests’ communication on
regulatory policy. There are communications that should be kept private because
disclosure could endanger the public. But the White House is the people’s house and the
people have a right to know who visits.

(6) RELEASING PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS: Under the Presidential Records Act,
presidential records are supposed to be released to the public 12 years after the end of a
presidential administration. In November 2001, President Bush issued an order that gave
current and former presidents and vice presidents broad authority to withhold presidential
records or delay their release indefinitely. As president, Barack Obama will nullify the
Bush order and establish procedures to ensure the timely release of presidential records.


(more...)

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/TakingBackOurGovernmentBackFinalFactSheet.pdf
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:44 PM
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15. That looks like a great start.
.
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